Biden in the general election

[TDAS04]

If Joe Biden is the Democratic nominee, how do think he would do?  Would he win, and would the former VP be stronger than the typical Democratic candidate?   

Discuss with maps.

[The Undefeatable Debbie Stabenow]

Both Ohio and NC would probably tilt D but would be too close to call for a while.

I think Biden would certainly win. He's a strong debator and is overall very likable, with appeal in the Midwest. He would perform better than maybe 75% of other potential Democratic candidates, if not being the most likely to win.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

He would shred thru trump like a piranha (figuratively). He would probably also take back a lot of the blue collar white vote that defected to Trump last year.

[RFKFan68]

Florida, Ohio, and North Carolina are true toss-ups. I can't even predict. Biden has no problem winning back Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, and Iowa swings back to Biden due to him actually contesting the state and not coming off as metropolitan as Hillary.

[Liberalrocks]

Something like this, Ohio and Iowa may also flip but Im inclined to think Trump pulls in at least 200 electoral votes so I left them with him by narrow margins.

[Holmes]

Florida, Ohio, and North Carolina are true toss-ups. I can't even predict. Biden has no problem winning back Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, and Iowa swings back to Biden due to him actually contesting the state and not coming off as metropolitan as Hillary.

Florida is probably going to be more Democratic than Iowa going forward.

[President Johnson]

Yes, he would win big league.

Former Vice President Joseph R. Biden (D-DE)/Senator Kamala Harris (D-CA): 341 EV. (51.75%)
President Donald J. Trump (R-NY)/Vice President Michael R. Pence (R-IN): 197 EV. (46.28%)

[Dr. Arch]

Something like this, Ohio and Iowa may also flip but Im inclined to think Trump pulls in at least 200 electoral votes so I left them with him by narrow margins.

[twenty42]

Biden looks good now after the Hillary debacle, but the general election season is a horse of a different color. He's extremely gaffe-prone and he doesn't exactly have a squeaky-clean past, and Trump will be just as hard on him as he was on Hillary.

[super6646]

Can maybe be an option in the poll? Biden is hardly a perfect candidate, and it will depend on the next 3 and a half years of Trump's presidency.

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

Biden looks good now after the Hillary debacle, but the general election season is a horse of a different color. He's extremely gaffe-prone and he doesn't exactly have a squeaky-clean past, and Trump will be just as hard on him as he was on Hillary.

This is true of President Trump as well...

[GGover]

Biden looks good now after the Hillary debacle, but the general election season is a horse of a different color. He's extremely gaffe-prone and he doesn't exactly have a squeaky-clean past, and Trump will be just as hard on him as he was on Hillary.

This is true of President Trump as well...

Agreed. And 3.5 years from now, Trump will actually have a record that he has to defend.

[Progressive]

I just think the email situation is what ultimately did Hillary in.

[NewYorkExpress]

Biden/Kamala Harris 297 51%
Trump/Pence 247 48.1%

Biden makes many gaffes, but Independents break sharply towards him after he agrees to serve only one term (to neutralize his age) and his pick of Harris is widely seen as a good foil to Pence (compared to Tim Kaine in 2016).

[GGover]

It's just Obama's '08 map with Missouri and Montana flipped to the Dems.

[Kamala]

Biden has gained somewhat of a "teflon layer," thanks to the rosy view that the Obama administration is now taken in. He's less divisive than Obama, and almost a good ol boy in many parts of the country. Gaffes could just be seen as him "saying it like it is"

[twenty42]

Biden has gained somewhat of a "teflon layer," thanks to the rosy view that the Obama administration is now taken in. He's less divisive than Obama, and almost a good ol boy in many parts of the country. Gaffes could just be seen as him "saying it like it is"

Hillary was looked upon with similar fondness at this time in 2013. The election season has a way of diminishing that.

That's what kind of makes me laugh at these threads about Biden, Sanders, etc. They look nice now, but they haven't been dragged through the mud of a general election. People act like Hillary is/was the only Democratic politician with baggage and now whomever the nominee is in 2020 will glide to an easy victory over Trump. It doesn't work like that.

[twenty42]

Isn't Biden only 14 months younger than Sanders? I mean, the "Sanders is too old" argument is very common but apparently the same doesn't apply for Biden.

They are both too old and I don't think either one will be the nominee.

[SoLongAtlas]

He would win going away bigly.

[MAINEiac4434]

Biden looks good now after the Hillary debacle, but the general election season is a horse of a different color. He's extremely gaffe-prone and he doesn't exactly have a squeaky-clean past, and Trump will be just as hard on him as he was on Hillary.

ME-01 as a tossup lol

[Alabama_Indy10]

Just like in 2016, I believe y'all are underestimating Trump.

[Mr. Morden]

Isn't Biden only 14 months younger than Sanders? I mean, the "Sanders is too old" argument is very common but apparently the same doesn't apply for Biden.

In both cases, I think their age is very likely going to deter them from running in the first place.  But if they do run, then (assuming no health issues crop up during the campaign) I don't see age being a significant electoral drag for either of them.

[Mr. Smith]

Biden couldn't even go toe to toe with a robot who threw away 1988 because only a robot would lose to someone less glamorous than Hillary '16!

He couldn't pull it off in 2008 against two lightweights with cute messages and a predator-enabler either (pity one of those lightweights got into office  and let 2010 and 2014 be as disastrous as they were)

And he sat out of  1992, 2000, 2004, and 2016 when he arguably had the best shot.

Also, what's to say Trump don't call Biden idk, Lyin' Biden...after all Crooked Hillary became a thing despite her clearly being less crooked.

So yeah, not buying it with him at this point.

[Beet]

Biden would be 77 years old, close to the average life expectancy. If he won and then won re-election, he would be 85 years old by the end of his presidency. Also, if he was a woman he wouldn't have a chance, because progressives wouldn't let him get away with his sponsorship of the 1994 crime bill or the 2005 bankruptcy bill, or his vote for the Iraq war. Since he's a man, these things won't hurt him a lot, but he's still too old.

[Bea O'Problem]