IL-3 Dem Primary: Election Day!

[Green Line]

The issue wasn't that Newman was pro-life. He machine barely eked it out for Lipinski.

Yeah, Lipinski got a net 4K votes from the city of Chicago, 4x his winning margin. He can thank Madigan for the 2 year extension on his congressional shelftime.

...Or Catholic Hispanics felt threatened for obvoious reasons.  Dan didn't get his margin in Chicago out of Archie Bunker.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Has AP called the race yet? I mean 10% are still out...

[Tekken_Guy]

The issue wasn't that Newman was pro-life. He machine barely eked it out for Lipinski.

Yeah, Lipinski got a net 4K votes from the city of Chicago, 4x his winning margin. He can thank Madigan for the 2 year extension on his congressional shelftime.

What did Madigan do?

[Figueira]

Marie Newman ran a good campaign. But next time let's not go with a generic white liberal.

Yup. She pulled an Emily Cain.

Run to the district. Nominate someone pro-life, or at least not as strenuously pro-choice.

I am glad about the outcome. At least this preserves some ideological diversity within the Democratic caucus.

I mean Manchin and Cuellar and Costa were still gonna be there regardless...

I don't think running an anti-abortion candidate would be the best idea. But acting like the campaign is entirely about abortion is stupid. Find a candidate who is (1) a minority, and (2) can campaign on a variety of issues. Because there is a lot wrong with Lipinski.

In reality though I think Lipinski retires in 2020.

Also, dear homophobes in this thread: you are still scum.

[Beet]

Bad news. How surprising... not. Anyway, more proof that men like Dan Lipinski are allowed to be conservative and still win while women like Hillary are not.

[Bidenworth2020]

Congratulations to Congressman Lipinski Madigan for a  well-earned rigged victory!!!

[SATW]

Funny how supporters of "progressive goddess" Newman are down to support a literal Nazi. Hmm, noted.

[junior chįmp]

The issue wasn't that Newman was pro-life. He machine barely eked it out for Lipinski.

Yeah, Lipinski got a net 4K votes from the city of Chicago, 4x his winning margin. He can thank Madigan for the 2 year extension on his congressional shelftime.

...Or Catholic Hispanics felt threatened for obvoious reasons.  Dan didn't get his margin in Chicago out of Archie Bunker.

Lipinskis's district was gerrymandered to reduce the Latino percentage from 24% to 20%

[DavidB.]

Funny how supporters of "progressive goddess" Newman are down to support a literal Nazi. Hmm, noted.

[Calthrina950]

Marie Newman ran a good campaign. But next time let's not go with a generic white liberal.

Yup. She pulled an Emily Cain.

Run to the district. Nominate someone pro-life, or at least not as strenuously pro-choice.

I am glad about the outcome. At least this preserves some ideological diversity within the Democratic caucus.

I mean Manchin and Cuellar and Costa were still gonna be there regardless...

But a Newman victory here would have accelerated the drive towards ideological purity.

[Chief Justice Keef]

This is a sad day for the state of Illinois.

[junior chįmp]

This is a sad day for the state of Illinois.

When has it ever not been a sad day for Illinois?

[Green Line]

The issue wasn't that Newman was pro-life. He machine barely eked it out for Lipinski.

Yeah, Lipinski got a net 4K votes from the city of Chicago, 4x his winning margin. He can thank Madigan for the 2 year extension on his congressional shelftime.

What did Madigan do?

He made Marie Newman an unelectable candidate, apparently.

[Babeuf]

Too bad about the result. I'm sure there will be another attempt in 2020, and if he manages to win again then we'll challenge him the next time. 49% is a pretty good result against an entrenched incumbent, Newman should be the one to try again.

[Figueira]

Again:

The GE isn't going to be remotely competitive so it really doesn't matter but please vote for Lipinski over the Nazi.

You aren't helping things.

[Calthrina950]

Marie Newman ran a good campaign. But next time let's not go with a generic white liberal.

Yup. She pulled an Emily Cain.

Run to the district. Nominate someone pro-life, or at least not as strenuously pro-choice.

I am glad about the outcome. At least this preserves some ideological diversity within the Democratic caucus.

I mean Manchin and Cuellar and Costa were still gonna be there regardless...

I don't think running an anti-abortion candidate would be the best idea. But acting like the campaign is entirely about abortion is stupid. Find a candidate who is (1) a minority, and (2) can campaign on a variety of issues. Because there is a lot wrong with Lipinski.

In reality though I think Lipinski retires in 2020.

Also, dear homophobes in this thread: you are still scum.

The statement of an ideological extremist. It is unfortunate that such types seem to predominate on this board.

[The Mikado]

We live to fight another day. Donna Edwards ran a spirited campaign against the incumbent in 2006 and barely lost, but she ran again in 2008 and wiped the floor with the incumbent. Let’s hope Marie Newman follows the same projectory into Congress in 2020.

Pshh, next time don't piss off the Dem base in the district. 90s-Neoliberal/Identity Politics/Any-Generic-Woman-Would-Do-ism needs to be a thing of the past.

You're calling the Bernie Sanders-endorsed primary opponent of an anti-ACA conservative Democrat "neoliberal?"

[Alabama_Indy10]

Funny how supporters of "progressive goddess" Newman are down to support a literal Nazi. Hmm, noted.

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

The issue wasn't that Newman was pro-life. He machine barely eked it out for Lipinski.

Yeah, Lipinski got a net 4K votes from the city of Chicago, 4x his winning margin. He can thank Madigan for the 2 year extension on his congressional shelftime.

What did Madigan do?

He made Marie Newman an unelectable candidate, apparently.

I can imagine Madigan and his machine thugs putting a gun to her head forcing Newman to hate Catholics. What a laugh.

[MAINEiac4434]

Somewhere, Richard Daley's corpse is smiling, as he covers up some police brutality.

Chicago politics are really depressing.

Has AP called the race yet?

No. It's too close, they won't call it until almost everything's in.

I think you and I are arguing about different things here; I don't really care about someone's private beliefs. What I care about is if those private beliefs either become public or lead to them trying to advocate against the equality of every American citizen. Because that is a terrible thing to do, because it hurts people.

No, you aren't. You said:

I think homophobes are bad people. Like, fundamentally. I don't care if they donate to charity or saved kittens from a burning building, if you think there should be one set of rights for one group of people and another for another group of people, that's pretty terrible.

Most people don't care as much about politics as we do, and most people don't try to put people into 'HP' or 'FF' boxes. Condemning people for their political beliefs is in almost every case wrong, especially when you are talking about socialized, private beliefs.

Kapartsky, I guess I'm just wondering if you'd feel the same about someone who was racist? Or an antisemitie? Misogynist? Would that be terrible, or not? Is it just homophobia that wouldn't condemn someone to meet your definition of "terrible"? If they said black and white people shouldn't be married, would that make someone terrible?

I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm honestly just curious. Because I'd actually think it's kind of noble that you'd look for goodness in those people, when I can't.

[Green Line]

This is a sad day for the state of Illinois.

When has it ever not been a sad day for Illinois?

10/26/2005

[Catholics vs. Convicts]

The issue wasn't that Newman was pro-life. He machine barely eked it out for Lipinski.

Yeah, Lipinski got a net 4K votes from the city of Chicago, 4x his winning margin. He can thank Madigan for the 2 year extension on his congressional shelftime.

...Or Catholic Hispanics felt threatened for obvoious reasons.  Dan didn't get his margin in Chicago out of Archie Bunker.

Lipinskis's district was gerrymandered to reduce the Latino percentage from 24% to 20%

Or were they redistricted into Luis Gutierrez' district to ensure they were represented by a Latino? Cmon, this wasn't done in order to "save" Lipinski's district.

[Green Line]

Somewhere, Richard Daley's corpse is smiling, as he covers up some police brutality.

Chicago politics are really depressing.

Has AP called the race yet?

No. It's too close, they won't call it until almost everything's in.

I think you and I are arguing about different things here; I don't really care about someone's private beliefs. What I care about is if those private beliefs either become public or lead to them trying to advocate against the equality of every American citizen. Because that is a terrible thing to do, because it hurts people.

No, you aren't. You said:

I think homophobes are bad people. Like, fundamentally. I don't care if they donate to charity or saved kittens from a burning building, if you think there should be one set of rights for one group of people and another for another group of people, that's pretty terrible.

Most people don't care as much about politics as we do, and most people don't try to put people into 'HP' or 'FF' boxes. Condemning people for their political beliefs is in almost every case wrong, especially when you are talking about socialized, private beliefs.

Kapartsky, I guess I'm just wondering if you'd feel the same about someone who was racist? Or an antisemitie? Misogynist? Would that be terrible, or not? Is it just homophobia that wouldn't condemn someone to meet your definition of "terrible"? If they said black and white people shouldn't be married, would that make someone terrible?

I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm honestly just curious. Because I'd actually think it's kind of noble that you'd look for goodness in those people, when I can't.

I really hope so.

[MAINEiac4434]

This is a sad day for the state of Illinois.

When has it ever not been a sad day for Illinois?

10/26/2005

What was the date of Obama defeating Alan Keyes? That was pretty good.

[Figueira]

Funny how supporters of "progressive goddess" Newman are down to support a literal Nazi. Hmm, noted.

While obviously the Newman supporters here who are OK with Nazis are terrible, be honest: 99% of Arthur Jones's votes in the GE will come from Republicans, not angry liberals on Atlas.