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« Reply #500 on: December 21, 2017, 05:10:48 PM »

IMO the biggest problem with child support is that there seems to be no opt-out for it at all.  I don't think any person should be subject to 18 years hard labor against their will, physical or financial, male or female.  That precisely is why I'm pro-choice.

But, I also believe that childbearing should be universally discouraged.  That's what puts me at odds with most people, I think.

I don't know about child support but alimony should be banned completely. No one owes you anything after a relationship ends

I mean, it prevents trapping someone in an abusive relationship because they have no way to provide for themselves.
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« Reply #501 on: December 21, 2017, 07:20:48 PM »

Pretty much every opinion I hold is unpopular, but here are just a few:

George W. Bush was a good president, at least in domestic policy.
Barack Obama was not an especially good president.
Most Pixar films aren't that good, and Finding Nemo was terrible.
Good billionaires exist.
Marijuana should remain illegal.
Roe v. Wade is one of the worst Supreme Court decisions of all time.
Parents should have the right to send their kids to whatever school they want, whether public, private, or charter.
Obesity and heart disease are caused by sugar, not animal fat.
Life begins at conception.
Vaccines do not cause autism.
Soft drinks, though unhealthy, are better for you than alcohol.
Alcohol is as dangerous as smoking or hard drugs.  Same goes for marijuana.
Hand-drawn, traditional animation is better than CG animation.
Toys should not be sold as gender-specific.
Chris Christie and John Kasich are two of the best governors in the country, and I will miss both of them when they're gone.
Trump was elected because of protectionism, not racism.
Most police officers do not target young black men simply because of race.
White people are not all evil.
The far left and the far right are both wrong.
Right-wing media is as bad for America as left-wing media.
All news is fake news.
Illegal aliens should not be given amnesty unless they have been here long enough to establish themselves.
Sanctuary cities are unconstitutional and illegal, and therefore should be defunded.
Abortion is not healthcare unless done as a legitimate medical necessity.
Abortion should be illegal in cases of rape or incest.
Fascism is not conservative or right-wing.
Not all Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism.
Will Ferrell is stupid and unfunny.
You sound like a moderate hero with most of these opinions. I don't see how they're unpopular.
You don't see how any of these are unpopular?  Try putting them elsewhere on this site and watch the sparks fly.

Good billionaires exist.
Vaccines do not cause autism.
Soft drinks, though unhealthy, are better for you than alcohol.
White people are not all evil.
The far left and the far right are both wrong.
Right-wing media is as bad for America as left-wing media.
Illegal aliens should not be given amnesty unless they have been here long enough to establish themselves.
Not all Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism.

In what world are these opinions unpopular?
The world run by wingnuts.
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« Reply #502 on: December 22, 2017, 03:34:58 PM »

I think some Democrats sound borderline racist when they constantly separate out *White liberals* from just *Democrats*, as if OF COURSE minorities are Democrats, but these White people vote Democrat because they're especially enlightened.
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« Reply #503 on: December 22, 2017, 11:35:39 PM »
« Edited: December 22, 2017, 11:59:55 PM by Michael Bloomberg »

I support nuanced school choice.
I oppose the corporate tax.
There is no right to privacy.
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« Reply #504 on: December 23, 2017, 01:23:07 AM »

Globalization is nothing but a force for evil driven by the elites.
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« Reply #505 on: December 23, 2017, 01:33:17 AM »

Globalization is nothing but a force for evil driven by the elites.
Sometimes the alt-right and alt-left are hard to tell apart.
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« Reply #506 on: December 23, 2017, 01:16:47 PM »

Globalization is nothing but a force for evil driven by the elites.
Lol.
I'll add: Globalization is an inherent force for good that must continue indefinitely, and it benefits everyone.
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« Reply #507 on: December 23, 2017, 02:41:31 PM »

Globalization is nothing but a force for evil driven by the elites.
Lol.
I'll add: Globalization is an inherent force for good that must continue indefinitely, and it benefits everyone.

Why need it be either absolutely? Y'boy Macron wants a "Europe that protects".
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« Reply #508 on: December 23, 2017, 02:53:12 PM »

The Phantom Menace was a better movie that has aged much better than any the movies post-Disney buyout.
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« Reply #509 on: December 23, 2017, 03:55:56 PM »

Bernie would have lost, possibly by more than HRC did.

Most politics are "identity politics."

Abortion shouldn't be a Democratic litmus test, unless we want to lose every statewide election outside of states that went hard for HRC last year. Encourage candidates to be pro-choice, but don't demand it.

A majority (~65%, give or take 5 percentage points) of the "white working class" will not vote Democratic unless the Democrats move to the center to such an extent that they alienate everyone BUT the WWC. Thus, while the Democrats shouldn't ignore them (us? I technically fit into the white working class) in 2020, they shouldn't bend over backwards for them/us either.

More people identity as pro-choice than pro-life in every poll that I've seen. If anything there was more pro-choice Trump voters than pro-life Clinton voters.
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« Reply #510 on: December 23, 2017, 05:35:59 PM »

Police protest training needs to be radically changed. Protestors should not be arrested under any circumstances unless it’s 100% clear they are committing a crime. The First Amendment is absolute.
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« Reply #511 on: December 23, 2017, 05:39:24 PM »

Bernie would have lost, possibly by more than HRC did.

Most politics are "identity politics."

Abortion shouldn't be a Democratic litmus test, unless we want to lose every statewide election outside of states that went hard for HRC last year. Encourage candidates to be pro-choice, but don't demand it.

A majority (~65%, give or take 5 percentage points) of the "white working class" will not vote Democratic unless the Democrats move to the center to such an extent that they alienate everyone BUT the WWC. Thus, while the Democrats shouldn't ignore them (us? I technically fit into the white working class) in 2020, they shouldn't bend over backwards for them/us either.

As a Sanders supporter, I tend to agree with this. Very similar to how Bill Clinton wanted to originally run in 1988 but decided not to. Timing is everything
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« Reply #512 on: December 23, 2017, 05:39:35 PM »

https://www.democracynow.org/2017/12/22/stoked_journalist_alexei_wood_first_j20

Also, even if the crime/riot had been committed, 50 years is ing ridiculous. Maybe a few months probation or a fine at the most.
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« Reply #513 on: December 24, 2017, 01:49:44 AM »

I have the impression that all my opinions are unpopular.  Instead of referring you to my entire posting history, I guess I'll just mention one of them.  In order to achieve a more equitable and sustainable system of health care benefits for all the country's citizens, I think all adults in the U.S., except for the destitute, should pay higher taxes. 
You don’t believe in a revenue-neutral universal healthcare system that pays for itself?

You must not be a VVD or D66 voter, I assume.
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« Reply #514 on: December 25, 2017, 04:34:47 PM »
« Edited: December 25, 2017, 04:40:39 PM by Lechasseur »

Globalization is nothing but a force for evil driven by the elites.
Lol.
I'll add: Globalization is an inherent force for good that must continue indefinitely, and it benefits everyone.

Why need it be either absolutely?

Agreed, I think you need to find a common sense middle ground between the two, the problem is now the pendulum has swung too far towards globalization (and social progressivism) and that's why right wing populists and nationalists are picking up more and more momentum and are getting into power in some cases (like Austria).
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« Reply #515 on: December 25, 2017, 04:56:08 PM »

Pretty much every opinion I hold is unpopular, but here are just a few:

George W. Bush was a good president, at least in domestic policy.
Barack Obama was not an especially good president.
Most Pixar films aren't that good, and Finding Nemo was terrible.
Good billionaires exist.
Marijuana should remain illegal.
Roe v. Wade is one of the worst Supreme Court decisions of all time.
Parents should have the right to send their kids to whatever school they want, whether public, private, or charter.
Life begins at conception.
Vaccines do not cause autism.
Soft drinks, though unhealthy, are better for you than alcohol.
Alcohol is as dangerous as smoking or hard drugs.  Same goes for marijuana.
Hand-drawn, traditional animation is better than CG animation.
Chris Christie and John Kasich are two of the best governors in the country, and I will miss both of them when they're gone.
Trump was elected because of protectionism, not racism.
Most police officers do not target young black men simply because of race.
White people are not all evil.
The far left and the far right are both wrong.
Right-wing media is as bad for America as left-wing media.
All news is fake news.
Sanctuary cities are unconstitutional and illegal, and therefore should be defunded.
Abortion is not healthcare unless done as a legitimate medical necessity.
Fascism is not conservative or right-wing.
Not all Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism.
Will Ferrell is stupid and unfunny.

I can agree with most of these points, especially:
-I think Bush actually did a decent job, except for his handling of Iraq
-Obama was terrible (with hindsight arguably even more so for Europe and the Middle East then for the US)
-Of course parents should be able to send their kids to the school of their choice. The Democrats' opposition to charter schools hurts disadvantaged youths
-I'd prefer that the media not be biased but if it's going to be biased anyway it may as well be a right-wing bias
-All news is propoganda, I don't follow it that much anymore as a result
-Of course sanctuary cities should be defunded
-Of course not all muslims are terrorists, you have to differentiate between the moderate westernized ones (many of my friends are moderate westernized muslims, and I have no problem with them immigrating to Western countries) and the fundamentalist and/or criminal ghetto ones (my muslim friends hate them and they should be banned from immigrating to western countries)
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« Reply #516 on: December 26, 2017, 01:34:29 AM »

Bernie would have lost, possibly by more than HRC did.

Most politics are "identity politics."

Abortion shouldn't be a Democratic litmus test, unless we want to lose every statewide election outside of states that went hard for HRC last year. Encourage candidates to be pro-choice, but don't demand it.

A majority (~65%, give or take 5 percentage points) of the "white working class" will not vote Democratic unless the Democrats move to the center to such an extent that they alienate everyone BUT the WWC. Thus, while the Democrats shouldn't ignore them (us? I technically fit into the white working class) in 2020, they shouldn't bend over backwards for them/us either.

As a Sanders supporter, I tend to agree with this. Very similar to how Bill Clinton wanted to originally run in 1988 but decided not to. Timing is everything

I'll elaborate a little on my thinking.

I think that in the best case scenario (with a midwestern woman to attempt to satisfy Hillary voters as VP, perhaps Sen. Klobuchar) Bernie picks up WI, MI, and probably PA, while losing VA due to poorer Dem support in NoVA and the lack of Kaine on the ticket. That's a 272-266 Trump squeaker.

More likely, Sanders splits the Democrats and a significant minority of HRC primary voters stay home on Nov. 8th ("Hillary Gals" instead of "Bernie Bros?"). Trump calls him a Communist revolutionary in the general and proceeds to win every state he did IRL plus MN. NH is a bigger Dem win with Bernie, while NV and CO are closer.

Or maybe Bernie could pull out a win, who knows. I just feel that he had a lot smaller chance for victory than people give him, especially considering that it would have necessitated reuniting a party behind a candidate other than the one that, for better or worse, had been the assumed 2016 nominee since 2009.

Bernie is the type of candidate who can only win when things get so bad that "fringe" like policy positions become acceptable through desperation. A disgusting 🐖 like Trump is necessary to get elected to make a Sanders 2020 campaign a shoe in. Think back to Reagan:

1) Ran in 1968, comes in 3rd at the convention
2) Runs in 1976, comes in 2nd at the convention
3) Runs in 1980, finally wins as the public tire of New Deal politics
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« Reply #517 on: December 31, 2017, 04:39:31 PM »

Trump has a nice smile.
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« Reply #518 on: December 31, 2017, 04:52:52 PM »

I actually don't disagree.
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« Reply #519 on: December 31, 2017, 06:17:39 PM »

Farther left democratic Socialist parties should work with other left leaning parties (Social Democratic, Greens, etc) to better the working class. It may not be perfect, but any change to help the workers will better your cause.
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« Reply #520 on: December 31, 2017, 07:14:52 PM »

IMO the biggest problem with child support is that there seems to be no opt-out for it at all.  I don't think any person should be subject to 18 years hard labor against their will, physical or financial, male or female.  That precisely is why I'm pro-choice.

But, I also believe that childbearing should be universally discouraged.  That's what puts me at odds with most people, I think.

I don't know about child support but alimony should be banned completely. No one owes you anything after a relationship ends

I mean, it prevents trapping someone in an abusive relationship because they have no way to provide for themselves.

It also becomes financial abuse in the wrong hands.

Can't say I agree in full though, because these things are very case-by-case by nature.
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« Reply #521 on: December 31, 2017, 07:24:37 PM »

Meryl Streep is a deeply underrated goddess
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« Reply #522 on: January 01, 2018, 05:47:08 PM »

Other left leaning parties (Social Democratic, Greens, etc) should work with farther left democratic Socialist parties to better the working class. It may not be perfect, but any change to help the workers will better your cause.

FTFY. Cooperation is a two-way street.

(of course the point is moot because modern "Social Democratic" parties don't give a flying f**k about the working class, but we can dream)
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« Reply #523 on: January 04, 2018, 08:38:23 PM »

Some people are so bad they deserve to have slurs aimed at them. I'll call OJ Simpson the N word, because he's so evil he deserves a terrible label.
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« Reply #524 on: January 04, 2018, 09:01:58 PM »

Porn is gross. The only acceptable way to view nude people is clips of movies and TV shows with good production values and good actors/actresses
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