House passes Fiscal 2018 Budget 256-167, Senate 65-32

[Esteemed Jimmy]

House vote 186-83 Yea.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Like usual Democrats sh*t on their base while Republicans make love to their base.

[King Lear]

Like usual Democrats sh*t on their base while Republicans make love to their base.

This has been the saga of American politics since 1980.

[Torie]

The blue avatars must be really enjoying all the internecine squabbling on this thread (notice their absence here in general?). My suggestion is that the Dems spend more time framing the issues better, with supporting data, and getting about the business of winning more seats by a calm and focused approach to, among other things, win over more swing voters. Such an approach would contrast nicely with Trump's non data based, agitated, emotional, erratic, ad hominem approach. I have tentatively made my choice as to who to support in the Dem primary for the NY-19 seat based on such metrics.

[IceSpear]

There's no good options here for the Democrats. That's what happens when you lose elections.

Yeah, Democrats didn't have a real "win" available and I'm not stating otherwise. Try and keep up here, but I'm arguing that Democrats took the worst option and ran with it.

Between people not getting paid for work, sick children not getting funding (but as an issue that both parties wanted solved and only delayed for the shutdown), and brown people getting forcibly taken from their families by stormtroopers, I think the last option was the one most worth defending and the one most susceptible to Trump's whims. Going through the (apparently performative) act of shutting down the government only to re-open a few days later with no progress on DACA is a big fat sellout of your party's most vulnerable voters and citizens.

The thing is, even if you do prioritize DACA and throw the government employees, military families, and sick children to the wolves, what exactly is that doing for DACA recipients? Unless you think Donald Trump of all people is going to cave to the Democrats' demands to stop hating brown people, DACA ends in March anyway, with the shutdown scuttling whatever remaining hope of a bipartisan compromise there was as well. So all of that was sacrificed for absolutely nothing, other than giving a few Senators talking points during the 2019-2020 primary debates.

[Attorney General & LGC Deputy Dwarven Dragon]

House passes CR 266-150

R Nos: 6
R Abstain: 11
D Ayes: 45
D Abstain: 4

The shutdown is over.

[Torie]

There's no good options here for the Democrats. That's what happens when you lose elections.

Yeah, Democrats didn't have a real "win" available and I'm not stating otherwise. Try and keep up here, but I'm arguing that Democrats took the worst option and ran with it.

Between people not getting paid for work, sick children not getting funding (but as an issue that both parties wanted solved and only delayed for the shutdown), and brown people getting forcibly taken from their families by stormtroopers, I think the last option was the one most worth defending and the one most susceptible to Trump's whims. Going through the (apparently performative) act of shutting down the government only to re-open a few days later with no progress on DACA is a big fat sellout of your party's most vulnerable voters and citizens.

The thing is, even if you do prioritize DACA and throw the government employees, military families, and sick children to the wolves, what exactly is that doing for DACA recipients? Unless you think Donald Trump of all people is going to cave to the Democrats' demands to stop hating brown people, DACA ends in March anyway, with the shutdown scuttling whatever remaining hope of a bipartisan compromise there was as well. So all of that was sacrificed for absolutely nothing, other than giving a few Senators talking points during the 2019-2020 primary debates.

I think the role of Trump here is fading away into relative insignificance. Is Trump really going to veto something that passes both houses of Congress, shutting the government down, even if his base hardliners in Congress are opposed? I don't think so. If that happened, the Pubs would indeed lose the House, and perhaps the Senate. It would be a Pub electoral disaster.

Trump's role here has been marginalized in my opinion. Thank heavens!

[Sestak]

It would be hilarious if Trump vetoes the CR.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Trump's role here has been marginalized in my opinion. Thank heavens!

Yep. Thank God the adults, Kelly and Miller, are the real power behind the throne.
Amirite?

[Attorney General & LGC Deputy Dwarven Dragon]

Thread title updated

[Torie]

Trump's role here has been marginalized in my opinion. Thank heavens!

Yep. Thank God the adults, Kelly and Miller, are the real power behind the throne.
Amirite?

Hi px. How are you?

[Strudelcutie4427]

Do we have a list of how everyone voted yet?

[They not like us]

1. What's in the CR vis a vis DACA + CHIP?
2. Sherrod Brown applauds admin. for tariffs in CR
3. Where's the roll call vote? Was there one?

[Strudelcutie4427]

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll044.xml

Found the roll call

[Attorney General & LGC Deputy Dwarven Dragon]

Do we have a list of how everyone voted yet?

1. What's in the CR vis a vis DACA + CHIP?
2. Sherrod Brown applauds admin. for tariffs in CR
3. Where's the roll call vote? Was there one?

Senate Vote Summary: https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=2&vote=00017
House Vote Summary: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll044.xml

The 6 year CHIP extension remained in the CR, DACA still isn't. The bill is literally the same bill we had at the start of this, albeit with one less week of government and a completely meaningless "commitment" from McConnell to vote on DACA.

[Sestak]

Do we have a list of how everyone voted yet?

1. What's in the CR vis a vis DACA + CHIP?
2. Sherrod Brown applauds admin. for tariffs in CR
3. Where's the roll call vote? Was there one?

Senate Vote Summary: https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=2&vote=00017
House Vote Summary: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll044.xml

The 6 year CHIP extension remained in the CR, DACA still isn't. The bill is literally the same bill we had at the start of this, albeit with one less week of government and a completely meaningless "commitment" from McConnell to vote on DACA.

Not really meaningless if he breaks it and then Dems shut down the government on Feb 8. The GOP loses the CHIP talking point, and the Dems have free rein to blame McConnell for the shutdown.

[henster]

Why are so many progressives dismissing CHIP funding?

[IceSpear]

Why are so many progressives dismissing CHIP funding?

Because throwing a tantrum that accomplishes nothing feels better than ensuring millions of kids have healthcare, duh!

[Strudelcutie4427]

Why are so many progressives dismissing CHIP funding?

Cuz kids can’t vote but millions of legalized illegal aliens can. All about that net vote margin

[They not like us]

Why are so many progressives dismissing CHIP funding?

Cuz kids can’t vote but millions of legalized illegal aliens can. All about that net vote margin

Exactly. Ya'll need to remember that being Anti-Trump isn't a political stance, and spiting children just to spite the President at the same time is literally worse than what the GOP did to Obama.

[fluffypanther19]

Why are so many progressives dismissing CHIP funding?

Cuz kids can’t vote but millions of legalized illegal aliens can. All about that net vote margin

Exactly. Ya'll need to remember that being Anti-Trump isn't a political stance, and spiting children just to spite the President at the same time is literally worse than what the GOP did to Obama.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Why are so many progressives dismissing CHIP funding?

Because most of them are covered by their parents insurance.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Why are so many progressives dismissing CHIP funding?

Cuz kids can’t vote but millions of legalized illegal aliens can. All about that net vote margin

Exactly. Ya'll need to remember that being Anti-Trump isn't a political stance, and spiting children just to spite the President at the same time is literally worse than what the GOP did to Obama.

I agree, but I don't think that was his point.

[Blackacre]

It's because CHIP was being used as a divergence from DACA, so while it's great that it got funded for 6 years, it wasn't the focus of the standoff and thus doesn't feel like a win.

[Boss_Rahm]

This is a take that I agree with:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/22/16920532/shutdown-deal-democrats

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