Trump Jr./Russian lawyer meeting: Jr. knew info was part of Russian Gov effort

[EnglishPete]

Junior is going to be on Hannity tonight, so that should be must watch TV

He'll cancel.

Nope. Already recorded, preview here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4_IB_AalPY

[The Other Castro]

Btw there is a handy dandy ignore button right over there, just saying.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Holy crud does ignoring Englishpete clear up the thread

[ApatheticAustrian]

Rancor at White House as Russia Story Refuses to Let the Page Turn
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/russia-trump.html


Donald Trump Jr.’s Russian Connection Has Ties to Former Kremlin Spies
http://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-jrs-russian-connection-has-ties-to-former-kremlin-spies

[Rookie Yinzer]

A political campaign soliciting this type of service from a foreign national is technically illegal.

[Nyvin]

Man checking on Twitter and other social media Trumpers are really trying to somehow make Jr a hero for being transparent. An that right there is why they chose Trump cause they now the RW will twist itself into a pretzel to defend "their side" no matter how blantenly bad

Good grief.  He only released the emails because he knew the Times was about to do so.

Plus of course the e-mails confirm that, contrary to the spin being put about, there was absolutely no crime committed.

Pete you aren't American so you are probably unaware that intent is a crime here

Intent to do what? Gather opposition research from a foreigner. That isn't a crime.

Campaign finance laws forbid the solicitation of anything of value from a foreign national.    Actually it is a crime.

[Yank2133]

A political campaign soliciting this type of service from a foreign national is technically illegal.

Yup.

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52 USC 30121, 36 USC 510

[Santander]

Kushner's influence has diminished after the Comey firing. Bannon took on Kushner against everyone's advice and won. Bannon's back in favor, and expect his role to grow. Bannon is a classic "son of a b****" that you want in your corner when the temperature rises and everyone else runs for cover.

I will add regarding legality that it probably depends on what was actually exchanged, which we do not know. As far as we know, there may have been nothing exchanged and the collusion attempt failed. Talking is not something of value.

[Yank2133]

Kushner's influence has diminished after the Comey firing. Bannon took on Kushner against everyone's advice and won. Bannon's back in favor, and expect his role to grow. Bannon is a classic "son of a b****" that you want in your corner when the temperature rises and everyone else runs for cover.

I will add regarding legality that it probably depends on what was actually exchanged, which we do not know. As far as we know, there may have been nothing exchanged and the collusion attempt failed. Talking is not something of value.

I don't think it matters, the email shows intent.

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[Santander]

Kushner's influence has diminished after the Comey firing. Bannon took on Kushner against everyone's advice and won. Bannon's back in favor, and expect his role to grow. Bannon is a classic "son of a b****" that you want in your corner when the temperature rises and everyone else runs for cover.

I will add regarding legality that it probably depends on what was actually exchanged, which we do not know. As far as we know, there may have been nothing exchanged and the collusion attempt failed. Talking is not something of value.

I don't think it matters, the email shows intent.

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"Information" is a rather vague word. I think the idea that speech is a "thing of value" is quite a stretch. The emails do open the door to the possibility that something of tangible value was exchanged, though. Certainly, if services such as information gathering were offered to and accepted by the campaign, that would be something of value.

[Nyvin]

Kushner's influence has diminished after the Comey firing. Bannon took on Kushner against everyone's advice and won. Bannon's back in favor, and expect his role to grow. Bannon is a classic "son of a b****" that you want in your corner when the temperature rises and everyone else runs for cover.

I will add regarding legality that it probably depends on what was actually exchanged, which we do not know. As far as we know, there may have been nothing exchanged and the collusion attempt failed. Talking is not something of value.

I don't think it matters, the email shows intent.

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"Information" is a rather vague word. I think the idea that speech is a "thing of value" is quite a stretch. The emails do open the door to the possibility that something of tangible value was exchanged, though. Certainly, if services such as information gathering were offered to and accepted by the campaign, that would be something of value.

Opposition research (or in this case...hacked emails...) are most definitely a thing of value.   And Don Jr's response of "I love it" is really all you need to show intent.  Whether or not they acquired what they sought is pretty redundant.  

[Santander]

Don Jr. on Hannity playing down the Russia meetings as just a favor he did for an acquaintance. Says that nothing substantive happened in the 20-minute meeting and he never told his father about it because it wasn't important.

[ApatheticAustrian]

'The [Don Jr] emails were discovered in recent weeks by members of Kushner's legal team'
https://twitter.com/tripgabriel/status/884950648688701440


Natalia Veselnitskaya, Lawyer Who Met Trump Jr., Seen as Fearsome Moscow Insider
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/world/europe/natalia-veselnitskaya-donald-trump-jr-russian-lawyer.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

[Virginiá]

Don Jr. on Hannity playing down the Russia meetings as just a favor he did for an acquaintance. Says that nothing substantive happened in the 20-minute meeting and he never told his father about it because it wasn't important.

Considering Trump announced a "big speech" on Hillary Clinton's misdeeds just hours after the meeting was confirmed, it sounds like junior is lying (not very surprising here)

[Santander]

Don Jr. on Hannity playing down the Russia meetings as just a favor he did for an acquaintance. Says that nothing substantive happened in the 20-minute meeting and he never told his father about it because it wasn't important.

Considering Trump announced a "big speech" on Hillary Clinton's misdeeds just hours after the meeting was confirmed, it sounds like junior is lying (not very surprising here)

He's a good son. Shame his father wouldn't do the same for him if their roles were reversed. (not that I'm endorsing "family over country")

[Devout Centrist]

Junior's gonna get an accidental Polonium stick or get pushed in front of a train.

[ProudModerate2]

Don Jr. on Hannity playing down the Russia meetings as just a favor he did for an acquaintance. Says that nothing substantive happened in the 20-minute meeting and he never told his father about it because it wasn't important.

Considering Trump announced a "big speech" on Hillary Clinton's misdeeds just hours after the meeting was confirmed, it sounds like junior is lying (not very surprising here)

You got to be a fool to believe that trump sr did not know about the meeting.
There is no doubt in my mind, that jr (and possibly Kushner and Manafort) informed the donald about the details of the meeting BEFORE it took place.
I mean seriously .... from jr's own words in the email, there was huge excitement from the prospect of obtaining damaging information about Hillary. This would have been shared with daddy.

[Mike Thick]

I remember when Don Jr. was on The Apprentice and our whole family called him "Trumpy" because he was such a dork. Those were simpler times.

[All Along The Watchtower]

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So he just casually hangs out with so many Russians that he can't remember that he had ever met them at all?

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

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So he just casually hangs out with so many Russians that he can't remember that he had ever met them at all?

Given the amount of shady Russian money pumped into Trump enterprises over the years, this seems entirely plausible.

[Tartarus Sauce]

This entire family will be up sh**t's creek without a paddle at the current rate this scandal is developing. This is what happens when you let incompetents who, after spending a lifetime getting away with things they shouldn't, think they will still be able to get away with things once they are under the scrutiny of the national spotlight run the country

[Dr. Arch]

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This has blown up nicely.

[EnglishPete]

Well this is interesting

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/07/11/curiousor-and-curiousor-natalia-veselnitskaya-pictured-with-obama-officals-in-dc-on-june-14th-2016/

Seems that there was collusion with foreign agents after all, just not by anyone on the Trump team.

[BudgieForce]

Well this is interesting

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/07/11/curiousor-and-curiousor-natalia-veselnitskaya-pictured-with-obama-officals-in-dc-on-june-14th-2016/

Seems that there was collusion with foreign agents after all, just not by anyone on the Trump team.

Stahp

[The Mikado]

By the way, Jared Kushner, a federal officeholder, managed to leave multiple visits with Russian government contacts off his disclosure form that you sign under threat of perjury.

Even if the rest of them end up OK, Kushner has a cut-and-dried perjury case in his future.