2008: President Kerry vs Mitt Romney

[OSR stands with Israel]

Who wins and with what map:


I think Romney wins 2008 in a landslide and picking up every state Bush won by 8 points or less and more and Main(WTA):

Romney/McCain 387
Kerry/Edwards 151

[mvd10]

316-222

Romney isn't really the ideal candidate in a financial crisis, but he still wins by 5 or 6 points.

[OSR stands with Israel]

316-222

Romney isn't really the ideal candidate in a financial crisis, but he still wins by 5 or 6 points.

Why does New Mexico go for Kerry it was still a swing state back then (and with the crash on dem hands it goes dem ) , also Oregon , Michigan , Minnesota were just win by Kerry in 04 by less then 4.2 points so I imagine all those flip.

[uti2]

Bush and Paulson let Lehman Brothers collapse due to conservative pressure and blowback from bailing out Bear Stearns. Bush wasn't running for re-election and wasn't looking at the situation closely.

There's no way Lehman would've collapsed with a Democratic president.

[Lord Admirale]

Bush and Paulson let Lehman Brothers collapse due to conservative pressure and blowback from bailing out Bear Stearns. Bush wasn't running for re-election and wasn't looking at the situation closely.

There's no way Lehman would've collapsed with a Democratic president.

By 2004, it was too late to prevent the Great Recession. The groundwork was laid during the 80s.

[Kingpoleon]

366: Mitt Romney/Condoleeza Rice - 53.7%
172: John Kerry/John Edwards - 43.3%

[OSR stands with Israel]

366: Mitt Romney/Condoleeza Rice - 53.7%
172: John Kerry/John Edwards - 43.3%

Do you know Kerry only beat Bush by 4 points in Oregon(and nader wasnt a factor in 04), with the crash Oregon is going gop.

Oregoon's PVI in 2004 was 7 points democratic, by that margin Oregon would be 3 points GOP. Oregon wasnt soldily a dem state till 2008 .

[mvd10]

316-222

Romney isn't really the ideal candidate in a financial crisis, but he still wins by 5 or 6 points.

Why does New Mexico go for Kerry it was still a swing state back then (and with the crash on dem hands it goes dem ) , also Oregon , Michigan , Minnesota were just win by Kerry in 04 by less then 4.2 points so I imagine all those flip.

I imagine Romney still would have been a hardliner on illegal immigration in the primaries, but NM would be close. A wealthy private equity manager really isn't the ideal candidate in a financial crisis, and Romney probably would have made some gaffes (let Detroit go bankrupt). But he still wins 52-46 or something like that.

[Gass3268]

No Republican can win after the recession starts.

[mvd10]

No Republican can win after the recession starts.

Why? Kerry is the incumbent. He is going to be blamed for it, whether he deserves it or not.

[Sir Mohamed]

✓ Former Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Senator John McCain (R-AZ): 290 EVs.; 49.9%
President John Kerry (D-MA)/Vice President John Edwards (D-NC): 108 EVs.; 48.2%

[OSR stands with Israel]

✓ Former Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Senator John McCain (R-AZ): 290 EVs.; 49.9%
President John Kerry (D-MA)/Vice President John Edwards (D-NC): 108 EVs.; 48.2%

How is an incumbent Kerry who has Economy  collapse on his watch come between 1.7 points I say it's likely an 8-9 point victory and if he withdraws from Iraq which causes it to collapse then he will get blame for withdrawing too early and likely lose by 11 or 12. So yes Kerry loses worse then McCain otl as unlike McCain he is the incumbent when everything unravels on his watch (bush though would have lost by 14-15 points if he faced obama in 08).

[Sir Mohamed]

✓ Former Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Senator John McCain (R-AZ): 290 EVs.; 49.9%
President John Kerry (D-MA)/Vice President John Edwards (D-NC): 108 EVs.; 48.2%

How is an incumbent Kerry who has Economy  collapse on his watch come between 1.7 points I say it's likely an 8-9 point victory and if he withdraws from Iraq which causes it to collapse then he will get blame for withdrawing too early and likely lose by 11 or 12. So yes Kerry loses worse then McCain otl as unlike McCain he is the incumbent when everything unravels on his watch (bush though would have lost by 14-15 points if he faced obama in 08).

Kerry would have done way better to handle the recession, but still not eneough to win reelection.

[OSR stands with Israel]

✓ Former Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Senator John McCain (R-AZ): 290 EVs.; 49.9%
President John Kerry (D-MA)/Vice President John Edwards (D-NC): 108 EVs.; 48.2%

How is an incumbent Kerry who has Economy  collapse on his watch come between 1.7 points I say it's likely an 8-9 point victory and if he withdraws from Iraq which causes it to collapse then he will get blame for withdrawing too early and likely lose by 11 or 12. So yes Kerry loses worse then McCain otl as unlike McCain he is the incumbent when everything unravels on his watch (bush though would have lost by 14-15 points if he faced obama in 08).

Kerry would have done way better to handle the recession, but still not eneough to win reelection.

YOur margin still has him closer then 04 OTL which I find it crazy, on recession I think Lehmen Brothers still collaspes , causing Kerry to be landslided