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« on: July 19, 2017, 04:55:31 PM »

In 2012, Romney literally was not qualified AND was not ready to be President because he called Russia our #1 geopolitical foe. Obama and Democrats would routinely MOCK Romney for his Russian comments.

In 2016, Russia is responsible for everything regarding Trump's win. Russia is now enemy #1 (of course, in 2012, being anti-Russia belonged in the 1980s). Hell, we should restart the Cold War because John Podesta clicked on a phishing email and entered his password (which is literally p@ssw0rd).

So it seems the Democrats are pro or anti-Russia when it suits them. Question: do you think they will be pro or anti-Russia in 2020? If Trump is still pro-Russia, then I assume anti-Russia.
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2017, 05:01:05 PM »

Keep in mind that Obama was 'pro-russia' in 2008 and this went against the establishment Dem consensus on Russia (as voiced by Hillary). Ultimately, it comes down to the candidate. Hillary was anti-russia in 2016, so Dems are still in that mindset, whoever wins the nomination, the Dems will modulate into supporting their Foreign policy views.
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2017, 05:01:33 PM »

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That was his Windows 8 login, not his Gmail password.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/jan/06/jesse-watters/claim-john-podestas-email-password-was-password-la/
Democrats aren't going to be pro-Russia in 2020. Probably not pro-Iran, either.
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2017, 05:04:13 PM »

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That was his Windows 8 login, not his Gmail password.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/jan/06/jesse-watters/claim-john-podestas-email-password-was-password-la/
Democrats aren't going to be pro-Russia in 2020. Probably not pro-Iran, either.
I know.

It was his password for Twitter too - either that or runner1234. Something super obvious.

The guy was such a clown he literally lost his phone in a cab once.

It blows my mind some people want to restart the Cold War because Podesta fell for the most obvious phishing scam ever.
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2017, 05:05:52 PM »

Keep in mind that Obama was 'pro-russia' in 2008 and this went against the establishment Dem consensus on Russia (as voiced by Hillary). Ultimately, it comes down to the candidate. Hillary was anti-russia in 2016, so Dems are still in that mindset, whoever wins the nomination, the Dems will modulate into supporting their Foreign policy views.
Was Hillary anti-Russia in 2008? I don't remember too well. I remember she tried real hard as Secretary of State to block Russian sanctions and the Magnistky Act though. The Magnistky Act wouldn't get passed for like 2 years because of her and Obama's efforts.
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2017, 05:08:05 PM »

Keep in mind that Obama was 'pro-russia' in 2008 and this went against the establishment Dem consensus on Russia (as voiced by Hillary). Ultimately, it comes down to the candidate. Hillary was anti-russia in 2016, so Dems are still in that mindset, whoever wins the nomination, the Dems will modulate into supporting their Foreign policy views.
Was Hillary anti-Russia in 2008? I don't remember too well. I remember she tried real hard as Secretary of State to block Russian sanctions and the Magnistky Act though. The Magnistky Act wouldn't get passed for like 2 years because of her and Obama's efforts.

She had the same exact foreign policy views in 2008.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/01/hillary-putin-doesnt-have-a-soul-005126

Of course, everything is relative, relative to a normal republican, she wouldn't be as bad for Putin.
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2017, 05:22:24 PM »

I think there's a difference between not actualizing the Russian threat and obstinately ignoring the colossally disastrous interference the way Trump is.
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2017, 05:26:41 PM »

Well the Democratic Democrat party is already indicted in your eyes, so it doesn't matter which one, does it? Why are you even asking?

For others interested... it will be pro-Russia, as it always is. But it will be pro-coherence of the U.S. and adherence to U.S. law, which means opposition to any collusion by Trump. If you get the two confused, you'll trip up.
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2017, 05:30:26 PM »

Keep in mind that Obama was 'pro-russia' in 2008 and this went against the establishment Dem consensus on Russia (as voiced by Hillary). Ultimately, it comes down to the candidate. Hillary was anti-russia in 2016, so Dems are still in that mindset, whoever wins the nomination, the Dems will modulate into supporting their Foreign policy views.
Was Hillary anti-Russia in 2008? I don't remember too well. I remember she tried real hard as Secretary of State to block Russian sanctions and the Magnistky Act though. The Magnistky Act wouldn't get passed for like 2 years because of her and Obama's efforts.

She had the same exact foreign policy views in 2008.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/01/hillary-putin-doesnt-have-a-soul-005126

Of course, everything is relative, relative to a normal republican, she wouldn't be as bad for Putin.
Now that I think about it, Clinton was one of the more reasonable Democrats in 2012 when it came to Russia and Romney. All she said was "I think it's a bit dated to be looking backwards" but other than that didn't criticize Romney too much.

Clinton did though still say it was dated and that Russia was an ally: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/01/clinton-takes-aim-at-romneys-remarks-on-russia/

Other Democrats like Obama kept mocking Romney, making fun of him, calling him unqualified, etc. etc. Biden called him a Cold War hangover and thought Romney made a gaffe. John Kerry said Romney gets his foreign policy from Rocky IV.

Democrats were BRUTAL to Romney's Russia stance in 2012 and it's one of the reason I tune out when they go on about Russia these days.
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2017, 05:36:12 PM »

Well the Democratic Democrat party is already indicted in your eyes, so it doesn't matter which one, does it? Why are you even asking?

For others interested... it will be pro-Russia, as it always is. But it will be pro-coherence of the U.S. and adherence to U.S. law, which means opposition to any collusion by Trump. If you get the two confused, you'll trip up.
The RT has had many anti-Trump reports as well. Hell, the first thing RT said after Trump won was that Trump has an ego the size of Asia and is beyond arrogant. The anchor was Ed Schultz. The complete opposite of a conservative.

I don't think Putin was trying to "exploit" anything really. Putin did the same thing in 2012 when he said he preferred Obama over Romney. Obama is not right wing.

One thing that weirds me out is that Obama told Trump to "stop whining" and would continuously mock his low poll numbers when Trump would claim the election was rigged or hacked. Obama told Trump it's IMPOSSIBLE to hack the election. Then a month ago WaPo comes out with an article detailing how Obama was worried Russia would hack election day machines? Give me a break!
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