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Question: (Republicans or center-right only) After their rout tonight, what should Republicans do next?
#1
Wow, we really screwed up.  Trump is destroying the center-right.  Let's work with Democrats to accomplish something.
 
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Nothing.  Everything is fine, Gillespie was a bad candidate, nothing to see here!
 
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We haven't kept our promises.  Build the Wall, prosecute Hillary, and the voters will return to us.
 
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« on: November 07, 2017, 08:32:06 PM »

Well??
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2017, 10:21:40 PM »

A continuing onwards trend of pandering to far-right white nationalists and businessmen.
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2017, 10:42:55 PM »

Mix of option one and none of the above


Don't work with the Dems if it results in tax hikes, domestic spending increases while work with them on immigration reform, healthcare reform , and cutting military spending
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2017, 12:07:56 AM »

Mix of option one and none of the above


Don't work with the Dems if it results in tax hikes, domestic spending increases while work with them on immigration reform, healthcare reform , and cutting military spending

Do you prefer a balanced budget or income tax cuts?
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2017, 12:09:28 AM »

Mix of option one and none of the above


Don't work with the Dems if it results in tax hikes, domestic spending increases while work with them on immigration reform, healthcare reform , and cutting military spending

Do you prefer a balanced budget or income tax cuts?

I prefer balancing the budget through cutting spending (including military spending), not by raising taxes(which hampers economic growth).
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2017, 12:10:33 AM »

Mix of option one and none of the above


Don't work with the Dems if it results in tax hikes, domestic spending increases while work with them on immigration reform, healthcare reform , and cutting military spending

Do you prefer a balanced budget or income tax cuts?

I prefer balancing the budget through cutting spending (including military spending), not by raising taxes(which hampers economic growth).

I didn’t ask about tax hikes, I asked about income tax cuts.
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2017, 12:17:34 AM »

Mix of option one and none of the above


Don't work with the Dems if it results in tax hikes, domestic spending increases while work with them on immigration reform, healthcare reform , and cutting military spending

Do you prefer a balanced budget or income tax cuts?

I prefer balancing the budget through cutting spending (including military spending), not by raising taxes(which hampers economic growth).

I didn’t ask about tax hikes, I asked about income tax cuts.


A Balanced Budget then (which maintains current income tax code with no further tax hikes).
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2017, 12:25:53 AM »

Its a combination of 1 and 3.


Republicans have to do deliver on their promises, and to do that they have to work with Democrats where possible. They could easily do infrastructure, cyber security, Opiate Crisis and many other issues of that sort on a bipartisan basis.

They also have to reform healthcare, but the results in ME-02 should make people take note. This is another area where Republicans don't understand who there voters are. A lot of people who voted for Trump voted for the guy who wants to invest infrastructure and promised a "great healthcare" alternative. You cannot just kick a bunch of people off of healthcare to die in the streets and use the money to cut taxes for millionaires and expect them to be happy.


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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2017, 12:51:08 AM »

None of these options.

The GOP is a mess, for sure, but working with the left isn't going to make it not a mess. Denying that we are a mess or doubling down on populist BS is also awful.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2017, 12:53:42 AM »

The Republican Party should learn from the success of European right-wing populists and moderate on economic issues while remaining staunchly culturally conservative and opposing mass immigration.
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2017, 01:04:23 AM »

Where is the option for abandoning Trumpism, but going down a direction of Cruzism instead of Kasichism?
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2017, 01:10:03 AM »

Move to the left on economics, and the working class whites who propelled Trump to victory will stay in the Republican column.

Trump won places that hadn't voted Republican in decades. Going back to the Romney model isn't going to keep them voting Republican.
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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2017, 01:10:35 AM »

double down on our neoconservative principles.

Trump supporters and alt-right aren't Republicans. Kick all the fedora virgins out of the party.
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2017, 01:12:48 AM »

Where is the option for abandoning Trumpism, but going down a direction of Cruzism instead of Kasichism?

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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2017, 02:22:30 AM »

double down on our neoconservative principles.

Trump supporters and alt-right aren't Republicans. Kick all the fedora virgins out of the party.

The Republican Party has a longer tradition of Jacksonian outlook then Wilsonian by far.

The Republican Party was founded by a coalition of Hamiltonians and Jacksonians who opposed slavery. So that faction has always been there whether it was in the form of Robert Taft or whoever.

Neoconservatism (Wilsonianism) is entirely a new thing that only came on board the GOP in the 1980's, as a part of Reagan's larger coalition. But Reagan himself was not a neocon. In fact, Reagan's FP was probably the best aspect and most enduring aspect because he combined Jacksonian anti-Communism, with enough FP realism to deliver the end of the Cold War. That can be replicated in the future, unlike say his tax policies, which don't have the same utility as when they were deployed to end stagflation.
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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2017, 02:51:19 AM »

Anyone who thinks that running a campaign remotely like Gillespie's is a reasonable path to victory in any competitive race is doing nothing but lying to themselves. What happened tonight was a representation of a very clear message - the country hates Trumpism. You can abandon it, or you can say hello to Speaker Pelosi. Your choice, GOP.
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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2017, 03:18:37 AM »

Anyone who thinks that running a campaign remotely like Gillespie's is a reasonable path to victory in any competitive race is doing nothing but lying to themselves. What happened tonight was a representation of a very clear message - the country hates Trumpism. You can abandon it, or you can say hello to Speaker Pelosi. Your choice, GOP.

Yes, because Democrats are scared to death about running against tax cuts for billionaires and people being kicked off their healthcare to die in the street. Roll Eyes

The country hates Trump, but it wants a moderate economic agenda, which Ryan and the Movement Conservative establishment is incapable of delivering.

In fact, Democrats gaining control of the House will not get rid of Trumpism or Trump. It will get rid of Paul Ryan though.
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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2017, 04:51:50 AM »

Its a combination of 1 and 3.


Republicans have to do deliver on their promises, and to do that they have to work with Democrats where possible. They could easily do infrastructure, cyber security, Opiate Crisis and many other issues of that sort on a bipartisan basis.

They also have to reform healthcare, but the results in ME-02 should make people take note. This is another area where Republicans don't understand who there voters are. A lot of people who voted for Trump voted for the guy who wants to invest infrastructure and promised a "great healthcare" alternative. You cannot just kick a bunch of people off of healthcare to die in the streets and use the money to cut taxes for millionaires and expect them to be happy.




This

double down on our neoconservative principles.

Trump supporters and alt-right aren't Republicans. Kick all the fedora virgins out of the party.

The Republican Party has a longer tradition of Jacksonian outlook then Wilsonian by far.

The Republican Party was founded by a coalition of Hamiltonians and Jacksonians who opposed slavery. So that faction has always been there whether it was in the form of Robert Taft or whoever.

Neoconservatism (Wilsonianism) is entirely a new thing that only came on board the GOP in the 1980's, as a part of Reagan's larger coalition. But Reagan himself was not a neocon. In fact, Reagan's FP was probably the best aspect and most enduring aspect because he combined Jacksonian anti-Communism, with enough FP realism to deliver the end of the Cold War. That can be replicated in the future, unlike say his tax policies, which don't have the same utility as when they were deployed to end stagflation.

And this

Move to the left on economics, and the working class whites who propelled Trump to victory will stay in the Republican column.

Trump won places that hadn't voted Republican in decades. Going back to the Romney model isn't going to keep them voting Republican.

And this
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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2017, 10:29:06 AM »

Its a combination of 1 and 3.


Republicans have to do deliver on their promises, and to do that they have to work with Democrats where possible. They could easily do infrastructure, cyber security, Opiate Crisis and many other issues of that sort on a bipartisan basis.

They also have to reform healthcare, but the results in ME-02 should make people take note. This is another area where Republicans don't understand who there voters are. A lot of people who voted for Trump voted for the guy who wants to invest infrastructure and promised a "great healthcare" alternative. You cannot just kick a bunch of people off of healthcare to die in the streets and use the money to cut taxes for millionaires and expect them to be happy.




This

double down on our neoconservative principles.

Trump supporters and alt-right aren't Republicans. Kick all the fedora virgins out of the party.

The Republican Party has a longer tradition of Jacksonian outlook then Wilsonian by far.

The Republican Party was founded by a coalition of Hamiltonians and Jacksonians who opposed slavery. So that faction has always been there whether it was in the form of Robert Taft or whoever.

Neoconservatism (Wilsonianism) is entirely a new thing that only came on board the GOP in the 1980's, as a part of Reagan's larger coalition. But Reagan himself was not a neocon. In fact, Reagan's FP was probably the best aspect and most enduring aspect because he combined Jacksonian anti-Communism, with enough FP realism to deliver the end of the Cold War. That can be replicated in the future, unlike say his tax policies, which don't have the same utility as when they were deployed to end stagflation.

And this

Move to the left on economics, and the working class whites who propelled Trump to victory will stay in the Republican column.

Trump won places that hadn't voted Republican in decades. Going back to the Romney model isn't going to keep them voting Republican.

And this

Trump also lost places which the Republicans have won for decades and he got a lower % of the vote than Romney and Bush. This largely is because of his personal failings and his extrem rhetoric, but Trumpism without a controversial firebrand like Trump (or Wilders/Farage/Le Pen/Gauland) just doesn't work. You can't be both the Smiley nice guy ff Smiley candidate and the Trumpist candidate.

I think Reform Conservatism (or however you want to call it) is the way forward for the GOP. They'd probably focus more on things like infrastructure, the child tax credit and payroll tax cuts than slashing the top rate. This could attract both Obama-Trump voters and minorities as the GOP would actually push for things that help them. Meanwhile rich voters and the business community probably still would back the GOP as long as they remain to the right of the Democrats on economic issues (and as long as they don't nominate someone as incompetent, anti-intellectual and brash as Trump). The GOP probably should stay the socially conservative party. I'd personally love a fiscally conservative socially liberal™ party, but there probably is a strong correlation between social conservatism and fiscal conservatism (same for liberalism). They probably should give up on hopeless things like gay marriage but abortion and euthanasia are still very divisive issues as far as I know. There always will be a market for some sort of social conservatism (except in my own country lol).

Rubio and even Paul "Ayn Rand" Ryan tried to dabble in reform conservatism, but in the end they remained too doctrinarily right-wing on economic issues. Slashing corporate tax rates is common sense, but things like slashing the top rate to 33% don't really help the economy but they do cost a lot of revenue and votes.
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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2017, 10:33:49 AM »

Anyone who thinks that running a campaign remotely like Gillespie's is a reasonable path to victory in any competitive race is doing nothing but lying to themselves. What happened tonight was a representation of a very clear message - the country hates Trumpism. You can abandon it, or you can say hello to Speaker Pelosi. Your choice, GOP.

Yes, because Democrats are scared to death about running against tax cuts for billionaires and people being kicked off their healthcare to die in the street. Roll Eyes

The country hates Trump, but it wants a moderate economic agenda, which Ryan and the Movement Conservative establishment is incapable of delivering.

In fact, Democrats gaining control of the House will not get rid of Trumpism or Trump. It will get rid of Paul Ryan though.

Yet if you suggest the GOP adopt a more moderate economic platform while ALSO toning down the cultural conservatism and intolerant rhetoric, you are absolutely obliterated on this site for being a caricature of the Romney-Clinton voter whose voice is not wanted in the party.  Big tents are big on both ends.
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« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2017, 01:13:55 PM »

I don't understand why, on the internet, the Republican party is ruled by fedora virgins from 4chan lol
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« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2017, 01:22:26 PM »
« Edited: November 08, 2017, 01:24:25 PM by ThatConservativeGuy »

I agree with the general consensus here that a mix between 1 and 3 is the answer. Republicans should try to work with Democrats on issues where some common ground can be found, such as immigration and middle class tax cuts.

However, I've been far more bothered by an inability of Republicans in DC to keep their promises, such as repealing ObamaCare, scrapping the Iran deal, and building the wall than I have been with a lack of bipartisanship. Keeping these promises would fire up the base and help put up a more unified front against impassioned Democratic voters.
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« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2017, 01:23:30 PM »

Anyone who thinks that running a campaign remotely like Gillespie's is a reasonable path to victory in any competitive race is doing nothing but lying to themselves. What happened tonight was a representation of a very clear message - the country hates Trumpism. You can abandon it, or you can say hello to Speaker Pelosi. Your choice, GOP.

Yes, because Democrats are scared to death about running against tax cuts for billionaires and people being kicked off their healthcare to die in the street. Roll Eyes

The country hates Trump, but it wants a moderate economic agenda, which Ryan and the Movement Conservative establishment is incapable of delivering.

In fact, Democrats gaining control of the House will not get rid of Trumpism or Trump. It will get rid of Paul Ryan though.

Yet if you suggest the GOP adopt a more moderate economic platform while ALSO toning down the cultural conservatism and intolerant rhetoric, you are absolutely obliterated on this site for being a caricature of the Romney-Clinton voter whose voice is not wanted in the party.  Big tents are big on both ends.

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« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2017, 01:32:00 PM »

A mix of all three of these is correct.
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« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2017, 01:44:11 PM »

Anyone who thinks that running a campaign remotely like Gillespie's is a reasonable path to victory in any competitive race is doing nothing but lying to themselves. What happened tonight was a representation of a very clear message - the country hates Trumpism. You can abandon it, or you can say hello to Speaker Pelosi. Your choice, GOP.

Yes, because Democrats are scared to death about running against tax cuts for billionaires and people being kicked off their healthcare to die in the street. Roll Eyes

The country hates Trump, but it wants a moderate economic agenda, which Ryan and the Movement Conservative establishment is incapable of delivering.

In fact, Democrats gaining control of the House will not get rid of Trumpism or Trump. It will get rid of Paul Ryan though.

Yet if you suggest the GOP adopt a more moderate economic platform while ALSO toning down the cultural conservatism and intolerant rhetoric, you are absolutely obliterated on this site for being a caricature of the Romney-Clinton voter whose voice is not wanted in the party.  Big tents are big on both ends.

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Can you give me a little something more than that?
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