1932 without the Great Depression

[MR DARK BRANDON]

What woould 1932 look like if the Great Depression Never happened?

Discuss with maps please.

[West_Midlander]

Hoover wins by a safe margin. FDR continues as NY Governor and is re-elected multiples times, he might continue as Governor or serve as a US Senator until his death. I could see Roosevelt living until sometime in the 50s with the lack of stress from handling WWII and the Great Depression.

[Kingpoleon]

292: Charles W. Bryan/Alfred Smith
239: Herbert Hoover/Charles Curtis


1933-1941: Charles W. Bryan/Alfred Smith
1941-1944: Sen. Hiram Johnson/District Attorney Thomas Dewey
1944-1945: VP Thomas Dewey/vacant
1945-1953: Pres. Thomas Dewey/Gen. Theodore Roosevelt, Jr.(R-MA)
1953-1961: Gen. Douglas MacArthur(D-PA)/Speaker Sam Rayburn
1961-1962: Sen. Dwight Green(R-IL)/Sen. John P. Kennedy, Jr.(R-MA)
1962-1969: VP John P. Kennedy, Jr.(R-MA)/Gov. Theodore McKeldin(R-MD)
1969-1977: Sen. Stuart Symington(D-MO)/Gov. Sam Yorty(D-CA)
1977-1982: Gov. John Lindsay(R-NY)/Sen. Edward Brooke(R-MA)
1982-198?: VP Edward Brooke(R-MA)/Sen. Ed Zschau(R-CA)

Unsure about after that.

[BuckeyeNut]

292: Charles W. Bryan/Alfred Smith
239: Herbert Hoover/Charles Curtis


1933-1941: Charles W. Bryan/Alfred Smith
1941-1944: Sen. Hiram Johnson/District Attorney Thomas Dewey
1944-1945: VP Thomas Dewey/vacant
1945-1953: Pres. Thomas Dewey/Gen. Theodore Roosevelt, Jr.(R-MA)
1953-1961: Gen. Douglas MacArthur(D-PA)/Speaker Sam Rayburn
1961-1962: Sen. Dwight Green(R-IL)/Sen. John P. Kennedy, Jr.(R-MA)
1962-1969: VP John P. Kennedy, Jr.(R-MA)/Gov. Theodore McKeldin(R-MD)
1969-1977: Sen. Stuart Symington(D-MO)/Gov. Sam Yorty(D-CA)
1977-1982: Gov. John Lindsay(R-NY)/Sen. Edward Brooke(R-MA)
1982-198?: VP Edward Brooke(R-MA)/Sen. Ed Zschau(R-CA)

Unsure about after that.

MacArthur was a Republican, IRL.

[Kingpoleon]

Yes, but Smith's wing clearly took over the party in this timeline, allying with Midwestern and Southern conservatives.

[MR DARK BRANDON]

Hoover wins by a safe margin. FDR continues as NY Governor and is re-elected multiples times, he might continue as Governor or serve as a US Senator until his death. I could see Roosevelt living until sometime in the 50s with the lack of stress from handling WWII and the Great Depression.

What would the map look like?

[Lord Admirale]

President Herbert Hoover (R-CA)/Vice President Charles Curtis (R-KS) - 337 EV
Governor Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY)/House Minority Leader John Nance Garner (D-TX) - 194 EV

Assuming the economy is still booming.

[OSR stands with Israel]

FDR 268
Hoover 263

[DeSantis4Prez]

FDR/Garner: 269 EV
Hoover/Curtis: 262 EV

[Agonized-Statism]

President Herbert Hoover (R-CA) / Vice President Charles Curtis (R-KS) ✓
Governor Franklin Roosevelt (D-NY) / Congressman John Garner (D-TX)

FDR expands the map because of the Farm Crisis, but it's not enough without the New Deal Coalition. He would just a less charismatic, spoiled rich kid version of William Jennings Bryan.

[Chips]

President Hoover: 396 electoral votes
Franklin Roosevelt: 135 electoral votes

[Alben Barkley]

President Herbert Hoover (R-CA) / Vice President Charles Curtis (R-KS) ✓
Governor Franklin Roosevelt (D-NY) / Congressman John Garner (D-TX)

FDR expands the map because of the Farm Crisis, but it's not enough without the New Deal Coalition. He would just a less charismatic, spoiled rich kid version of William Jennings Bryan.

...You think FDR was LESS charismatic than WJB??

FDR might well be the single most charismatic presidential candidate in American history. What the hell are you on???

[Agonized-Statism]

President Herbert Hoover (R-CA) / Vice President Charles Curtis (R-KS) ✓
Governor Franklin Roosevelt (D-NY) / Congressman John Garner (D-TX)

FDR expands the map because of the Farm Crisis, but it's not enough without the New Deal Coalition. He would just a less charismatic, spoiled rich kid version of William Jennings Bryan.

...You think FDR was LESS charismatic than WJB??

FDR might well be the single most charismatic presidential candidate in American history. What the hell are you on???

Or maybe he got the best possible situation for a presidential candidate in recent American history, where the opposition party is 100% discredited for decades, and the rally-around-the-flag effect of WWII coupled with the mysterious assassination of potentially his most formidable challenger kept his coalition going.

[TheElectoralBoobyPrize]

Why do so many people think FDR is still the Democratic nominee? He was a savvy enough politician that he would have waited for an open seat race in 1936 sans the Depression.

[Agonized-Statism]

Why do so many people think FDR is still the Democratic nominee? He was a savvy enough politician that he would have waited for an open seat race in 1936 sans the Depression.

I thought about that, but with the Dust Bowl still a thing he might have thought he'd have a chance. If not Roosevelt, though, it could have been Al Smith again in 1932.

[Huey Long is a Republican]

By all accounts, FDR likely would've stayed out of the 1932 Election if there was no Depression. That was his initial plan, as he was looking towards 1936 because he believed early on that Hoover's re-election was inevitable. So if 1929 was more a Panic and minor recession rather than a Depression, then FDR isn't running. As for who the Dems nominate in 1932, they would want to save any good candidate (Hull/FDR/ect) for 1936 when Hoover retires from politics and someone runs in his place. Garner really ran an active campaign for the Presidency in 1932, so if anything we might get Hoover v Smith 2.0. For more info on this, talk to my friend Octosteel. I can try and get people in touch with them if interested, since they have more knowledge on this subject than myself.

[MR DARK BRANDON]

By all accounts, FDR likely would've stayed out of the 1932 Election if there was no Depression. That was his initial plan, as he was looking towards 1936 because he believed early on that Hoover's re-election was inevitable. So if 1929 was more a Panic and minor recession rather than a Depression, then FDR isn't running. As for who the Dems nominate in 1932, they would want to save any good candidate (Hull/FDR/ect) for 1936 when Hoover retires from politics and someone runs in his place. Garner really ran an active campaign for the Presidency in 1932, so if anything we might get Hoover v Smith 2.0. For more info on this, talk to my friend Octosteel. I can try and get people in touch with them if interested, since they have more knowledge on this subject than myself.

I think he would have won 1936 tho.

[Huey Long is a Republican]

By all accounts, FDR likely would've stayed out of the 1932 Election if there was no Depression. That was his initial plan, as he was looking towards 1936 because he believed early on that Hoover's re-election was inevitable. So if 1929 was more a Panic and minor recession rather than a Depression, then FDR isn't running. As for who the Dems nominate in 1932, they would want to save any good candidate (Hull/FDR/ect) for 1936 when Hoover retires from politics and someone runs in his place. Garner really ran an active campaign for the Presidency in 1932, so if anything we might get Hoover v Smith 2.0. For more info on this, talk to my friend Octosteel. I can try and get people in touch with them if interested, since they have more knowledge on this subject than myself.

I think he would have won 1936 tho.

Depends on who he's facing. If he's facing a superstar like his cousin TR Jr., it'll be tough and he'll probably lose. If he faces someone like Patterson or the like, he wins, but barely. By this time in history, the Democratic Party were known for four things : Rum, Romanism, Rebellion, and Economic Downturn. Your grandparents and parents would be able to tell you about how bad the recessions under Cleveland and Wilson were but will tell about the economic progress under McKinley, Roosevelt, Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover (before the Depression). The other three things America deeply disliked. Why else do you think every Democratic Victory between the end of the Civil War and 1932 excluding the insanity of 1912 was so close? Because people associated the Democrats as the Party that isn't good for America. Each victory was slim and happened only because of a single state, New York in 1884 and 1892 and California in 1916, due to the failings of the campaign of the Republican Candidate (Blaine and Harrison against Cleveland, Hughes against Wilson).

A better choice for FDR would be to try make his own political party shortly after the 1932 election, rally support and attract disaffected Dems to said party in the in between years and then run in 1936 under that party. The Democrats were dying out by the 30s (The Republicans were making interesting gains into the once solid south in the 1920s), the Depression saved them. Period.