IL-3 Dem Primary: Election Day!

[MAINEiac4434]

Somewhere, Richard Daley's corpse is smiling, as he covers up some police brutality.

Chicago politics are really depressing.

Has AP called the race yet?

No. It's too close, they won't call it until almost everything's in.

I think you and I are arguing about different things here; I don't really care about someone's private beliefs. What I care about is if those private beliefs either become public or lead to them trying to advocate against the equality of every American citizen. Because that is a terrible thing to do, because it hurts people.

No, you aren't. You said:

I think homophobes are bad people. Like, fundamentally. I don't care if they donate to charity or saved kittens from a burning building, if you think there should be one set of rights for one group of people and another for another group of people, that's pretty terrible.

Most people don't care as much about politics as we do, and most people don't try to put people into 'HP' or 'FF' boxes. Condemning people for their political beliefs is in almost every case wrong, especially when you are talking about socialized, private beliefs.

Kapartsky, I guess I'm just wondering if you'd feel the same about someone who was racist? Or an antisemitie? Misogynist? Would that be terrible, or not? Is it just homophobia that wouldn't condemn someone to meet your definition of "terrible"? If they said black and white people shouldn't be married, would that make someone terrible?

I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm honestly just curious. Because I'd actually think it's kind of noble that you'd look for goodness in those people, when I can't.

I really hope so.

[YE]

As a populist Democrat who supported Newman, this thread is just cancer for me. 

[Tekken_Guy]

The issue wasn't that Newman was pro-life. He machine barely eked it out for Lipinski.

Yeah, Lipinski got a net 4K votes from the city of Chicago, 4x his winning margin. He can thank Madigan for the 2 year extension on his congressional shelftime.

What did Madigan do?

He made Marie Newman an unelectable candidate, apparently.

How can we blame Madigan for the voting patterns of other people? It's not like he stuffed a bunch of Lipinski votes inside, now did he?

[AtorBoltox]

Marie Newman ran a good campaign. But next time let's not go with a generic white liberal.

Yup. She pulled an Emily Cain.

Run to the district. Nominate someone pro-life, or at least not as strenuously pro-choice.

I am glad about the outcome. At least this preserves some ideological diversity within the Democratic caucus.

I mean Manchin and Cuellar and Costa were still gonna be there regardless...

I don't think running an anti-abortion candidate would be the best idea. But acting like the campaign is entirely about abortion is stupid. Find a candidate who is (1) a minority, and (2) can campaign on a variety of issues. Because there is a lot wrong with Lipinski.

In reality though I think Lipinski retires in 2020.

Also, dear homophobes in this thread: you are still scum.

The statement of an ideological extremist. It is unfortunate that such types seem to predominate on this board.

You have a really skewed view of the world. Not liking homophobes is extremist now?

[libertpaulian]

Newman is definitely the candidate to run for this seat once Lipinski retires.  She's earned it.

[AtorBoltox]

Never forget that Lipinski ran a campaign of dirty tricks and deception

[Green Line]

Somewhere, Richard Daley's corpse is smiling, as he covers up some police brutality.

Chicago politics are really depressing.

Has AP called the race yet?

No. It's too close, they won't call it until almost everything's in.

I think you and I are arguing about different things here; I don't really care about someone's private beliefs. What I care about is if those private beliefs either become public or lead to them trying to advocate against the equality of every American citizen. Because that is a terrible thing to do, because it hurts people.

No, you aren't. You said:

I think homophobes are bad people. Like, fundamentally. I don't care if they donate to charity or saved kittens from a burning building, if you think there should be one set of rights for one group of people and another for another group of people, that's pretty terrible.

Most people don't care as much about politics as we do, and most people don't try to put people into 'HP' or 'FF' boxes. Condemning people for their political beliefs is in almost every case wrong, especially when you are talking about socialized, private beliefs.

Kapartsky, I guess I'm just wondering if you'd feel the same about someone who was racist? Or an antisemitie? Misogynist? Would that be terrible, or not? Is it just homophobia that wouldn't condemn someone to meet your definition of "terrible"? If they said black and white people shouldn't be married, would that make someone terrible?

I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm honestly just curious. Because I'd actually think it's kind of noble that you'd look for goodness in those people, when I can't.

I really hope so.

Wow. Brings a tear to my eye.

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

Never forget that Lipinski ran a campaign of dirty tricks and deception

The issue wasn't that Newman was pro-life. He machine barely eked it out for Lipinski.

Yeah, Lipinski got a net 4K votes from the city of Chicago, 4x his winning margin. He can thank Madigan for the 2 year extension on his congressional shelftime.

What did Madigan do?

He made Marie Newman an unelectable candidate, apparently.

How can we blame Madigan for the voting patterns of other people? It's not like he stuffed a bunch of Lipinski votes inside, now did he?

Waiting for the obligatory “Devout Catholics bused in from Warsaw”.

[MAINEiac4434]

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/976288430295404544

[AtorBoltox]

Never forget that Lipinski ran a campaign of dirty tricks and deception

The issue wasn't that Newman was pro-life. He machine barely eked it out for Lipinski.

Yeah, Lipinski got a net 4K votes from the city of Chicago, 4x his winning margin. He can thank Madigan for the 2 year extension on his congressional shelftime.

What did Madigan do?

He made Marie Newman an unelectable candidate, apparently.

How can we blame Madigan for the voting patterns of other people? It's not like he stuffed a bunch of Lipinski votes inside, now did he?

Waiting for the obligatory “Devout Catholics bused in from Warsaw”.

No, just the 'obligatory' fact that he pretended he supported Obama and mass texted some BS about how Newman wanted to ban nuns.

[Bidenworth2020]

hot take-newman can still win this- we have a whole 10% out, and no one seems to know how it will lean.

[junior chįmp]

Never forget that Lipinski ran a campaign of dirty tricks and deception

Democrats say get money out of politics....nominates JB
Democrats say stop the attacks on women's health care and ACA....nominates Lipinski

Rofl

[AtorBoltox]

Reminder that Lipinski is to the right of Claire McCaskill while representing a safe Democratic seat that went to Hillary by 15 points

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

Never forget that Lipinski ran a campaign of dirty tricks and deception

The issue wasn't that Newman was pro-life. He machine barely eked it out for Lipinski.

Yeah, Lipinski got a net 4K votes from the city of Chicago, 4x his winning margin. He can thank Madigan for the 2 year extension on his congressional shelftime.

What did Madigan do?

He made Marie Newman an unelectable candidate, apparently.

How can we blame Madigan for the voting patterns of other people? It's not like he stuffed a bunch of Lipinski votes inside, now did he?

Waiting for the obligatory “Devout Catholics bused in from Warsaw”.

No, just the 'obligatory' fact that he pretended he supported Obama and mass texted some BS about how Newman wanted to ban nuns.

Considering the fact that Newman failed to adequately respond and defend herself from those attacks, you can admit that it worked, no?

[Calthrina950]

Marie Newman ran a good campaign. But next time let's not go with a generic white liberal.

Yup. She pulled an Emily Cain.

Run to the district. Nominate someone pro-life, or at least not as strenuously pro-choice.

I am glad about the outcome. At least this preserves some ideological diversity within the Democratic caucus.

I mean Manchin and Cuellar and Costa were still gonna be there regardless...

I don't think running an anti-abortion candidate would be the best idea. But acting like the campaign is entirely about abortion is stupid. Find a candidate who is (1) a minority, and (2) can campaign on a variety of issues. Because there is a lot wrong with Lipinski.

In reality though I think Lipinski retires in 2020.

Also, dear homophobes in this thread: you are still scum.

The statement of an ideological extremist. It is unfortunate that such types seem to predominate on this board.

You have a really skewed view of the world. Not liking homophobes is extremist now?

I did not say that. I'm saying that many of the posters on this forum are willing to rip into other people first, before having a debate over the issues.

[Virginiá]

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/976288430295404544

Why can't these guys just suck it up and concede? Face it - you lost a heavily Republican state / district because you suck and/or ran a sucky campaign.

Not conceding makes them look like man babies.

[AtorBoltox]

Never forget that Lipinski ran a campaign of dirty tricks and deception

Democrats say get money out of politics....nominates JB
Democrats say stop the attacks on women's health care and ACA....nominates Lipinski

Rofl

Yeah Illinois represents everything wrong with American politics

[Green Line]

Reminder that Lipinski is to the right of Claire McCaskill while representing a safe Democratic seat that went to Hillary by 15 points

Yes and we won't forget it.  That's why we reelected him.

[MAINEiac4434]

hot take-newman can still win this- we have a whole 10% out, and no one seems to know how it will lean.

It's from Cook County, Lipinski's base of support. She can still win this, it'd just be really, really surprising.

Reminder that Lipinski is to the right of Claire McCaskill while representing a safe Democratic seat that went to Hillary by 15 points

He's to the right of Heitkamp imho

[AtorBoltox]

Never forget that Lipinski ran a campaign of dirty tricks and deception

The issue wasn't that Newman was pro-life. He machine barely eked it out for Lipinski.

Yeah, Lipinski got a net 4K votes from the city of Chicago, 4x his winning margin. He can thank Madigan for the 2 year extension on his congressional shelftime.

What did Madigan do?

He made Marie Newman an unelectable candidate, apparently.

How can we blame Madigan for the voting patterns of other people? It's not like he stuffed a bunch of Lipinski votes inside, now did he?

Waiting for the obligatory “Devout Catholics bused in from Warsaw”.

No, just the 'obligatory' fact that he pretended he supported Obama and mass texted some BS about how Newman wanted to ban nuns.

Considering the fact that Newman failed to adequately respond and defend herself from those attacks, you can admit that it worked, no?

Um..yes? That's my entire point? I'm saying Lipinski won because of these dirty tactics and lies

[Gass3268]

One more post supporting a Nazi and I'm locking this.

[TheSaint250]

One more post supporting a Nazi and I'm locking this.

Who's doing this?

[YE]

One more post supporting a Nazi and I'm locking this.

Who's doing this?

IIRC the OP can lock any thread the OP creates. 

[Figueira]

We live to fight another day. Donna Edwards ran a spirited campaign against the incumbent in 2006 and barely lost, but she ran again in 2008 and wiped the floor with the incumbent. Let’s hope Marie Newman follows the same projectory into Congress in 2020.

Pshh, next time don't piss off the Dem base in the district. 90s-Neoliberal/Identity Politics/Any-Generic-Woman-Would-Do-ism needs to be a thing of the past.

You're calling the Bernie Sanders-endorsed primary opponent of an anti-ACA conservative Democrat "neoliberal?"

A lot of people on this forum have this bizarre idea that if you're left-wing/liberal on one issue you have to "sacrifice" by being conservative on another issue.

[Alabama_Indy10]

hot take-newman can still win this- we have a whole 10% out, and no one seems to know how it will lean.

Hmm.. you are the masta