(Thread) Interesting factoids about presidential elections.

[morgankingsley]

All twelve counties outside Maine that voted for Perot in 1992 (including Morris County, Kansas) voted for Dole four years later.
All three Perot counties in Maine, however, voted for Clinton in 1996.

THAT IS TRIPPY

[TheElectoralBoobyPrize]

All twelve counties outside Maine that voted for Perot in 1992 (including Morris County, Kansas) voted for Dole four years later.
All three Perot counties in Maine, however, voted for Clinton in 1996.

THAT IS TRIPPY

It is, but not that surprising when you consider that Clinton CRUSHED Dole in the Northeast (that's really where the increase in his vote over '92 came from), while Dole was at least somewhat competitive in the rest of the country.

[darklordoftech]

All twelve counties outside Maine that voted for Perot in 1992 (including Morris County, Kansas) voted for Dole four years later.
All three Perot counties in Maine, however, voted for Clinton in 1996.

THAT IS TRIPPY

It is, but not that surprising when you consider that Clinton CRUSHED Dole in the Northeast (that's really where the increase in his vote over '92 came from), while Dole was at least somewhat competitive in the rest of the country.

Any idea why the Northeast was so anti-Dole?

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

All twelve counties outside Maine that voted for Perot in 1992 (including Morris County, Kansas) voted for Dole four years later.
All three Perot counties in Maine, however, voted for Clinton in 1996.

THAT IS TRIPPY

It is, but not that surprising when you consider that Clinton CRUSHED Dole in the Northeast (that's really where the increase in his vote over '92 came from), while Dole was at least somewhat competitive in the rest of the country.

Any idea why the Northeast was so anti-Dole?

The increasing anti intellectualism and southernization of the GOP hurt them badly in 1996. NJ went from a tossup to solid Dem and hasn't looked back since.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

All twelve counties outside Maine that voted for Perot in 1992 (including Morris County, Kansas) voted for Dole four years later.
All three Perot counties in Maine, however, voted for Clinton in 1996.

THAT IS TRIPPY

It is, but not that surprising when you consider that Clinton CRUSHED Dole in the Northeast (that's really where the increase in his vote over '92 came from), while Dole was at least somewhat competitive in the rest of the country.

Any idea why the Northeast was so anti-Dole?

The increasing anti intellectualism and southernization of the GOP hurt them badly in 1996. NJ went from a tossup to solid Dem and hasn't looked back since.

Clinton's attuning himself to the concerns of suburbanites also helped him as well. "Soccer moms" voted solidly for him in '96.

[Sumner 1868]

Keep in mind that in Maine a lot of Perot's vote came from lumber and paper mill towns. Residents of such places were very inclined to vote Democratic pre-2016 over trade issues.

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

All twelve counties outside Maine that voted for Perot in 1992 (including Morris County, Kansas) voted for Dole four years later.
All three Perot counties in Maine, however, voted for Clinton in 1996.

THAT IS TRIPPY

It is, but not that surprising when you consider that Clinton CRUSHED Dole in the Northeast (that's really where the increase in his vote over '92 came from), while Dole was at least somewhat competitive in the rest of the country.

Any idea why the Northeast was so anti-Dole?

The increasing anti intellectualism and southernization of the GOP hurt them badly in 1996. NJ went from a tossup to solid Dem and hasn't looked back since.

Clinton's attuning himself to the concerns of suburbanites also helped him as well. "Soccer moms" voted solidly for him in '96.

Yea that was the year of V-CHIP's, school uniforms and bringing the internet to schools.

[darklordoftech]

All twelve counties outside Maine that voted for Perot in 1992 (including Morris County, Kansas) voted for Dole four years later.
All three Perot counties in Maine, however, voted for Clinton in 1996.

THAT IS TRIPPY

It is, but not that surprising when you consider that Clinton CRUSHED Dole in the Northeast (that's really where the increase in his vote over '92 came from), while Dole was at least somewhat competitive in the rest of the country.

Any idea why the Northeast was so anti-Dole?

The increasing anti intellectualism and southernization of the GOP hurt them badly in 1996. NJ went from a tossup to solid Dem and hasn't looked back since.

Clinton's attuning himself to the concerns of suburbanites also helped him as well. "Soccer moms" voted solidly for him in '96.

Yea that was the year of V-CHIP's, school uniforms and bringing the internet to schools.

Did Dole oppose any of that? I also doubt that anyone would have voted based on those things.

[Mr. Smith]

1972, aka the only time Alaska actually voted to the left of Hawaii as states.

[Calthrina950]

In 1964, Lyndon Johnson won Alaska over Barry Goldwater with 66% of the vote, the first and only time to date that the state has been carried by a Democrat in a presidential election. He carried every borough and county-equivalent that year, making Alaska one of eleven states where he won every county. Four years earlier, Richard Nixon had won the state, in its first ever election, over John Kennedy by just 1,144 votes.

[Thunder98 🇮🇱 🤝 🇵🇸]

Hillary Clinton only won 1 county named Clinton

[SingingAnalyst]

Going back to 1884, no Democrat has won all 3 of Orange County, CA; Orange County, FL; and Orange County, NY.

From 1948 through 1988, the GOP swept all 3 counties, except in 1964 when Johnson carried Orange County, NY. In each election since then, the Dem has carried at least one: in 1992 and 1996, Clinton carried Orange County, NY only; in 2000 and 2004, Gore and Kerry carried Orange County, FL only; in 2008 and 2012, Obama carried Orange County, FL and Orange County, NY; and finally in 2016, Clinton carried Orange County, CA and Orange County, FL.

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

Going back to 1884, no Democrat has won all 3 of Orange County, CA; Orange County, FL; and Orange County, NY.

From 1948 through 1988, the GOP swept all 3 counties, except in 1964 when Johnson carried Orange County, NY. In each election since then, the Dem has carried at least one: in 1992 and 1996, Clinton carried Orange County, NY only; in 2000 and 2004, Gore and Kerry carried Orange County, FL only; in 2008 and 2012, Obama carried Orange County, FL and Orange County, NY; and finally in 2016, Clinton carried Orange County, CA and Orange County, FL.

In 2020, Dems will win all 3.

[SingingAnalyst]

No there is a county map (besides Hawaii) that has looked the same since 2000 (irrespective of the hues).

Arizona?

That's right.

So, in the last 5 elections, every Arizona county voted either R-R-R-R-R or D-D-D-D-D? Fascinating.

[SingingAnalyst]

In Monroe County, Michigan, FDR's vote totals in 1940 and 1944 differed by less than 100. Dewey's 1944 total also differed from Willkie's 1940 total by less than 100.

The D% - R% vote split in 1944 and 1940 in that county were almost identical: D43.3% - R56.5% in 1940 and D43.1% - R56.5% in 1944.  Comparing 2008 to 2000, the vote total increased greatly in Monroe County, but the D% - R% split remained the same: D51.1% - R46.8%.

Despite MI and OH see-sawing between 1940, 1944, and 1948, moving Monroe County, MI to Ohio would not have affected either state's results in any of those years.  In 2016, however, moving Monroe County to Ohio would have given Clinton Michigan (alas, she still would have lost 290-248). Finally, Clinton's 36.0% in Monroe County in 2016 was the smallest for a Dem since 1924 (I'm getting the idea there were many such counties...)

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

No there is a county map (besides Hawaii) that has looked the same since 2000 (irrespective of the hues).

Arizona?

That's right.

So, in the last 5 elections, every Arizona county voted either R-R-R-R-R or D-D-D-D-D? Fascinating.

It even gets better: Arizona could vote Democrat in two years without changing its county results map.

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

No there is a county map (besides Hawaii) that has looked the same since 2000 (irrespective of the hues).

Arizona?

That's right.

So, in the last 5 elections, every Arizona county voted either R-R-R-R-R or D-D-D-D-D? Fascinating.

It even gets better: Arizona could vote Democrat in two years without changing its county results map.

Democrats are winning Maricopa and Yuma if they win Arizona.

[SingingAnalyst]

In 1972, 0.99% of McGovern's votes came from Georgia and 0.48% came from Boston, Massachusetts.  In 1976, 2.40% of Carter's votes came from GA and 0.28% from Boston.

[Mr. Smith]

No there is a county map (besides Hawaii) that has looked the same since 2000 (irrespective of the hues).

Arizona?

That's right.

So, in the last 5 elections, every Arizona county voted either R-R-R-R-R or D-D-D-D-D? Fascinating.

It even gets better: Arizona could vote Democrat in two years without changing its county results map.

Democrats are winning Maricopa and Yuma if they win Arizona.

Probably, but they don't have to, just lowered margins in Maricopa would do it.

[pops]

I don't think anyone has done this yet. A little nugget from my homestate.

No Minnesotan has ever been elected to the Presidency, but Minnesotans ran for the major party nomination in every election from 1944-1992 (with the exception of 1956). Since 1992, only twice has this happened again, both times in 2012.

This is because between Harold Stassen, Hubert Humphrey, Eugene McCarthy, and Walter Mondale, Minnesota was having a field day in national politics. However, Humphrey and Mondale were too liberal to win in a general election, Stassen was too liberal to be the Republican nominee, and McCarthy started his career in Presidential politics by ending the presidency of someone popular with Democrats.

[Sumner 1868]

Jimmy Carter is the only Democratic president since the Depression that won nationally without carrying Chittenden County VT

[morgankingsley]

Nixon's margin in Mississippi 1972 was bigger percent wise than McGovern had in dc.

[Calthrina950]

Nixon's margin in Mississippi 1972 was bigger percent wise than McGovern had in dc.

And in 1972, Mississippi also gave Nixon a higher percentage then the District of Columbia gave McGovern. Nixon got 78.20% in Mississippi, while McGovern received 78.10% in D.C. Mississippi also beat out D.C., in terms of both percentage and victory margin, in 1964 as well. Goldwater received 87.14% of the vote in Mississippi, while Johnson received 85.50% in D.C.

[Joe McCarthy Was Right]

John McCain got more votes in the primaries in Vermont in 2000 than all of the Democrats combined. I guess that wouldn't have been a surprise at the time, but with today's electoral map I think most people would be surprised.

Hillary Clinton got more votes in the West Virginia Democratic primaries in 2008 than she received in the state in the 2016 election.

All of the counties in Maine that rejected the gay marriage license referendum in 2012 voted for Trump, while all of the counties that voted in favor of the referendum voted for Clinton, despite the fact that gay marriage was not a defining issue in that election.

[darklordoftech]

John McCain got more votes in the primaries in Vermont in 2000 than all of the Democrats combined. I guess that wouldn't have been a surprise at the time, but with today's electoral map I think most people would be surprised.

Does this mean that Vermont voters hate the religious right more than they hate war?