day 1: alabama

[WalterMitty]

discuss alabama.

one thing i find most interesting is that bush in 2004 did better than reagan in 84 in the state.

what's going on?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

discuss alabama.

one thing i find most interesting is that bush in 2004 did better than reagan in 84 in the state.

what's going on?

Kerry won blacks 91-6. Need I say more?

Interestingly, Kerry did better with AL blacks than MS blacks, and better with AL whites than MS whites, but did worse in AL than MS, because MS has more blacks.

[True Democrat]

Notable is the gender gap.

Women:
57-43 Bush

Men:
69-30 Bush

It also seems that either African-American turnout was low, or white turnout was high.

Whites were 73% of the voters, African-Americans 25%.

One more thing.  For when people decided who to vote for, Kerry picked up a lot of votes.

Last Month (12%)
   Bush: 43%    
   Kerry: 53%
Before That (78%)
   Bush: 67%
   Kerry: 33%

[Bandit3 the Worker]

discuss alabama.

It's a state in the southeastern U.S. that has Montgomery as its capital. Terrain ranges from rugged in the northeast to flat in the southwest.

There, I discussed Alabama.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Pretty simple; Kerry did *extremely* badly in Northern Alabama, an area that's very working class, votes Democratic (often pretty strongly) at state level and has the strongest unions in the Deep South (although it isn't *really* part of the Deep South; it's Appalachian). Historically the economy was based around coal and textiles (both have declined in recent years) although from the '30's the TVA has been very important as well.

[jimrtex]

discuss alabama.

Well I heard mister Young sing about her
Well, I heard ole Neil put her down
Well, I hope Neil Young will remember
A Southern man don't need him around anyhow

[minionofmidas]

It also seems that either African-American turnout was low, or white turnout was high.

Whites were 73% of the voters, African-Americans 25%.

Alabama is 71% White, 26% Black, so I haven't got the slightest clue what your point is.
Evangelical turnout was way high apparently. The "last month" stat is amazing though - maybe Blacks were unsure about whether or not to vote at all?

Oh, and to Jim...
J.B. Lenoir - Alabama Blues
"I never will go back to Alabama, that is not the place for me (2x)
You know they killed my sister and my brother,
and the whole world let them peoples go down there free
I never will love Alabama, Alabama seem to never have loved poor me (2x)
Oh God I wish you would rise up one day,
lead my peoples to the land of peace
My brother was taken up for my mother, and a police officer shot him down (2x)
I can't help but to sit down and cry sometime,
think about how my poor brother lost his life
Alabama, Alabama, why you wanna be so mean (2x)
You got my people behind a barbwire fence,
now you tryin' to take my freedom away from me"

[True Democrat]

Maybe a child board should just be started with one thread per state, and no new thread allowed.

[True Democrat]

It also seems that either African-American turnout was low, or white turnout was high.

Whites were 73% of the voters, African-Americans 25%.

Alabama is 71% White, 26% Black, so I haven't got the slightest clue what your point is.
Evangelical turnout was way high apparently. The "last month" stat is amazing though - maybe Blacks were unsure about whether or not to vote at all?

Really? I always thought Alabama was at least 30% African-American.

[minionofmidas]

It also seems that either African-American turnout was low, or white turnout was high.

Whites were 73% of the voters, African-Americans 25%.

Alabama is 71% White, 26% Black, so I haven't got the slightest clue what your point is.
Evangelical turnout was way high apparently. The "last month" stat is amazing though - maybe Blacks were unsure about whether or not to vote at all?

Really? I always thought Alabama was at least 30% African-American.

Really. I went and checked with the Census Bureau before I posted.

[minionofmidas]

Distribution of Black population is very interesting. The Northern part of the state really is Appalachia and not at all Deep Southern.

[True Democrat]

Why is Macon county so Democratic?

[minionofmidas]

Why is Macon county so Democratic?

Look at my map. It's 85.3% Black.

[Akno21]

Why is Macon county so Democratic?

Look at my map. It's 85.3% Black.

IIRC, that was Gore's strongest county in 2000.

[WalterMitty]

im still amazed that bush did better in alabama than reagan did in 84.

is there any other state where bush did better than reagan's 84 performance.  im too lazy to look it up.  perhaps west va?

what about the alabama state legislature?  what is the partisan breakdown?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

perhaps west va?

Yep; just. Coalfield turnout in 1984 was higher than 2004 for the most part. TN might be another, but I've not checked.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Senate: D 25, R 10
House: D 64, R 41

[WalterMitty]

im surprised that dems have a large majority in the state house.

[minionofmidas]

Top twelve Rep changes 84 to 94
Alabama +2.0
West Virginia +1.0
Kentucky -0.4
Tennessee -1.0
Montana -1.4
Wyoming -1.6
Indiana -1.8
Minnesota -1.9
North Dakota -1.9
Georgia -2.2
Mississippi -2.3
Texas -2.5

Bottom twelve Rep changes 84 to 94
New Hampshire -19.8
Vermont -19.1
Connecticut -16.8
Maine -16.2
Nevada -15.3
Massachusetts -14.4
Delaware -14.0
New Jersey -13.9
New York -13.7
Florida -13.2
California -13.1
Rhode Island -13.0

[Filuwaúrdjan]

im surprised that dems have a large majority in the state house.

IIRC the AL Dems actually made a net gain in the State House last year

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

im surprised that dems have a large majority in the state house.

IIRC the AL Dems actually made a net gain in the State House last year

You follow American politics closely enough to recall offhand the partisan makeup of state legislatures?

Al, you are a freak .

I can't even name all of the counties in England.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

discuss alabama.

Nothing short of nominating an extremely popular Alabaman will win this state for the Democrats in 2008.  In future Presidential elections, the only way the Democrats could make any headway is by taking a hard-right in social/cultural issues.

[minionofmidas]

discuss alabama.

Nothing short of nominating an extremely popular Alabaman will win this state for the Democrats in 2008.  In future Presidential elections, the only way the Democrats could make any headway is by taking a hard-right in social/cultural issues.

Or resettling the state's white population in the Sahara.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

You follow American politics closely enough to recall offhand the partisan makeup of state legislatures?

Oh and the Democrats made another gain in a special election in early 2005

You must be logged in to read this quote.

That's a good thing, right?

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Traditional:

Northumberland
County Durham
Cumberland
Westmorland
Yorkshire (divided into three Ridings; North, East, West)
Lancashire
Cheshire
Lincolnshire (divided into three (Ridings? Not sure) Lindsay, Kesteven, Holland)
Rutland
Northamptonshire (& The Soke of Peterborough)
Leicestershire
Nottinghamshire
Derbyshire
Staffordshire
Shropshire
Herefordshire
Worcestershire
Gloucestershire
Warwickshire
Somerset
Dorset
Devonshire
Cornwall
Wiltshire
Hampshire (technically Southamptonshire until the '50's)
Isle of Wight (I think it was independent at the time)
Sussex
Kent
Surrey
Middlesex (until the '60's)
Berkshire
Oxfordshire
Buckinghamshire
Hertfordshire
Bedfordshire
Essex
Suffolk (divided into Western and Eastern halves for some reason)
Norfolk
Cambridgeshire (& The Isle of Ely)
The County of London (from the 1850's or so until the early '60's)
Greater London (from the '60's)

Note that urban areas over a certain size were not administered by the County Council (examples include; Manchester, Liverpool, Blackburn)

Post-73/4 Ted Heath Inflicted Slaughter for No Good Reason:

Northumberland
Tyne & Wear
County Durham
Cleveland
Cumbria
North Yorkshire
West Yorkshire
South Yorkshire
Humberside
Lancashire
Merseyside
Greater Manchester
Cheshire
Lincolnshire
Northamptonshire
Leicestershire
Nottinghamshire
Derbyshire
Staffordshire
Shropshire
Hereford & Worcester
West Midlands
Warwickshire
Gloucestershire
Avon
Wiltshire
Somerset
Dorset
Devon
Cornwall
Hampshire
West Sussex
East Sussex
Kent
Greater London
Surrey
Berkshire
Oxfordshire
Buckinghamshire
Bedfordshire
Cambridgeshire
Hertfordshire
Essex
Suffolk
Norfolk

I might have forgotton some in typing...

[minionofmidas]

Ahem. Back on topic.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Ahem. Back on topic.

Listing all the counties was on topic. Sort of. Well maybe not. Ahem.