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« Reply #1325 on: September 12, 2018, 11:25:15 PM »

People who seriously post about pseudo-(political) scientific nonsense like the Bradley Effect, the Keys to the White House, "Reagan Democrats" and claim that the Democrats are to the right of all European conservative parties are actually a much bigger detriment to the forum than outright trolls.
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« Reply #1326 on: September 13, 2018, 05:23:49 AM »

It wouldn't surprise me if every major CFB and CBB program has Louisville-level (well, apart from the prostitution stuff) violations, and I don't think that's a bad thing.  It doesn't matter whether it is the US Government, a state government, or the NCAA, no organization should put restrictions on capitalism, and a basketball or football player who is worth $20,000,000 to a school should be paid that much over the table.

I think that we've had someone that we can agree on!

Although my position is a little different and I think that it comes from a position of not being American and so finding the whole College Sports thing really quite weird.  I'm of the opinion that the system as it is now is incredibly unfair to the players and  - especially when it comes to American Football which is an incredibly dangerous sport with many people getting seriously injured at a young age: or causing long-term issues that will affect them later in life.  Perhaps a more formalised minor or feeder league system where players could be professional (hopefully better than the way that Minor League Baseball works where players earn starvation wages for a years, with most never making it to the Majors) and get paid for doing what they do would help to mitigate that a little bit.  But the idea where an organisation can market a sport using the famous players to help push it; market them in video games and the like and then not only not pay those players anything but also forbid them from marketing themselves in a way that at least ensures that they've got some money to support themselves in the future if something goes wrong - especially since the NFL doesn't have guaranteed contracts so they can get cut easily.

Although another part of your post is interesting since it seems to be arguing against the whole structure of American sports in general.  They are designed to be... socialist in a way - you have the Draft which limits rich, large teams from taking all of the best players: most of the sports have a Salary Cap or some kind of system to prevent rich teams from outweighing everyone else with the power of money alone; player Free Agency is often restricted earlier in their career which gives teams effective control over their young players (again to limit the power of larger, richer teams) and many other systems that are designed to try and ensure long-term parity, and theoretically make it so that unless you have a team that is as stupid as the Marlins or the Browns, they go through phases of being very good followed by getting worse.  I read that as you preferring the way that things work in more European Sports; where a rich Qatari businessman can buy a mediocre Manchester-based Football team, spent billions of dollars buying players from various teams and therefore build one of the best teams in the world entirely through buying players and not through developing any.  Although you have things like Financial Fair Play (designed to make sure that you can't just have a rich owner spending $300 million a year on players as some were; making it so that you can only spend a certain amount of money based on your revenues and if you exceed that you get transfer embargoes preventing you from buying anyone) designed to try and limit the excesses those are frankly toothless and you have the same five or six teams winning everything since they have rich owners that can get any player they want through force of money: its basically a free-for-fall; almost unregulated capitalism.  If that was the case; then it'd be perfect for this thread I think since most Americans would probably hate it!

I dunno, it seems to me the proper socialist take on a salary cap system is that it's an oligopoly's attempt to keep the wages of its workers down.
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« Reply #1327 on: September 13, 2018, 05:25:29 AM »

Another hot take: The GOP's demographic future is brighter than the Democrats'
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« Reply #1328 on: September 13, 2018, 05:51:47 AM »

Another hot take: The GOP's demographic future is brighter than the Democrats'

Explain.
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« Reply #1329 on: September 13, 2018, 08:57:48 AM »

I support a ten to fifteen week abortion ban(Except for mothers life, etc), and an absolute right to free abortion before that point.
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« Reply #1330 on: September 13, 2018, 09:58:30 AM »

Another hot take: The GOP's demographic future is brighter than the Democrats'

The fattening of America makes them more Republican
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« Reply #1331 on: September 13, 2018, 11:20:27 AM »

People who make the "both sides do it" argument never actually call out both sides. They're just as biased toward one side as people who admit to being partisan.

Also, trigger warning for BRTD:

There's nothing wrong with making fun of the misuse of the word "populist/populism"
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« Reply #1332 on: September 14, 2018, 07:55:36 AM »

Another hot take: The GOP's demographic future is brighter than the Democrats'

Explain.

The short version is that the current Democratic demographic strength is:

a) The product of a combination of Clintonism and GOP screw ups.

b) Not uniformly loyal to the party.

As the party tracks left I think they will undo a large part of their strength among white suburbanites, East Asians and the more prosperous Hispanics.
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« Reply #1333 on: September 14, 2018, 08:22:26 AM »

The take that is the worst, and most detrimental to the Ds, IMO, is the take that a state can be unable to elect a progressive or someone to the Left of Lipinski. I can understand with a Super R state like WY, but it seems that every state, from HI to DE, WA to ME, CA to FL, are all excused, or extolled,  of being moderate D states, or ones with a moderate base.

Not only does this have no actual basis in political science or just the real world, but it can lead to situations where a state, such as FL, will keep putting up moderate, centrist candidates that consistently lose, or where a state will elect a moderate only for them to side with the GOP and not the mainstream Ds, even though they can totally put one a Mainsteam D in power.

I dunno,it just annoys me.
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« Reply #1334 on: September 14, 2018, 01:16:58 PM »

There is a fundamental dignity in being proud of where you are from, and people who trash certain places as being "shltholes" or "trashy" or seem to take pleasure in pointing out that these places are less than ideal are engaging in some of the smallest, rudest behavior possible.  There is a charm in almost every type of hometown, and "different strokes for different folks" should guide a lot more people's comments about different states/cities/towns/regions/etc.
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« Reply #1335 on: September 14, 2018, 01:51:00 PM »
« Edited: September 14, 2018, 02:06:19 PM by Hugin-Gottheimer Voter »

There is a fundamental dignity in being proud of where you are from, and people who trash certain places as being "shltholes" or "trashy" or seem to take pleasure in pointing out that these places are less than ideal are engaging in some of the smallest, rudest behavior possible.  There is a charm in almost every type of hometown, and "different strokes for different folks" should guide a lot more people's comments about different states/cities/towns/regions/etc.
Amen to that brother. I love New Jersey.
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« Reply #1336 on: September 14, 2018, 03:44:50 PM »

The MeToo movement will do more bad than good.
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« Reply #1337 on: September 14, 2018, 03:50:08 PM »

People who seriously post about pseudo-(political) scientific nonsense like the Bradley Effect, the Keys to the White House, "Reagan Democrats" and claim that the Democrats are to the right of all European conservative parties are actually a much bigger detriment to the forum than outright trolls.
this is an unpopular opinion?
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« Reply #1338 on: September 14, 2018, 04:03:59 PM »

I like following the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, as awful as they are. It's also cool to see who gets inducted.

Also, just getting nominated is an honor, even if some acts only get in/nominated because they have friends in high places. (like Percy Sledge, whom the majority of Rock Hall watchers agree is the least deserving act in the Hall.)


On a similar note, I do think that Bon Jovi deserved to be in (it's a hall of FAME, after all), but there's still more deserving acts out in the cold.
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« Reply #1339 on: September 25, 2018, 09:15:33 PM »

Since he went to prison today, here's one on the Cos:

He should not have had his honorary degrees or any of his awards or honors taken away from him. As of now he only has his star on the Walk of Fame. (Maybe his Presidential Medal of Freedom, since Obama refused to revoke it.) Just because he's a terrible person doesn't mean he hasn't made a positive impact on television or that he isn't funny. (Of course, if you don't think he's funny personally that's just an opinion, but he has been awarded for his comedy.)


Also, at least one of his accusers is probably lying or exaggerating.
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« Reply #1340 on: September 25, 2018, 09:21:48 PM »

The MeToo movement will do more bad than good.

This is correct.
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« Reply #1341 on: September 26, 2018, 12:10:10 AM »


How so?
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« Reply #1342 on: September 27, 2018, 10:14:38 AM »

Most "previous poster" threads on this board are spam.
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« Reply #1343 on: September 27, 2018, 10:54:43 AM »

The metoo movement is mostly about privileged, powerful, wealthy women getting in on the ‘I’m a victim too!  Me too!’ Bandwagon.

The ordinary women who are victims of rape are not “omg me too ##”... their stories are all uniquely terrifying, traumatic, and largely ignored.
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« Reply #1344 on: September 27, 2018, 01:06:22 PM »


Many reasons:

A: It's more focused on eradicating male behavior and masculinity than preventing sexual harassment and assault. Even things as simple as calling a woman sexy, are looked as sexual harassment.

B: Because of above, it isn't actually doing anything against real sexual harassment, and victims cases are largely ignored by a bunch of rich Hollywood women that are more focused on being angry at not being treated like the royal princesses they are. Take this persons post as example:

The metoo movement is mostly about privileged, powerful, wealthy women getting in on the ‘I’m a victim too!  Me too!’ Bandwagon.

The ordinary women who are victims of rape are not “omg me too ##”... their stories are all uniquely terrifying, traumatic, and largely ignored.

It just goes to show that the metoo movement is disconnected from reality, and rather, centered in the twitter and facebook bubble.
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« Reply #1345 on: September 27, 2018, 01:58:52 PM »

The Krassenstein brothers are the best people on Twitter.
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« Reply #1346 on: September 27, 2018, 06:26:27 PM »
« Edited: September 27, 2018, 06:56:02 PM by Moving to New Jersey soon »

Kavanaugh is innocent and Ford's real rapist is still out there somewhere.

As a side note: I will be ready to eat my words if I am proven wrong. I don't feel too strongly about this.
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« Reply #1347 on: September 27, 2018, 06:48:27 PM »

The Krassenstein brothers are the best people on Twitter.
I have reasonable doubt they're real people.
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« Reply #1348 on: September 27, 2018, 08:16:08 PM »

The Krassenstein brothers are the best people on Twitter.
I have reasonable doubt they're real people.

Why?
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« Reply #1349 on: September 27, 2018, 08:21:11 PM »

Because teh Rushuns!
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