Bernie Sanders vs. Tim Scott

[Strudelcutie4427]

This matchup makes the assumption that the Republican party would vote for a black man as their nominee. I'm not buying into that happening.

We had a black guy leading in our primary polls 2 cycles in a row (Cain and Carson)

[GoldenMainer]

This matchup makes the assumption that the Republican party would vote for a black man as their nominee. I'm not buying into that happening.

We had a black guy leading in our primary polls 2 cycles in a row (Cain and Carson)

Carson didn't finish in first, second, or third in a single state.

Herman Cain dropped out before a single state voted.

Polls don't equal votes and they don't win primaries.

[Former Kentuckian]

People need to get over the belief that Black voters will vote for a Black candidate because they're Black. Ask Donna Edwards. And there is a distrust among Black voters regarding Black Republicans. Herman Cain and Ben Carson were unable to gain any traction at all among Black voters and were roasted in Black media and social media. Also, Tim Scott struggles with Black voters in his own state. Nobody candidates dominated the Black vote against him in 2014 and 2016.

[Maverick J-Mac]

If you don't vote for Tim Scott then you're a racist.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Bernie is not liked by black voters. 

Try again, he's at 69% favorable with them in the latest poll.

In Vermont, definitely.

Nationwide.

Bernie is not liked by black voters. 

Try again, he's at 69% favorable with them in the latest poll.

Almost any semi well-known Democrat would be at 69% favorable with black voters.

Schumer and Pelosi weren't remotely close.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Stop arguing with jfern. He is member of a cult, and as Trumpbots have repeatedly shown cult members are immune to facts and evidence.

[Holmes]

In 2020 Sanders would probably win if this were the match-up, but in 2016 I think Scott beats him narrowly:

280 - 258

WI is really, really close.

MI: Sanders 50, Scott 47
WI: Sanders 49, Scott 49 (Sanders wins after a recount)
PA: Scott 49, Sanders 48
FL: Scott 49.5, Sanders 48
OH: Scott 51.5, Sanders 46
IA: Scott 50.5, Sanders 47
NV: Sanders 49, Scott 47.5
NE-02: Scott 49, Sanders 48
ME-02: Scott 49, Sanders 48

why does a southerner beat a Northeasterner in a district that voted for bernie 64-35 in the primary?

Cause ME-02 is Safe R now on Atlas.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

Tim Scott is an unlikeable corporate hack. He might win Florida because of the Cubans being scared of socialism, but wcw in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin HATE people like Scott.

[James Monroe]

Will the deplorables vote for a black person, no matter his political positions? Many fake Democrats voted for Bernard because of his white maleness over Hillary Clinton, who just happened to be a accomplished women. The whiteness of states like Wisconsin and Iowa will help Bernard secure a victory, as much as it pains me to say.

[Former Kentuckian]

Will the deplorables vote for a black person, no matter his political positions? Many fake Democrats voted for Bernard because of his white maleness over Hillary Clinton, who just happened to be a accomplished women. The whiteness of states like Wisconsin and Iowa will help Bernard secure a victory, as much as it pains me to say.

If you care about the health and growth of the Democratic Party, then you probably shouldn't make such sweeping judgments against its future considering Bernie won young people of all demographics, including young women and young Black people.

[James Monroe]

Will the deplorables vote for a black person, no matter his political positions? Many fake Democrats voted for Bernard because of his white maleness over Hillary Clinton, who just happened to be a accomplished women. The whiteness of states like Wisconsin and Iowa will help Bernard secure a victory, as much as it pains me to say.

If you care about the health and growth of the Democratic Party, then you probably shouldn't make such sweeping judgments against its future considering Bernie won young people of all demographics, including young women and young Black people.

You would consider Democrats in West Virginia and Oklahoma to be representative of the party? Those were states that went heavily for Bernie, both majority white and conservative states. The Bernie coalition is going to collapse as his people just happened to be the people who were radicals in college only to be Republican when they start playing taxes.

[Former Kentuckian]

Will the deplorables vote for a black person, no matter his political positions? Many fake Democrats voted for Bernard because of his white maleness over Hillary Clinton, who just happened to be a accomplished women. The whiteness of states like Wisconsin and Iowa will help Bernard secure a victory, as much as it pains me to say.

If you care about the health and growth of the Democratic Party, then you probably shouldn't make such sweeping judgments against its future considering Bernie won young people of all demographics, including young women and young Black people.

You would consider Democrats in West Virginia and Oklahoma to be representative of the party? Those were states that went heavily for Bernie, both majority white and conservative states. The Bernie coalition is going to collapse as his people just happened to be the people who were radicals in college only to be Republican when they start playing taxes.

He won the young everywhere. He made significant inroads among young non-white people, especially women, across the country and won young Black and young Latino voters (even in places she won, like California and New York. It's what helped him last so long since delegates are awarded proportionately)  over Hillary and he ran circles around Hillary with the young female vote. Hillary lost West Virginia and Oklahoma because of her quotes about mining and extraction. Trying to blame Bernie's success on racism and sexism is shooting the party in the head. Young people love him and if you want the party to exist after Hillary's baby boomer fans die off, you need to come to terms with that. The Republican tax plan is just going to make the Sanders-Warren wing even stronger and others in the party know that, hence Gillibrand throwing Bill Clinton to the wolves, Warren calling the primary rigged and Tammy Baldwin calling it unfair, and Kamala Harris signing on to just about everything Sanders proposes. They know where the party is going.

Schumer elevating Bernie to a leadership role in the Senate after the election was a big sign.

[Devout Centrist]

Florida, Colorado, Virginia, and possible Nevada go Republican.

Narrow Sanders victory with outside possibility of a tie

[NoTrump]

I'd support Bernie and I think he'd narrowly win.

10 out of 11 former Confederate states voting for a Black Republican. Indeed, this is what I call progress!

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

This matchup makes the assumption that the Republican party would vote for a black man as their nominee. I'm not buying into that happening.

May I interest you in a flashback to when Ben Carson was leading the polls?

Polls mean nothing without results to back them up.

[GoTfan]

Will the deplorables vote for a black person, no matter his political positions? Many fake Democrats voted for Bernard because of his white maleness over Hillary Clinton, who just happened to be a accomplished women. The whiteness of states like Wisconsin and Iowa will help Bernard secure a victory, as much as it pains me to say.

Most Bernie supporters would back Elizabeth Warren, so there goes the sexism argument.

A lot of us also like Nina Turner and Tulsi Gabbard. Go figure.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Will the deplorables vote for a black person, no matter his political positions? Many fake Democrats voted for Bernard because of his white maleness over Hillary Clinton, who just happened to be a accomplished women. The whiteness of states like Wisconsin and Iowa will help Bernard secure a victory, as much as it pains me to say.

Most Bernie supporters would back Elizabeth Warren, so there goes the sexism argument.

A lot of us also like Nina Turner and Tulsi Gabbard. Go figure.

You support homophobic Assad apologists? Ew.

[Former Kentuckian]

Will the deplorables vote for a black person, no matter his political positions? Many fake Democrats voted for Bernard because of his white maleness over Hillary Clinton, who just happened to be a accomplished women. The whiteness of states like Wisconsin and Iowa will help Bernard secure a victory, as much as it pains me to say.

Most Bernie supporters would back Elizabeth Warren, so there goes the sexism argument.

A lot of us also like Nina Turner and Tulsi Gabbard. Go figure.

You support homophobic Assad apologists? Ew.

To be fair, Tulsi Gabbard came out in support of same-sex marriage before Hillary Clinton did, and has co-sponsored and supported pro-LGBT legislation like the repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act and the Employment Non-Discrimination Act. But yeah, the Assad thing is messed up.

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

Bernie 314 votes, ~49%
Tim Scott 224 votes, ~48%

This is what I think would happen. I was most conflicted by deciding how Florida would go, but in the end despite Sanders's socialism I think he could manage to defeat Tim Scott here (to all the people pontificating about Cubans' opinions on socialism, as one of those people I can confirm that many of the same elder Cubans who are terrified of socialism are also racist against Black people). If Scott wins Florida, the EC is much closer (285-253) but I think it would still be a Sanders victory. PA, WI, and NV are also very close. Assuming it's 2016.
I think Scott would perform better in 2020 (in a vacuum, without Trump's impact. If Trump's legacy is still around in this scenario Sanders would win big over Scott)

[Coolface Sock #42069]

This matchup makes the assumption that the Republican party would vote for a black man as their nominee. I'm not buying into that happening.

Wasn't Herman Cain leading the field for a bit?  I'd think if the SC GOP nominated Tim Scott, the national GOP nominating a Black Republican who otherwise had political positions in line with the party as a whole isn't that unbelievable.  He or she would for sure be called an "Uncle Tom" by many liberals, but that's not in Republicans' control, per say.

Ben Carson led the GOP field briefly before taking a break to go on a two-week book tour (he obviously only wanted to use the GOP primary as a way to sell more books and never wanted to be president).

Any Uncle Tom comments would obviously benefit Scott.

[erſatz-york]

Bernie will never win. He has a massive minorities problem, and it's so easy to hit him for praising Castro, communism, and the Sandinistas.

Moreover, Bernie croaks before election day, the dumb socialist that he is. Believing that 1) their messiah has ascended to the great socialist utopia in the sky and 2) the rapture is imminent, Sanderistas across the country commit suicide, being the noodleheaded socialists that they are. Tim Scott wins election by a historic margin and serves 5 terms as the 22nd Amendment is repealed in 2023.

[The Govanah Jake]

Bernie will never win. He has a massive minorities problem, and it's so easy to hit him for praising Castro, communism, and the Sandinistas.

Moreover, Bernie croaks before election day, the dumb socialist that he is. Believing that 1) their messiah has ascended to the great socialist utopia in the sky and 2) the rapture is imminent, Sanderistas across the country commit suicide, being the noodleheaded socialists that they are. Tim Scott wins election by a historic margin and serves 5 terms as the 22nd Amendment is repealed in 2023.

wut?
There is many problems with this but I'll start with one: Sanders is not a Socialist but a Social Democrat

[Medal506]

This is a bad matchup for Bernie. Much worse than someone like Little Marco or Trump.

This seems pretty accurate

[GM Team Member and Senator WB]

Feel like Bernie would be able to rally support in the rust belt a lot better than Scott could... his entire anti-outsourcing rhetoric would resonate extremely well there since that's where people were hardest hit. That same rhetoric may have won Trump the election there as well, so why not Bernie?

[Lord Admirale]

Feel like Bernie would be able to rally support in the rust belt a lot better than Scott could... his entire anti-outsourcing rhetoric would resonate extremely well there since that's where people were hardest hit. That same rhetoric may have won Trump the election there as well, so why not Bernie?

Tim Scott is a minority Republican, and Bernie Sanders didn't perform very well with minorities, so I think its possible Tim Scott could cut into typically Democratic minorities. Not enough to completely flip the vote, but enough to make a major difference.