Why did Romney underperform so much?
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
March 28, 2024, 04:24:53 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion
  U.S. Presidential Election Results
  2012 U.S. Presidential Election Results (Moderator: Dereich)
  Why did Romney underperform so much?
« previous next »
Pages: 1 [2]
Author Topic: Why did Romney underperform so much?  (Read 11163 times)
South Dakota Democrat
jrk26
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 3,394


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2018, 10:05:22 PM »

Lack of enthusiasm, elitism perception, awkward debater at times, seemed too fake. So many reasons. Obama won by default. He didn't run a great campaign in '12.

Except that he did.  Except for his debate performance, name one flaw.
Logged
Pericles
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 17,066


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2018, 10:43:56 PM »

Lack of enthusiasm, elitism perception, awkward debater at times, seemed too fake. So many reasons. Obama won by default. He didn't run a great campaign in '12.

Except that he did.  Except for his debate performance, name one flaw.

The biggest mistakes
The 47% gaffe
Letting Obama define him as an out of touch corporate vulture rather than defining his business record positively
His many gaffes that made him look out of touch 'I don't care about poor people'
Record of flip-flopping
Failure to appeal to demographics like women and Hispanics(and not compensating for losses elsewhere)


In addition there were plenty of smaller mistakes within them and altogether his campaign was no match for Obama's.
Logged
Dukakisite1988
Rookie
**
Posts: 132


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2018, 04:53:58 AM »

The surprising thing was how badly he failed in states that were supposed to be at least cliffhangers. New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Colorado, Virginia, Iowa all delivered solid Obama victories, even with the polls in all of them showing a Romney victory to be within the bounds of possibility. All in all it made for a happy but somewhat boring election night.
Logged
South Dakota Democrat
jrk26
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 3,394


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2018, 02:44:43 PM »

Lack of enthusiasm, elitism perception, awkward debater at times, seemed too fake. So many reasons. Obama won by default. He didn't run a great campaign in '12.

Except that he did.  Except for his debate performance, name one flaw.

The biggest mistakes
The 47% gaffe
Letting Obama define him as an out of touch corporate vulture rather than defining his business record positively
His many gaffes that made him look out of touch 'I don't care about poor people'
Record of flip-flopping
Failure to appeal to demographics like women and Hispanics(and not compensating for losses elsewhere)


In addition there were plenty of smaller mistakes within them and altogether his campaign was no match for Obama's.


In case there was confusion, I was asking him to name one flaw of Obama's campaign.
Logged
Pericles
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 17,066


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2018, 03:43:33 PM »

Lack of enthusiasm, elitism perception, awkward debater at times, seemed too fake. So many reasons. Obama won by default. He didn't run a great campaign in '12.

Except that he did.  Except for his debate performance, name one flaw.

The biggest mistakes
The 47% gaffe
Letting Obama define him as an out of touch corporate vulture rather than defining his business record positively
His many gaffes that made him look out of touch 'I don't care about poor people'
Record of flip-flopping
Failure to appeal to demographics like women and Hispanics(and not compensating for losses elsewhere)


In addition there were plenty of smaller mistakes within them and altogether his campaign was no match for Obama's.


In case there was confusion, I was asking him to name one flaw of Obama's campaign.

Oh right that makes more sense. Idk what mistakes Obama made in his campaign, his record may have been a liability but the campaign itself was pretty good.
Logged
Canis
canis
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,509


Political Matrix
E: -5.03, S: -6.26

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2018, 07:39:11 PM »

Lack of enthusiasm, elitism perception, awkward debater at times, seemed too fake. So many reasons. Obama won by default. He didn't run a great campaign in '12.

Except that he did.  Except for his debate performance, name one flaw.

The biggest mistakes
The 47% gaffe
Letting Obama define him as an out of touch corporate vulture rather than defining his business record positively
His many gaffes that made him look out of touch 'I don't care about poor people'
Record of flip-flopping
Failure to appeal to demographics like women and Hispanics(and not compensating for losses elsewhere)


In addition there were plenty of smaller mistakes within them and altogether his campaign was no match for Obama's.


In case there was confusion, I was asking him to name one flaw of Obama's campaign.

Oh right that makes more sense. Idk what mistakes Obama made in his campaign, his record may have been a liability but the campaign itself was pretty good.

"if you have a small business you didn't build that?"
Logged
Da2017
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,475
United States


Political Matrix
E: -5.00, S: -5.00

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2018, 03:09:17 PM »

He was successfully painted (and for good reason) as a top 1%, out of touch tycoon who was clearly out of touch with average Americans and genuinely seemed to lack empathy.

Not only that. He was stiff and awkward on the stump. If he was more natural and likable those attacks would not of stuck.
Logged
darklordoftech
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,389
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2018, 04:00:52 PM »

Romney was Dole 2.0
Logged
morgankingsley
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,018
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2018, 03:15:53 AM »

Even with that stuff at hand, he still kept the race to less than five points. That is without a doubt the worst democrat victory since 1976. He also won more districts than Obama if I remember correctly (yes, I get the gerrymandering thing but whatever). Obama also did worse in total votes, states, electoral votes than he did in 2008. It wasn't a squeaker obviously, but to call Romney's loss a landslide would be foolish.
Logged
Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers
olawakandi
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 87,789
Jamaica
Political Matrix
E: -6.84, S: -0.17


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2018, 06:44:01 PM »

He kept the House GOP, but he had a bad Senate map, where Dems kept most of the battleground states: OH, VA, FL and PA. 
Logged
All Along The Watchtower
Progressive Realist
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,420
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2018, 01:06:31 PM »

"I like firing people."
Logged
mencken
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,222
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2018, 01:48:29 PM »


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75SEy1qu71I
Logged
Canis
canis
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,509


Political Matrix
E: -5.03, S: -6.26

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2018, 06:48:47 PM »

"A few days later, Friedemann entered Stevens Hall off the school’s collegiate quad to find Romney marching out of his own room ahead of a prep school posse shouting about their plan to cut Lauber’s hair. Friedemann followed them to a nearby room where they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors."
Logged
Da2017
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,475
United States


Political Matrix
E: -5.00, S: -5.00

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2018, 09:22:16 PM »


Except Dole was running against peace and prosperity. Unlike Romney Dole stood no chance. In 2012 economic growth was sluggish. Unemployment was around 8%.
Logged
Calthrina950
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,937
United States


P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2022, 10:06:27 PM »

Even with that stuff at hand, he still kept the race to less than five points. That is without a doubt the worst democrat victory since 1976. He also won more districts than Obama if I remember correctly (yes, I get the gerrymandering thing but whatever). Obama also did worse in total votes, states, electoral votes than he did in 2008. It wasn't a squeaker obviously, but to call Romney's loss a landslide would be foolish.

Democrat isn't an adjective. Use the correct terminology if you're going to subject this forum to the intellectual fecal matter that you're passing off as analysis.

I think you were too harsh with him here (although this was from over three years ago). U.S. Election Atlas has used "Democrat" as the party label for Democratic nominees in state results pages for older elections (pre-2000). And the remainder of what he says here is valid-that Obama's victory was the weakest for a Democratic incumbent in decades, and that Obama performed weaker, compared to 2008, with regards to just about every metric. He was the first President winning reelection to do so with fewer electoral and popular votes since Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1940 and 1944.
Logged
hjii
Rookie
**
Posts: 24
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2022, 06:47:06 PM »

Romney was just far too bland to energize the base and he made a gaff every 5 Seconds
Logged
sg0508
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,053
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2022, 07:56:57 AM »

Top 1% elitist vs. the charismatic incumbent who was perceived to be more for the middle class and a more diverse voting bloc.
Logged
Vosem
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,624
United States


Political Matrix
E: 8.13, S: -6.09

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2022, 11:21:37 AM »

He performed exactly at par given the economic indicators, and the GOP never beaat his popular vote performance afterwards. The idea that he ran weirdly poorly, or even poorly at all, is a myth invented afterwards.
Logged
EJ24
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,110
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #43 on: August 25, 2022, 07:39:17 PM »

Because Obama's 2012 campaign was incredible and a lot of the GOP base didn't seem to love Romney.
Logged
Pages: 1 [2]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.049 seconds with 14 queries.