TN-SEN: Return of the Bredi

[Arkansas Yankee]

The problem was just several days ago Bredesen complained that Pence called him a liberal.  He decried the stooping to calling names.  What is worse calling someone a liberal or an idiot?

Shades of “rum, Romanism and rebellion.”

I guess Bredesen can argue that in Tennessee calling someone a liberal is worse than calling them an idiot.  But the additional vulgar language won’t help with that argument.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

If Bredesen loses (which tbh he probably will), it won't be because of this.

Bredeson is slightly favored

[BudgieForce]

Bredesen had better do damage control, fast:

https://freebeacon.com/politics/tennessee-dem-spokesman-f-k-reaching-trump-voters-idiots-arent-listening/

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Bredesen can't afford ANY political injuries in a state like Tennessee.

Wut?

Unrelated dem operative is mean to Republicans on twitter? That's the thing Beedesen needs to do damage control over?

[Arkansas Yankee]

Bredesen had better do damage control, fast:

https://freebeacon.com/politics/tennessee-dem-spokesman-f-k-reaching-trump-voters-idiots-arent-listening/

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Bredesen can't afford ANY political injuries in a state like Tennessee.

Wut?

Unrelated dem operative is mean to Republicans on twitter? That's the thing Beedesen needs to do damage control over?

If he does not do damage control, does he not run the good chance of being  pegged as a liberal trying to disguise himself as a moderate.  It seems to me the door has been opened.

I am not sure how unrelated the operative is.

[TarHeelDem]

If Bredesen loses (which tbh he probably will), it won't be because of this.

Bredesen is slightly favored

[Antonio the Sixth]

If Bredesen loses (which tbh he probably will), it won't be because of this.

Bredesen is slightly favored

It all depends on how you weigh polls vs fundamentals. At this point in the cycle (roughly until Labor Day) fundamentals tend to have a better track record.

[UWS]

Here's what could help Blackburn against Bredesen : during Bredesen's time as Governor (2003-2011), he raised taxes by nearly $1 billion and here's the result. It caused an increase of unemployment in Tennessee from 5.6 % in 2003 to 9 % in 2011 while getting at its highest rate in 2009 which was 10.5 %. I think that's a good hit for Blackburn to describe Bredesen as too liberal for Tennessee.

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/news/story/2010/dec/28/bredesen-tax-legacy-may-be-tough-act-to-follow/37946/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/190725/unemployment-rate-in-tennessee-since-1992/

[Antonio the Sixth]

Here's what could help Blackburn against Bredesen : during Bredesen's time as Governor (2003-2011), he raised taxes by nearly $1 billion and here's the result. It caused an increase of unemployment in Tennessee from 5.6 % in 2003 to 9 % in 2011 while getting at its highest rate in 2009 which was 10.5 %. I think that's a good hit for Blackburn to describe Bredesen as too liberal for Tennessee.

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/news/story/2010/dec/28/bredesen-tax-legacy-may-be-tough-act-to-follow/37946/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/190725/unemployment-rate-in-tennessee-since-1992/

Gee, I wonder what major economic event happened between 2003 and 2011...

[JG]

Here's what could help Blackburn against Bredesen : during Bredesen's time as Governor (2003-2011), he raised taxes by nearly $1 billion and here's the result. It caused an increase of unemployment in Tennessee from 5.6 % in 2003 to 9 % in 2011 while getting at its highest rate in 2009 which was 10.5 %. I think that's a good hit for Blackburn to describe Bredesen as too liberal for Tennessee.

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/news/story/2010/dec/28/bredesen-tax-legacy-may-be-tough-act-to-follow/37946/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/190725/unemployment-rate-in-tennessee-since-1992/

I mean, such a raise in unemployment is pretty similar to what was seen throughout the country with the recession, right?

[Zaybay]

Here's what could help Blackburn against Bredesen : during Bredesen's time as Governor (2003-2011), he raised taxes by nearly $1 billion and here's the result. It caused an increase of unemployment in Tennessee from 5.6 % in 2003 to 9 % in 2011 while getting at its highest rate in 2009 which was 10.5 %. I think that's a good hit for Blackburn to describe Bredesen as too liberal for Tennessee.

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/news/story/2010/dec/28/bredesen-tax-legacy-may-be-tough-act-to-follow/37946/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/190725/unemployment-rate-in-tennessee-since-1992/

Correlation \=\ Causation, it was most likely the financial crisis that caused the unemployment spike, and even then, thats not that large. But voters are not the brightest, so I will argue on its usefulness.

 If Blackburn was smart, and shrewd, she would use this to dismantle Bredesen's profile as a great governor, or, as you said, a Liberal. The problem is that Blackburn's campaign so far has been more focused on how Bredesen is not like Trump, which is a poor strategy IMO. Blackburn has also done nothing to increase her own popularity, which is rather poor. TBH with you, the fact that Bredesen is leading is 1/2 that Bredesen is a good candidate, and 1/2 Blackburn is one of the worst candidates in TN. I could see Alexander using this correctly, but not Blackburn.

[UWS]

Here's what could help Blackburn against Bredesen : during Bredesen's time as Governor (2003-2011), he raised taxes by nearly $1 billion and here's the result. It caused an increase of unemployment in Tennessee from 5.6 % in 2003 to 9 % in 2011 while getting at its highest rate in 2009 which was 10.5 %. I think that's a good hit for Blackburn to describe Bredesen as too liberal for Tennessee.

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/news/story/2010/dec/28/bredesen-tax-legacy-may-be-tough-act-to-follow/37946/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/190725/unemployment-rate-in-tennessee-since-1992/

I mean, such a raise in unemployment is pretty similar to what was seen throughout the country with the recession, right?

An argument similar to mine was successful in defeating Ted Strickland during the Ohio senate race in 2016 since under Strickland has, during his time as Governor of Ohio (2006-2010), raised taxes to the tune of $840 million, Ohio lost over 250 000 jobs and was ranked as the 48th state in terms of job creation, raising the unemployment rate from 5.6 % in 2007 to 10.3 % in 2010. Despite the fact hat it's partly caused by the financial crisis, this record is one of the reasons why Rob Portman defeated Strickland in a landslide and by 20 percentage points. If that worked in Ohio it can also work in Tennessee.

https://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2010/oct/13/john-kasich/gop-challengers-labels-ohio-gov-ted-stricklands-ta/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/190710/unemployment-rate-in-ohio-since-1992/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Ohio,_2016#Endorsements_3

[Zaybay]

Here's what could help Blackburn against Bredesen : during Bredesen's time as Governor (2003-2011), he raised taxes by nearly $1 billion and here's the result. It caused an increase of unemployment in Tennessee from 5.6 % in 2003 to 9 % in 2011 while getting at its highest rate in 2009 which was 10.5 %. I think that's a good hit for Blackburn to describe Bredesen as too liberal for Tennessee.

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/news/story/2010/dec/28/bredesen-tax-legacy-may-be-tough-act-to-follow/37946/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/190725/unemployment-rate-in-tennessee-since-1992/

I mean, such a raise in unemployment is pretty similar to what was seen throughout the country with the recession, right?

An argument similar to mine was successful in defeating Ted Strickland during the Ohio senate race in 2016 since under Strickland has, during his time as Governor of Ohio (2006-2010), raised taxes to the tune of $840 million, Ohio lost over 250 000 jobs and was ranked as the 48th state in terms of job creation, raising the unemployment rate from 5.6 % in 2007 to 10.3 % in 2010. That is one of the reasons why Rob Portman defeated Strickland in a landslide and by
20 percentage points.

https://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2010/oct/13/john-kasich/gop-challengers-labels-ohio-gov-ted-stricklands-ta/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/190710/unemployment-rate-in-ohio-since-1992/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Ohio,_2016#Endorsements_3

But that was probably not the main reason Ted lost. I can say that Martha lost in 2010 because she hated pickup trucks, but that is not the main reason. Ted lost most of his support from the Democratic Party, and was constantly underfunded after Portman began to increase his lead. It does not help that Trump won the state of OH by a large margin, which helped to pad out Portman's margin. Retreads also did rather poorly in 2016.

Very few races are decided by one issue.

[UWS]

Here's what could help Blackburn against Bredesen : during Bredesen's time as Governor (2003-2011), he raised taxes by nearly $1 billion and here's the result. It caused an increase of unemployment in Tennessee from 5.6 % in 2003 to 9 % in 2011 while getting at its highest rate in 2009 which was 10.5 %. I think that's a good hit for Blackburn to describe Bredesen as too liberal for Tennessee.

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/news/story/2010/dec/28/bredesen-tax-legacy-may-be-tough-act-to-follow/37946/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/190725/unemployment-rate-in-tennessee-since-1992/

I mean, such a raise in unemployment is pretty similar to what was seen throughout the country with the recession, right?

An argument similar to mine was successful in defeating Ted Strickland during the Ohio senate race in 2016 since under Strickland has, during his time as Governor of Ohio (2006-2010), raised taxes to the tune of $840 million, Ohio lost over 250 000 jobs and was ranked as the 48th state in terms of job creation, raising the unemployment rate from 5.6 % in 2007 to 10.3 % in 2010. That is one of the reasons why Rob Portman defeated Strickland in a landslide and by
20 percentage points.

https://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2010/oct/13/john-kasich/gop-challengers-labels-ohio-gov-ted-stricklands-ta/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/190710/unemployment-rate-in-ohio-since-1992/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Ohio,_2016#Endorsements_3

But that was probably not the main reason Ted lost. I can say that Martha lost in 2010 because she hated pickup trucks, but that is not the main reason. Ted lost most of his support from the Democratic Party, and was constantly underfunded after Portman began to increase his lead. It does not help that Trump won the state of OH by a large margin, which helped to pad out Portman's margin. Retreads also did rather poorly in 2016.

Very few races are decided by one issue.

For Trump to win so big in Ohio it was because of his focus on the loss of manufacturing jobs and to his promise to bring coal jobs back. Plus the 2016 Republican National Convention was held in Cleveland.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Trump won big in Ohio due to flameout of former gov Ted Strickland

[Zaybay]

Here's what could help Blackburn against Bredesen : during Bredesen's time as Governor (2003-2011), he raised taxes by nearly $1 billion and here's the result. It caused an increase of unemployment in Tennessee from 5.6 % in 2003 to 9 % in 2011 while getting at its highest rate in 2009 which was 10.5 %. I think that's a good hit for Blackburn to describe Bredesen as too liberal for Tennessee.

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/news/story/2010/dec/28/bredesen-tax-legacy-may-be-tough-act-to-follow/37946/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/190725/unemployment-rate-in-tennessee-since-1992/

I mean, such a raise in unemployment is pretty similar to what was seen throughout the country with the recession, right?

An argument similar to mine was successful in defeating Ted Strickland during the Ohio senate race in 2016 since under Strickland has, during his time as Governor of Ohio (2006-2010), raised taxes to the tune of $840 million, Ohio lost over 250 000 jobs and was ranked as the 48th state in terms of job creation, raising the unemployment rate from 5.6 % in 2007 to 10.3 % in 2010. That is one of the reasons why Rob Portman defeated Strickland in a landslide and by
20 percentage points.

https://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2010/oct/13/john-kasich/gop-challengers-labels-ohio-gov-ted-stricklands-ta/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/190710/unemployment-rate-in-ohio-since-1992/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Ohio,_2016#Endorsements_3

But that was probably not the main reason Ted lost. I can say that Martha lost in 2010 because she hated pickup trucks, but that is not the main reason. Ted lost most of his support from the Democratic Party, and was constantly underfunded after Portman began to increase his lead. It does not help that Trump won the state of OH by a large margin, which helped to pad out Portman's margin. Retreads also did rather poorly in 2016.

Very few races are decided by one issue.

For Trump to win so big in Ohio it was because of his focus on the loss of manufacturing jobs and to his promise to bring coal jobs back. Plus the 2016 Republican National Convention was held in Cleveland.

and Hillary won PA by a large margin thanks to the convention being in Philly.

Again, states are not won on sole issues. Coal mining did not convince the Urban areas to not turn out, nor did it convince the suburbs to go for Trump. Both manufacturing and coal would only work on the South of the state, specifically the Southeast, which is D downballot, but even then, that doesnt work on the rest of the state.

[ajwiopjawefoiwefnwn]

Trump won big in Ohio due to flameout of former gov Ted Strickland

[Adam Griffin]

High unemployment in TN during the Recession? Shocked - SHOCKED - I tell you!

[UWS]

Trump won big in Ohio due to flameout of former gov Ted Strickland

By the way, I think it was also because Clinton campaigned much less in Ohio than Trump did apparently.

[Virginiá]

Here's what could help Blackburn against Bredesen : during Bredesen's time as Governor (2003-2011), he raised taxes by nearly $1 billion and here's the result. It caused an increase of unemployment in Tennessee from 5.6 % in 2003 to 9 % in 2011 while getting at its highest rate in 2009 which was 10.5 %. I think that's a good hit for Blackburn to describe Bredesen as too liberal for Tennessee.

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/news/story/2010/dec/28/bredesen-tax-legacy-may-be-tough-act-to-follow/37946/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/190725/unemployment-rate-in-tennessee-since-1992/

But there was a recession. That wasn't Bredesen's fault. I'm sure Blackburn can and will hit him on it, but it's not the hardest for him to refute. Although, I will say that it would put him on defense, and it's generally not good to have to respond to attacks like that.

[pbrower2a]

True. The decisions to push subprime mortgages with predatory lending wasn't made in Tennessee.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Trump won big in Ohio due to flameout of former gov Ted Strickland

By the way, I think it was also because Clinton campaigned much less in Ohio than Trump did apparently.

Bredesen isnt like Strickland, but polling at the end always evens out between the parties, 2014 and 2016 proved that eventhough GOP won, and a red TN is GOP holding their own against another Frm Gov

[here2view]

High unemployment in TN during the Recession? Shocked - SHOCKED - I tell you!

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Bredesen had better do damage control, fast:

https://freebeacon.com/politics/tennessee-dem-spokesman-f-k-reaching-trump-voters-idiots-arent-listening/

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Bredesen can't afford ANY political injuries in a state like Tennessee.

Wut?

Unrelated dem operative is mean to Republicans on twitter? That's the thing Beedesen needs to do damage control over?

If he does not do damage control, does he not run the good chance of being  pegged as a liberal trying to disguise himself as a moderate.  It seems to me the door has been opened.

I am not sure how unrelated the operative is.

Actually if yall knew what you were doing you would not use this hardly relevant thing to peg him as a moderate disguiser, there is information out that Bredi has spent nearly half a million dollars bankrolling national candidates like Hillary Clinton, now that is what would really twist his arm if yall used it enough.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/phil-bredesen-spent-460-691-bankrolling-liberal-democratic-candidates%3f_amp=true

[OneJ]

I find it amusing that we still have people here who think Bredesen’s a liberal.

[IceSpear]

Guys, voters are dumb. The fact that unemployment obviously rose during the recession and fell afterward is not something that would enter most of their thought processes naturally.