Protestors Topple Confederate Monument in North Carolina

[ProudModerate2]

It is really remarkable that Americans are now further from achieving Lincoln's dream of national unity than they were in 1890; there are people in this thread right now who feel more animosity towards the Confederacy than did many of the men who actually fought against it.

That most of you seem to view the civil war as 'WWII on American soil' is an indictment of the American educational system.

And exactly why should we not feel animosity towards people who were fighting to protect slavery?

Everyone practiced slavery at that time including blacks in Africa who sold their siblings as animals, The left is pathetic.

Actually, the US was one of the last countries to abolish slavery and it needed a war to do it. It was the last functioning democracy to do so. Only Spain, Portugal, Brazil and a handful of semi autonomous Arab states had not abolished slavery by the time of the civil war.

If only some of these Deplorables would have taken their studies seriously in high school world history, they would have known such basic facts.

[Mr. Reactionary]

It is really remarkable that Americans are now further from achieving Lincoln's dream of national unity than they were in 1890; there are people in this thread right now who feel more animosity towards the Confederacy than did many of the men who actually fought against it.

That most of you seem to view the civil war as 'WWII on American soil' is an indictment of the American educational system.

And exactly why should we not feel animosity towards people who were fighting to protect slavery?

Everyone practiced slavery at that time

Not everyone. The United States of America did though.

[Kamala]

I'm about as anti-CSA as they come, but I think there is a difference between flying the Confederate flag (completely against this) and having a statue of a person who happened to be in a Confederate state (Robert E. Lee).  Robert E. Lee was an American general long before the Civil War, and a statue of him in his home state is no great offense.  With that said, I will agree with Grumps: if states and cities want to remove these statues and monuments, I will cheer that decision as an act of patriotism and putting behind us one of the darkest hours in the South's history, but vandalism is extreme.

On top of what others have said, Benedict Arnold was also a General in the Continental army before his treason, yet we don't see many statues of him around, do we? In the end, I would say that Lee's eventual defection to the Confederacy makes him a traitor in my eyes, despite being pardoned.

[Daniel909012]

In Spain the monuments to Franco still are conserved and only the communists bet to remove them, State referendum in each state on the monuments, The violent left and antifa would refuse to know that the result would not favor them?

[Kamala]

In Spain the monuments to Franco still are conserved and only the communists bet to remove them, State referendum in each state on the monuments, The violent left and antifa would refuse to know that the result would not favor them?

This is literally false:

- All statues of Franco in the city of Santander were removed by 2008
- Ceuta's "Franco's feet" were removed in 2010
- Busts and statues in Madrid, Zaragoza, and Valencia were removed
- Large statues in Ferrol and Valencia were moved into museums

[ProudModerate2]

In Spain the monuments to Franco still are conserved and only the communists bet to remove them, State referendum in each state on the monuments, The violent left and antifa would refuse to know that the result would not favor them?

This is literally false:

- All statues of Franco in the city of Santander were removed by 2008
- Ceuta's "Franco's feet" were removed in 2010
- Busts and statues in Madrid, Zaragoza, and Valencia were removed
- Large statues in Ferrol and Valencia were moved into museums

Daniel909012,
Please stop spreading Fake News. You and the Orange-Haired Clown are too alike.

[Daniel909012]

In Spain the monuments to Franco still are conserved and only the communists bet to remove them, State referendum in each state on the monuments, The violent left and antifa would refuse to know that the result would not favor them?

This is literally false:

- All statues of Franco in the city of Santander were removed by 2008
- Ceuta's "Franco's feet" were removed in 2010
- Busts and statues in Madrid, Zaragoza, and Valencia were removed
- Large statues in Ferrol and Valencia were moved into museums

The monuments are only removed in the cities governed by the communists of Podemos or where the Psoe governs with iu, or in independentistas cities, And keeping them has won in multiple referendum.
https://www.google.com.mx/amp/www.elperiodico.com/es/amp/noticias/politica/unos-7700-simbolos-franquistas-sobreviven-catalunya-anos-despues-507777

https://www.google.com.mx/amp/www.elperiodico.com/es/amp/noticias/politica/resultado-consulta-monumento-franquista-tortosa-favor-mantenerlo-5165252

Even the monarchy and the ruling party were established by Franco.

[Adam Griffin]

In Spain the monuments to Franco still are conserved and only the communists bet to remove them, State referendum in each state on the monuments, The violent left and antifa would refuse to know that the result would not favor them?

Your employer needs to invest in some English lessons if they're going to pay you to troll on a full-time basis. Most Americans couldn't care less about what foreigners think in a domestic situation - you should at least be able to play the part convincingly if you're gonna do this.

[Daniel909012]

In Spain the monuments to Franco still are conserved and only the communists bet to remove them, State referendum in each state on the monuments, The violent left and antifa would refuse to know that the result would not favor them?

Your employer needs to invest in some English lessons if they're going to pay you to troll on a full-time basis. Most Americans couldn't care less about what foreigners think in a domestic situation - you should at least be able to play the part convincingly if you're gonna do this.

By the way I have citizenship I am half American lol
The pathetic left is afraid of referendum.

[Kamala]

In Spain the monuments to Franco still are conserved and only the communists bet to remove them, State referendum in each state on the monuments, The violent left and antifa would refuse to know that the result would not favor them?

Your employer needs to invest in some English lessons if they're going to pay you to troll on a full-time basis. Most Americans couldn't care less about what foreigners think in a domestic situation - you should at least be able to play the part convincingly if you're gonna do this.

By the way I have citizenship I am half American lol
The pathetic left is afraid of referendum,

Looks like we have something in common with the Spanish government then.

[Daniel909012]

In Spain the monuments to Franco still are conserved and only the communists bet to remove them, State referendum in each state on the monuments, The violent left and antifa would refuse to know that the result would not favor them?

Your employer needs to invest in some English lessons if they're going to pay you to troll on a full-time basis. Most Americans couldn't care less about what foreigners think in a domestic situation - you should at least be able to play the part convincingly if you're gonna do this.

By the way I have citizenship I am half American lol
The pathetic left is afraid of referendum,

Looks like we have something in common with the Spanish government then.

In terms of violence the Democrats are quite similar to podemos and bildu

[Skunk]

Places where confederate monuments belong:

-in museums
-in the trash

[publicunofficial]

In Spain the monuments to Franco still are conserved and only the communists bet to remove them, State referendum in each state on the monuments, The violent left and antifa would refuse to know that the result would not favor them?

Your employer needs to invest in some English lessons if they're going to pay you to troll on a full-time basis. Most Americans couldn't care less about what foreigners think in a domestic situation - you should at least be able to play the part convincingly if you're gonna do this.

By the way I have citizenship I am half American lol
The pathetic left is afraid of referendum.

Why? The left is the one that wins the popular vote.

[Brittain33]

Durham (or Durham County) would have taken down the statue by now if the state legislature, which is highly gerrymandered to a Republican supermajority, hadn't passed a law making it impossible for local governments to remove confederate monuments without approval from a state historical commission.

But what is your position on how this monument came down?

I'm not a fan.

[Daniel909012]

In Spain the monuments to Franco still are conserved and only the communists bet to remove them, State referendum in each state on the monuments, The violent left and antifa would refuse to know that the result would not favor them?

Your employer needs to invest in some English lessons if they're going to pay you to troll on a full-time basis. Most Americans couldn't care less about what foreigners think in a domestic situation - you should at least be able to play the part convincingly if you're gonna do this.

By the way I have citizenship I am half American lol
The pathetic left is afraid of referendum.

Why? The left is the one that wins the popular vote.

Not in the south and that's where the monuments are

[Brittain33]

It is really remarkable that Americans are now further from achieving Lincoln's dream of national unity than they were in 1890

Yes, the U.S. of 1890 was a paradise of racial equality and unity compared to today. Jeez.

[HisGrace]

In Spain the monuments to Franco still are conserved and only the communists bet to remove them, State referendum in each state on the monuments, The violent left and antifa would refuse to know that the result would not favor them?

Your employer needs to invest in some English lessons if they're going to pay you to troll on a full-time basis. Most Americans couldn't care less about what foreigners think in a domestic situation - you should at least be able to play the part convincingly if you're gonna do this.

By the way I have citizenship I am half American lol
The pathetic left is afraid of referendum.

Why? The left is the one that wins the popular vote.

I think if anyone's afraid of a referendum it's the people who freak out anytime someone suggests abolishing the electoral college.

[TheSaint250]

The Confederacy's legacy must only be looked at in museums to teach Americans what not to do again. It is disgraceful to honor it

[KingSweden]

The Confederacy's legacy must only be looked at in museums to teach Americans what not to do again. It is disgraceful to honor it

[GeorgiaModerate]

I mentioned this in another thread but it's probably better here.  Interesting article on the history of Confederate monuments: https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/8/15/16153220/trump-confederate-statues

[DrScholl]

At least they didn't drive a car into a crowd of people and kill someone. Legal or not, one less confederate statue standing is hardly some big loss.

[Cashew]

We need to stop pretending that the main motive behind constructing a monument is some vague, bland, and impartial desire to preserve history, because it's not. The Washington monument was created to honor Washington, the Lincoln memorial was created to Honor Lincoln, and likewise the various confederate monuments were intended to promote the confederacy. It is safe to assume that most monuments are intended to promote some idea, person, or ideology, the difference is that the causes that Washington and Lincoln fought for were both commendable, while the confederate is worthy of only revulsion.

[Mr. Reactionary]

www.heraldsun.com/news/local/counties/durham-county/article167300007.html


"The protester who climbed a ladder to help bring down a Confederate soldier statue was arrested Tuesday, and Sheriff Mike Andrews said his office will pursue felony charges against others."

Apparently she's a commie. Reds, Nazis, Confederates ... are we going to have Tories poping up next?

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[SNJ1985]

It is really remarkable that Americans are now further from achieving Lincoln's dream of national unity than they were in 1890; there are people in this thread right now who feel more animosity towards the Confederacy than did many of the men who actually fought against it.

That most of you seem to view the civil war as 'WWII on American soil' is an indictment of the American educational system.

I don't know why modern leftists seem to think that all of the men who actually fought the Confederates and the Nazis would be on their side today.

If George S. Patton were alive today, he would almost certainly have a higher opinion of Trump and the alt-right than the modern left. Patton does not strike me as someone who would be marching in BLM rallies, fighting for ''LGBT rights'', preaching about ''white privilege'', etc. if he were alive today.

It was mostly white, working class Christian men (who comprise most of the Republican base today) that defeated the Confederates and the Nazis. I don't even think most of the men who served in the Red Army would be SJWs today. Just look at how right-wing Russia is nowadays.