Trump Jr./Russian lawyer meeting: Jr. knew info was part of Russian Gov effort

[The Other Castro]

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[Virginiá]

I wonder if Mueller could find evidence of one or more of Trump's children engaging in some other crimes and use that to pressure them into flipping on papa Trump.

[ProudModerate2]

This smells bad.

[jman123]

He will dismiss it as #fakenews

[Crumpets]

He will dismiss it as #fakenews

One of the most suspicious things about Trump's behavior re: the Russia story is that he doesn't own it like all of his other scandals. Mexico sending rapists? I'm just telling it like it is! Bragging about sexual assault? It's just locker room talk! Firing Comey? The guy's a nut job! Improper relations with the Russian government? Don't know what you're talking about - didn't happen. If Trump was the chess master his supporters portray him as, he'd have been out in front of this story long ago, decrying how stupid the laws must be that important businessmen running for president can't collude with foreign governments, or saying that he and Putin are working on some super secret plan to kill all terrorists and bring back coal, or something, and anyone who questions their motives is an ISIS operative.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

How many covert meetings with people connected to Russia are we up to for the Trump campaign as a whole now? A dozen? Two dozen? Although I suppose when the candidate and his chief of staff have a long history of working with shady elements out of Moscow, that shouldn't actually be surprising.

I think the ball we have to keep an eye on here is that illicit meetings with shady Russian-affiliated individuals (and the attempted cover up of those meetings), while highly suspect, is just one of many ways in which Trump is a wretched excuse for a President.

[The_Doctor]

Is there ANYONE not associated with the Putin government they didn't meet? The janitor maybe?

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Is there ANYONE not associated with the Putin government they didn't meet? The janitor maybe?

John Podesta?

[The_Doctor]

Is there ANYONE not associated with the Putin government they didn't meet? The janitor maybe?

John Podesta?

And somehow you tied this to Hillary Clinton. Solid work, mate.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Is there ANYONE not associated with the Putin government they didn't meet? The janitor maybe?

John Podesta?

Oh for f**k sake jfern

[Santander]

I love jfern. We are both Bernie or bust voters.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Holy crap we just got within a span of a couple hours the WH: denied the meeting, admitted to the meeting but it was about adoption, to now saying it was a dem set up.

[The Other Castro]

Holy crap we just got within a span of a couple hours the WH: denied the meeting, admitted to the meeting but it was about adoption, to now saying it was a dem set up.

Yep, Democrats set up Republicans by conspiring with the Russians to hurt Democrats and help Trump because...reasons.

[Matty]

why is this thread only 14 posts long?

This, imo, is by far the biggest story so far in the russia-trump episode.

[Hindsight was 2020]

why is this thread only 14 posts long?

This, imo, is by far the biggest story so far in the russia-trump episode.

I guess it's not sexy enough for people? I dunno it seems to be a pattern that Paul Manafort stories have the most serious implications but doesn't draw buzz the way Flynn or Jared do

[Crumpets]

So fun fact: the lawyer in question has an almost totally public Facebook profile. Some highlights:

May 19th, 2016 - Posts "A new Snowden will come from the clouds."
May 26th, 2016 - Post tagged with location "Moscow, Russia"
May 30th, 2016 - "Before big US weekend, [Magnitsky case client] Browder and Associates send out fake story on [Russian businessman at the center of the case] Denis Katsyv."

Bit of context: Denis Katsyv also runs a company called Perezov. Peresov is represented by a law firm in the US, a subsidiary of which is Fusion GPS, the company which allegedly hired Christopher Steele to compile the infamous "Trump Dossier."

June 6th, 2016: Posts video of NY AG calling Trump University a "straight up fraud case."
[June 9th, 2016] - Alleged meeting with Trump associates
June 10th, 2016: Various pictures around New York City
June 14th, 2016: Posts tagged with location "Washington, DC"
June 30th, 2016: Post criticizing US Congress for sanctions against Russia
July 1st, 2016: "Liberalism is a f***ing mental disorder." - Story on Democrats' views on Obama
January 21st, 2017: Posts against the womens' march
January 25th, 2017: Praises US State Department for freezing money Obama apparently gave to Palestine (got to admit, never heard of this story)
January 31st, 2017: Calls on Sally Yates to resign (fired later in the day)
April 7th, 2017: Praises Gorsuch appointment

[The_Doctor]

So fun fact: the lawyer in question has an almost totally public Facebook profile. Some highlights:

May 19th, 2016 - Posts "A new Snowden will come from the clouds."
May 26th, 2016 - Post tagged with location "Moscow, Russia"
May 30th, 2016 - "Before big US weekend, [Magnitsky case client] Browder and Associates send out fake story on [Russian businessman at the center of the case] Denis Katsyv.

Bit of context: Denis Katsyv also runs a company called Perezov. Peresov is represented by a law firm in the US, a subsidiary of which is Fusion GPS, the company which allegedly hired Christopher Steele to compile the infamous "Trump Dossier."

June 6th, 2016: Posts video of NY AG calling Trump University a "straight up fraud case."
[June 9th, 2016] - Alleged meeting with Trump associates
June 10th, 2016: Various pictures around New York City
June 14th, 2016: Posts tagged with location "Washington, DC"
June 30th, 2016: Post criticizing US Congress for sanctions against Russia
July 1st, 2016: "Liberalism is a f***ing mental disorder." - Story on Democrats' views on Obama
January 21st, 2017: Posts against the womens' march
January 25th, 2017: Praises US State Department for freezing money Obama apparently gave to Palestine (got to admit, never heard of this story)
January 31st, 2017: Calls on Sally Yates to resign (fired later in the day)
April 7th, 2017: Praises Gorsuch appointment

Bob Mueller's going to have a field day with this. That profile might end up being scrubbed but I assume screen shots were already obtained.

[Technocracy Timmy]

He will dismiss it as #fakenews

Fox News hosts have recently shifted their rhetoric on Russia from "No collusion" to "Well technically it wouldn't be a crime even if he did." I think they'll go on to reference the infamous October surprise conspiracy theory and tie Trump to Reagan in this regard. Trump played Russia like Reagan played Iran! What a beast! Libcucks 0 Republicans 1

For those wondering: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Surprise_conspiracy_theory

[Hindsight was 2020]

Okay now this is getting bad, the company this guy worked for got a generous settlement offer after Preet got fired (who was investigating them for money laundering) https://amp.businessinsider.com/us-v-prevezon-case-settlement-russia-money-laundering-2017-5

[Gustaf]

That is beginning to sound pretty serious.

[Sir Mohamed]

For sure he will claim it's all fake. Big league. Probably his next tweet:

The failing NYTimes brought another phony fraud story on Russia rather than reporting on my very successful G20 summit. Had fantastic talks. SAD!

[GoTfan]

Republicans are literally profiting from demolishing healthcare in the US, yet we'll yell a bit more about Russia.

Newsflash: People are concerned with keeping  their jobs than the Russia hysteria. There's people working two or three jobs who still aren't making enough, yet you'll scream about Russia till the moon falls into the damn sea. Seriously, the solution to everything is Russia, it seems. Dems lost an election? Russia. Bernie Sanders saying you need to move left or you'll keep losing? Russia sympathiser. Stub your toe getting out of bed in the morning? Russia. That's the level it's gotten to.

People are worried about their jobs. People are worried about their healthcare. People are worried about putting food on their tables. Yet, Democrats won't hammer Trump on these issues because it means giving ground to the left, so they keep screaming "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA" every time something goes wrong. If 2018 doesn't go well for the Democrats, I guarantee that they'll blame Russia, the left, or both.

Start focusing on the damn issues already. Talk about healthcare, the minimum wage, Wall Street reform, etc. Democrats are better on those issues than Republicans are. But no, that means the left gets a foothold in the party, and we can't  have that. Gotta protect Booker and the other Third Wayers.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Republicans are literally profiting from demolishing healthcare in the US, yet we'll yell a bit more about Russia.

Newsflash: People are concerned with keeping  their jobs than the Russia hysteria. There's people working two or three jobs who still aren't making enough, yet you'll scream about Russia till the moon falls into the damn sea. Seriously, the solution to everything is Russia, it seems. Dems lost an election? Russia. Bernie Sanders saying you need to move left or you'll keep losing? Russia sympathiser. Stub your toe getting out of bed in the morning? Russia. That's the level it's gotten to.

People are worried about their jobs. People are worried about their healthcare. People are worried about putting food on their tables. Yet, Democrats won't hammer Trump on these issues because it means giving ground to the left, so they keep screaming "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA" every time something goes wrong. If 2018 doesn't go well for the Democrats, I guarantee that they'll blame Russia, the left, or both.

Start focusing on the damn issues already. Talk about healthcare, the minimum wage, Wall Street reform, etc. Democrats are better on those issues than Republicans are. But no, that means the left gets a foothold in the party, and we can't  have that. Gotta protect Booker and the other Third Wayers.

Mostly sums up how I feel. I don't think Trump's attempted collusion with Russians (and possibly the Russian government)  should get a pass.  But it should be quite possible to pursue the investigation into Russiagate and Trump's other gross violations of his oath of office, while still being a functional opposition party. (Ideally a left-leaning one.)

In other words, focusing on Russia and ignoring progressive issues is a deliberate choice by Dem leadership.

[Hindsight was 2020]

With all due respect GoTfan what the f**k are you talking about? This isn't "the democrats" this thread is about a story by the NYT broke. I'm sorry that Joe sixpack doesn't care about the president and his campaign inner circle possibly breaking the law because it doesn't effet him personally but that doesn't mean it should be ignored or not be the top story by the people whose f**king jobs are to report these stories

[heatcharger]

With all due respect GoTfan what the f**k are you talking about? This isn't "the democrats" this thread is about a story by the NYT broke. I'm sorry that Joe sixpack doesn't care about the president and his campaign inner circle possibly breaking the law because it doesn't effet him personally but that doesn't mean it should be ignored or not be the top story by the people whose f**king jobs are to report these stories

Leftists have bought into right-wing rhetoric on the 'liberal media' and believe the press is now a wing of the Democratic Party. If that were even remotely true, they wouldn't run front page headlines like this:



Foreigners should not be able to comment on or influence American politics like this. That ranges from Australian college students to Russian nationals. It's disgraceful.