Arnold had sex with 16 year old

[dazzleman]

If this had come out about Bill Clinton, Democrats would be vociferously arguing that it made no difference.

But now we're supposed to take seriously a 30-year-old relationship simply because Schwarzenegger is a Republican.

If this were recent, it would be a big issue, but since it took place in 1975, who cares?  Standards were different back then in any case, and it was a long, long time ago.

And it's ridiculous to think that the Democrats are going to howl in outrage over this when we all know full they that they would defend it if it involved one of their patron saints.

[dazzleman]

If this had come out about Bill Clinton, Democrats would be vociferously arguing that it made no difference.

But now we're supposed to take seriously a 30-year-old relationship simply because Schwarzenegger is a Republican.

If this were recent, it would be a big issue, but since it took place in 1975, who cares?  Standards were different back then in any case, and it was a long, long time ago.

And it's ridiculous to think that the Democrats are going to howl in outrage over this when we all know full they that they would defend it if it involved one of their patron saints.

Monica was 24 or 25. See the difference?

And Bill Clinton was 50 at the time.  Arnold was what, 23 or 24 in 1975?

[dazzleman]

If this had come out about Bill Clinton, Democrats would be vociferously arguing that it made no difference.

But now we're supposed to take seriously a 30-year-old relationship simply because Schwarzenegger is a Republican.

If this were recent, it would be a big issue, but since it took place in 1975, who cares?  Standards were different back then in any case, and it was a long, long time ago.

And it's ridiculous to think that the Democrats are going to howl in outrage over this when we all know full they that they would defend it if it involved one of their patron saints.

Monica was 24 or 25. See the difference?

And Bill Clinton was 50 at the time.  Arnold was what, 23 or 24 in 1975?

28. The law says that 16 and 28 is bad news. It doesn't say anything about 50 and 25.

Whatever.  I really don't give a s**t about what Arnold did in 1975.  If he did it in 2000, then talk to me.  What are you going to dig up next, that he got a speeding ticket in 1980, or maybe he got caught chewing gum once when he was in school and had to stay after?

It's pretty pathetic that you have to go back this far.  Are you motivated by anything but hate?  If so, I haven't seen it.  It's not as if it comes as a big surprise that Arnold had a wild sex life in his youth, and maybe still does to some degree.  I think that was well known before he was elected governor of California.

As Cashcow said, he's better than Davis.

[dazzleman]

The people arguing that this is old news that happened a long time ago seem to have missed the illegal hush money paid to her to keep quiet.

How is it illegal?  How many women did Clinton pay off to keep quiet, and prevent more bimbo eruptions?

I would take this a lot more seriously coming from you if I didn't know that you'd be defending this exact same behavior vociferously if we were talking about a liberal Democrat.

[dazzleman]

The people arguing that this is old news that happened a long time ago seem to have missed the illegal hush money paid to her to keep quiet.

How is it illegal?  How many women did Clinton pay off to keep quiet, and prevent more bimbo eruptions?

I would take this a lot more seriously coming from you if I didn't know that you'd be defending this exact same behavior vociferously if we were talking about a liberal Democrat.

Unlike your hypotheticals with Clinton, we have real evidence here. When have I defended a curropt liberal Democrat? The curropt Democrats all seem to be moderates, like Traficant and Torricelli.

Traficant is a nut, and Torricelli is a vile liberal.  And I believe the blue semen-stained dress goes well beyond hypothetical.

[dazzleman]

The people arguing that this is old news that happened a long time ago seem to have missed the illegal hush money paid to her to keep quiet.

How is it illegal?  How many women did Clinton pay off to keep quiet, and prevent more bimbo eruptions?

I would take this a lot more seriously coming from you if I didn't know that you'd be defending this exact same behavior vociferously if we were talking about a liberal Democrat.

Unlike your hypotheticals with Clinton, we have real evidence here. When have I defended a curropt liberal Democrat? The curropt Democrats all seem to be moderates, like Traficant and Torricelli.

Traficant is a nut, and Torricelli is a vile liberal.  And I believe the blue semen-stained dress goes well beyond hypothetical.

He's a pro-war hack with support from right-wingers.

http://wsws.org/articles/2002/oct2002/torr-o03.shtml

Well, I guess that explains why he was corrupt.  After all, a liberal Democrat could never be corrupt.  Anything said about them is pure innuendo.  Ted Kennedy is as pure as the driven snow, and Chappaquiddick was made up by a vast right wing conspiracy.  Right?

[dazzleman]

Something Kennedy did 30 years ago is relevant but something Der Governater did 30 years ago isn't?

Well, there's a slight difference.  Kennedy left a girl dead.  As far as I can tell, Arnold's paramour is still alive.

[dazzleman]

The only article I found mention their age was  that he "met" Gigi Goyette when she was 16.  That's a lot different than they "had sex" when she was 16.

It also notes a 7 year relationship, much later.

Don't expect Jfern to get too concerned with minor details like that.  If he's going to go after Arnold, he ought to find something more compelling than possible 30-year-old sex.

[dazzleman]

Dazzleman,

Keep egging Jfern on.  I want to see his head explode like one of those femme-bots on Austin Powers.

[dazzleman]

If this had come out about Bill Clinton, Democrats would be vociferously arguing that it made no difference.

But now we're supposed to take seriously a 30-year-old relationship simply because Schwarzenegger is a Republican.

If this were recent, it would be a big issue, but since it took place in 1975, who cares?  Standards were different back then in any case, and it was a long, long time ago.

And it's ridiculous to think that the Democrats are going to howl in outrage over this when we all know full they that they would defend it if it involved one of their patron saints.

I would argue that it would make no difference with Bill Clinton, and I argue that it makes no difference with Arnold Schwartzenegger, too.  I honestly don't care if a politician has sex with an underage girl thirty years ago, regardless of what party the politician is in.  It has no bearing whatsoever on how well the politician is able to do his job, and the fact that anyone would care about this makes me lose a bit of faith in the human race.

I don't really agree with you here.  I would care if it were recent.  If Schwarzenegger were having sex with a 16-year-old girl now, I would be disgusted with it.  I think a politician's personal life has some bearing on his/her fitness for office, and I think that character counts.  But we don't have to go into every detail.  Still, sex with a minor is egregious.

But if it happened 30 years ago, I don't care.  I wouldn't want to be judged by things I did more than half my lifetime ago.  Clearly, people digging this up are just looking to make trouble for Schwarzenegger for other reasons, and want to use this.  They were outraged when a recent affair was used against Clinton, but think it's perfectly OK to bring up a 30 year old trist with Schwarzenegger.  Typical.

[dazzleman]

It's the "thirty years ago" part that's crucial in what I said.  If a 50-year-old politician is having sex with an underage girl right now, I think that would be fair game.  But thirty years ago?  It's not as if people can't reform; what the person is like right now is what matters.

In that case, we're in full agreement.