For those of you that dislike Bush

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Afghanistan, Partial Birth Abortion Ban...............................................................................and thats about it

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http://www.rense.com/general67/nwg.htm

Wow. This is one of the stupid things I have ever seen in my entire life.

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Yeah, so he went into Afganistan. Anyone would have done that. If we had a veto sign as President, then Congress would have just had to pass that bill twice.

[Moooooo]

*Partial Birth Abortion Ban.
*Reversing Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.
*Requiring states to conduct criminal background checks on prospective foster and adoptive parents.
*Requiring districts to let students transfer out of dangerous schools.
*Signed the Teacher Protection Act, which protects teachers from lawsuits related to student discipline.
*Increased funding for the Troops-to-Teachers program, which recruits former military personnel to become teachers.
*Passed new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.
*Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.
*Make permanent the $5,000 adoption tax credit and provide $1 billion over five years to increase the credit to $10,000.
*Signed the workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens. Id like to see this one pickup a little more steam.
* Helped to disarm Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's.
*Leadership following 9/11
*Afghanistan
*Freeing the Iraqi people from a brutal dictator.

[Emsworth]

*Partial Birth Abortion Ban.
*Reversing Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.
*Requiring states to conduct criminal background checks on prospective foster and adoptive parents.
*Requiring districts to let students transfer out of dangerous schools.

With all due respect, how are any of these constitutional? In particular, the partial birth abortion ban seems to be quite popular; yet, it very plainly and clearly violates the Constitution (Tenth Amendment).

[Jake]

Emsworth, a hint, few people care about the Constitution anymore. A host of Supreme Court rulings have proved even they don't care.

[Emsworth]

Emsworth, a hint, few people care about the Constitution anymore.

That's quite a pity. They refer to the Constitution whenever it's convenient for them (abortion, school prayer, and the PATRIOT Act, for example), and ignore it at all other times. That doesn't mean, however, that it should be ignored.

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At least they make an attempt to seem reasonable.

[Democratic Hawk]

Maybe one or two things

Dave

[Wakie]

Bush has done some things I agree with and handled some very tough situations very well (9/11 comes to mind).  But if I had a choice I would have preferred Bill Clinton.

More than anything my biggest problem with Bush is that when he screws up he does it in a big way and then he refuses to learn from his mistakes.  It is that inability to learn from his errors which really drives me nuts about him.

[dazzleman]

Emsworth, a hint, few people care about the Constitution anymore. A host of Supreme Court rulings have proved even they don't care.

With respect to the Supreme Court, I'm afraid I'd have to agree.

Few people talk about this, but one thing I found disturbing was when Sandra Day O'Connor, in speaking about her vote in favor of allowing race-based affirmative action for college admissions, said that she hoped it wouldn't be necessary in 30 years.

In other words, the court was basing its decision on whether this policy was constitutional on whether they thought it was needed as a social policy.  This was an unusually frank admission that the court was actually making social policy, and few people seemed to pick up or comment on it.

Maybe that's because there's nothing new about it.  But it seems to me that it's the court's job to simply decide whether the policy is constitutional, not whether it is beneficial or "needed."  The job of deciding whether the policy is beneficial or needed belongs to the legislative and executive branches.

[ag]

Even aside from the uncontroversial stuff (every president does zilliins of highly commendable things) actually, I like, surprisingly, quite a few controversial things he did, and even more things he claimed he wants to do. For instance, he talks reasonably good on free trade and sometimes even on immigrant rights. He doesn't have much to show for it (an agreement with Australia and the largely insignificant CAFTA on free trade and only words about an immigrant amnesty or a guest worker program, but at least the words are fairly right).  I like him blocking the Europeans from dropping the weapons embargo on China.  I like overthroughing Talibs in Afganistan (though I believe US should have been more aggressive there). I like his words (though rarely his actions) on support of democracy around the world (I don't like his actions not because I think he is a dangerous radical, but, on the contrary, because I think that he often shirks from acting, and when he acts does it badly, inconsistently, or at a wrong time and place, delaying, rather than advancing the cause of democracy).  I like the rhetoric on free markets - but I have a strong suspicion he has no clue what these are.  So, in sum, where I am conservative, he, mainly, pays a lip service to conservatism, which he does not believe in or does not understand.  And his, apparently, heartfelt and sincere conservatism on social issues leaves me, at best, cold, and, at worst, alienated, while his cavalier attitude towards civil liberties makes me scared.

[MaC]

http://www.rense.com/general67/nwg.htm

Killerpollo, do you ever have anything intelligent to contribute?  I mean, EVER?

Wow, this is certainly a change of heart. I remember you used to have your lips stuck on his ass. I guess not now.

I remember when you were gay with Richius
There's a line of tolerance I have for trolls that most people (like you) don't, Casey.  You seem to be, at the first instance of anything, calling for a ban on people.  I understand Killerpollo comes from forums where bashing others and stupid irrelevancies are the norm, but I've told him time and time again to change his ways.  Granted, being a troll is a psychological disease that can be treated and I thought over time, and me talking to him, he'd grow out of it.  At one point I said, y'know what? F--k it, if he's not gonna contribute, he's not gonna contribute, so I can say what I want of him because he won't change his ways.

[Ben.]

Option 1.

Things like the partial birth abortion ban, some of his education reforms and the beefing up of the military, what is more I think that in the aftermath of 2001 his leadership was outstanding IMHO.   

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Items I agree with Bush on:
- Immediate handling of crisis on 9/11
- Invasion of Afghanistan and toppling of Taliban
- Decision to invade Iraq and oust Saddam, although I think several aspects of this have been poorly handled
- Proposal to grant amnesty to illegal aliens
- Drilling in ANWAR
- Implementation of 10% income tax bracket
- Settling a good example in his personal life

[MissCatholic]

I support

the invasion of Afghanistan
the drilling of ANWR.
the partial birth abortion ban.
the transportation bill.

i dont support him

on the border.
on NCLB - hes not funding it.
not enough troops in iraq.
patriot act is a disgrace.
civil liberties are being eroded under this presidency.
the tax cuts were too much.

[Huckleberry Finn]

I don't dislike or like Bush, but I support


1) Afghanistan
2) The war on terror generally
3) The partial birth abortion ban
4) The no child left behind (But I don't know enough it though)
5) The social security reform (as above)
6) The support to new forms of energy and nuclear power 

I don't support

1) The drilling of ANWR
2) The anti-Kyoto policy
3) The healthcare policy
4) The Minimum wage policy
5) Tax cuts (were too much and timing was wrong)

[Cubby]

I'm not exagerating but from Day 1 he has always looked after the Pat Robertson base of the GOP and almost never done a thing I support, until this month....

I was stunned that Bush didn't nominate that pathetic hack Scalia to be Chief Justice, I haven't been glad about anything a President has done since 2000. Now my worry is that the 2 Roberts nominations (good ones) will be followed by a terrible stain on the court, like Luttig, Olson or Janice Brown.

So I chose option 2. A few weeks ago I would have picked #3.

[RJ]

No one has mentioned anything about his stem cell research policy. Believe it or not, I think he's doing the right thing where medical science in general is concerned, although I'm split on the partial birth abortion ban. I think private social security could be beneficial to at least experiment with, but not under the current circumstances and certainly not under the objectives he has laid out. Leadership in the year or so after 9/11 was commendable, although he has not seen the situation in Afghanistan through. Not much else comes to mind.

Items I agree with Bush on:

- Settling a good example in his personal life

This may be viewed as one of his strengths, but I'll quietly disagree on this one.

[Schmitz in 1972]

The one good thing that can be said about this heinous presidency is that it has provided many good judges. America's judges are to the left of some of the most loony Democrats in the country.