What is the matter with Illinois and New Jersey?
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« on: January 04, 2018, 12:27:25 PM »

Crippling and cash-strapped state budgets. Some businesses fleeing. High taxes, low wages for middle -class Illinoisans and New Jerseyans. Corrupt governors such as George Ryan, Rod Blagojevich, Jim McGreevey and Chris Christie.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/opinion/ct-lns-selle-illinois-population-decline-st-0104-20180103-story.html

http://www.altondailynews.com/news/details.cfm?clientid=17&id=257375#.Wk5joWinEdU

http://www.northjersey.com/story/money/2017/01/04/nj-still-tops-list-states-losing-residents/96108416/

Why are these states in such turmoil politically?
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2018, 01:14:17 PM »

Public sector unions.
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2018, 02:54:57 PM »

Illinois and New Jersey are two of the most politically machine-driven states in the nation where wealth and/or strong connections to the wealthy often goes much further than appeal to voters. As a result, the states' elected officials do little to face the states' actual systemic problems.
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2018, 03:17:34 PM »

George Norcross, John Lynch, George Gilmore (New Jersey)

Michael Madigan (Illinois)


I admire their political skills, hardball politics, but they have caused problems for IL & NJ as political kingmakers.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2018, 04:03:42 PM »

Kansas is a real mess. Republicans can't govern, it's an objective fact that Democrats govern better. Deal with it.
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2018, 04:44:25 PM »

Kansas is a real mess. Republicans can't govern, it's an objective fact that Democrats govern better. Deal with it.

Kansas is a mess because Sam Brownback starved KS of revenue in a sense. IL & NJ are Democratic-controlled state Legislatures.
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2018, 09:23:53 PM »

Unions, political machines, liberal policies.
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2018, 09:36:32 PM »


But those unions helped the middle class. Without unions there would not be a middle class.
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2018, 12:56:07 AM »

Kansas is a real mess. Republicans can't govern, it's an objective fact that Democrats govern better. Deal with it.

Kansas has had one irresponsible governor. New Jersey and Illinois have been destroyed slowly over time mostly by democrats. Indiana with republican super majorities is one of the most responsible and best run states in the country, whether you agree with their policies or not.
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2018, 01:47:59 AM »

The culture of corruption and machine politics that seems to dominate the midwest and east coast. New York and Pennsylvania are major players in this too.
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2018, 02:28:14 AM »

It's corruption, which is why Republicans are so stupid to condone corruption in the White House. Trump will ruin America.
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2018, 07:27:46 AM »

Kansas is a real mess. Republicans can't govern, it's an objective fact that Democrats govern better. Deal with it.

Kansas has had one irresponsible governor. New Jersey and Illinois have been destroyed slowly over time mostly by democrats. Indiana with republican super majorities is one of the most responsible and best run states in the country, whether you agree with their policies or not.

So, you're saying that it just took one irresponsible Republican governor to do in Kansas what it took decades of poor (mostly) Democratic governors to do in New Jersey (Illinois has actually had mostly Republican governors up to Blagojevich)?
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2018, 02:11:08 PM »

For all the talk about IL and NJ dysfunction (and heck, let's throw in CT and CA, which people also handwring about), their GDPs are far above the national average (link below). Maybe the economies of these states are succeeding in spite of their governments, but obviously they are doing something right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_per_capita
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