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Richard
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« on: August 03, 2005, 07:25:22 AM »
« edited: August 03, 2005, 07:28:04 AM by Richard R. »

July 15, 2005
Mark Johnson

London attack seemed inevitable
Terrorist bombing in London result of U.K. involvement in Iraq

Like many Canadians, I reacted with a mixture of shock, sorrow and anger to the news of the horrifying terrorist attacks in downtown London, now dubbed "7/7." The disaster, which took the lives of 52 people and counting, has even been referred to as England's own September 11th.

I see things entirely differently. The deluded band of egocentric, paranoid terrorists that I think have made up the present and past governments of the United States of America has been launching petty, cowardly attacks on legitimate sovereign nations for decades, and 9/11 was something they had coming to them.

The World Trade Centre and the Pentagon I think were government-connected targets, and those attacks were not aimed at the general population.

In London, on the other hand, it was the mass transit system that was blown up, harming no one but civilians. The bombings were evidently retaliation for the British involvement in the American-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

After the Madrid bombings, which were timed to coincide with a national election, Spanish voters threw out an arrogant liar of a president — who sent their troops to die in Iraq — and elected a socialist who soon withdrew the troops to safety. In doing so, Spain wisely diminished its chances of provoking another attack.

We in Canada think of ourselves as relatively safe from terrorists, but were it not for the intelligent, thoughtful decision of an awesome former Prime Minister, Jean Chrétien, to keep our troops out of the Iraq quagmire, it's more than likely that we'd now be in line for some sort of terrorist attack.

Thank heavens we had (and continue to have) the Liberal Party of Canada in office! Their foreign policy continues to save Canadian lives, both military and civilian.

9/11, the Madrid bombings, the London bombings — note that all of these were in retaliation for a country's involvement in the war of, er … on terrorism or the senseless invasion of Iraq. All of these conflicts were initiated by supposedly democratic countries and the al-Qaeda response is simply retribution for unwarranted aggression from egotistical imperialist powers.

Clear-thinking individuals often have to say to the conservative types, "We told you so!" Supporters of the terrorist invasions of Iraq might as well admit that were it not for that war and the so-called war on terrorism, England and Spain would never have been attacked.

Avoiding the Iraq war would have been a win-win situation: over 100,000 Iraqi civilians would not have perished, nor would have 1,500 U.S. troops or the thousands of innocent civilians in the aforementioned Al-Qaeda terrorist attacks.

With George Dubya at his side, British Prime Minister Tony Blair continued to play straight into the terrorists hands by vowing to pursue the war on terrorism with even more vigilance. It's almost as if the leaders want another attack!

After all, without 9/11 — and his mock sincerity and empty rhetoric about protecting America — George Dubya would, in all likelihood, have gotten trounced in the 2004 election.

The war on terror has been a colossal failure: Osama bin Laden continues to roam free while the U.S. army continues to shoot civilians in Iraq -- a country whose current and former governments had nothing to do with 9/11 or al-Qaeda.

Muslim friends of mine condemn the various attacks just as much as anyone and it's an accepted truth that al-Qaeda does not represent Islam any more than tyrants like Hitler and George W. represent Christianity.

Let's hope that the 9/11 backlash against Muslims that occurred in the U.S.A. does not reoccur in the United Kingdom.

One wonders what has become of this world when the so-called "good guys" -- the world leaders -- have become some of the worst terrorists in the planet's history.

R.I.P. to the victims of the London massacre and likewise to the victims of the U.S./U.K. massacres in Iraq and elsewhere. What goes around comes around, I suppose.
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2005, 07:33:18 AM »

And they deny me a column!  There is NO conservative column in the newspaper, and there hasn't been any since I started there.


Here is a letter to the editor that got published after Mark's lame column.

A European view of the London attacks
David Terron

Mark Johnson's comments on how we in the UK were asking for the recent terrorist attacks have been made available via the Internet.

Since Johnson "sees things differently," he fails to see the whole picture. Calling the democratically elected government of the U.S.A. terrorists serves only to encourage real terrorists. If you equate the actions of Hitler to the actions of Bush without mentioning Stalin, Pol Pot and Saddam, then you do your whole case a disservice from the outset. If Bush, Blair, etc. are dictators, how are they prevented from pursuing many of their desired programs or laws? Well, there is a democratically-elected opposition to stop them and which often does!

Johnson claims the World Trade Centre was selected as a target because it was connected to the government. That al-Queda themselves have said that it was selected as a "prestige target" means nothing to him. After all, would hitting the State Department building get the same coverage as hitting the tallest, most visible symbol of American commerce? The general population in the WTC and Pentagon worked and lived by both targets and flew on the planes. They included all faiths and all races, not just citizens of the U.S.A.

Johnson compounds his credibility problem by claiming that Spain threw out her "liar of a president" and is now safe. Err, shouldn't that be Prime Minister Aznar (not President) who was not standing for election anyway in a country that has been attacked again since then? The investigation into the Madrid bombing concluded the plans were made long before Iraq, or indeed Afghanistan.

There was no "invasion" of Afghanistan. Kabul fell to the Northern Alliance in November 2001, with the consequent collapse of the Taliban, but there were no foreign combat units in Afghanistan. The Northern Alliance did receive air support and assistance from Special Forces (both U.S. and British); that, however, is not an invasion. Extensive foreign combat forces — including Canadian — only entered the country after the Taliban had been deposed, and those forces entered with the agreement of the Northern Alliance. So if thanks to the "awesome" Chrétien, Canada is safe from attack by virtue of not being involved in Iraq, can he explain why Canada has been involved in Afghanistan and is increasing her assistance to that country? In fact, did Chrétien not stand up in Parliament saying Canada was sending 800 troops to Iraq, and then the next day (the eve of a Quebec election), recant?

With over 800 citizens butchered by Islamists in the last year, perhaps Johnson should be asked for his suggestions about how Thailand should alter its foreign policy towards Iraq. (In case he is unaware, they are not involved in Iraq).

So little understanding is being displayed by a "clear thinking" individual such as Johnson. How arrogant for a fourth-year politics student but more worrying for his tutors as he seems to have failed to grasp the most important thing of all — appeasement never works.

"The ‘We told you so' crowd all just somehow know that the Iraq war was an effective cause of the deaths in London. How do they know this, these clever people? For what they need to know is not just that Iraq was one of a number of influencing causes, but that it was the specific, and a necessary, motivating cause for the London bombings.

"If it was only an influencing motivational cause among others, and if, more particularly, another such motivational cause was supplied by the military intervention in Afghanistan, then it's not the case that the London bombings wouldn't have happened but for the Iraq war.

"Ever on the lookout for damning causes, the root-causers never go for the most obvious of these. This is the cause, indeed, which shows, by its absence, why most critics of the Iraq war or of anything else don't murder people when they are angry. It is the fanatical, fundamentalist belief system which teaches hatred and justifies these acts of murder. That cause somehow gets a free pass from the hunters-out of causes."

That from a famed British left-wing professor, Norman Geras in the Guardian, the most left-wing paper in the U.K. apart from the communist Morning Star. If senior left-wingers in the most multicultural city in the world are saying this, then Johnson's article only serves to highlight his moral bankruptcy.

If al-Queda are reacting to what Johnson calls "egoistical imperialistic powers" then why are they murdering children, women and civilians by the hundreds in Iraq and elsewhere? Remember East Timor, Madrid, Bali, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Kenya, Tanzania, Yemen, Turkey, Egypt and yes, New York. The war in Iraq, the Israeli-Palestine conflict — these are flashpoints in the war; they are not wholly cause or effect. In 1991, along with many Muslim countries, a U.N. coalition liberated Kuwait, a Muslim country, from Saddam Hussein and in the process, saved the holiest Islamic sites in Saudi Arabia. That in Bosnia under a Democrat U.S. president the U.N. eventually intervened to save Muslims from being massacred; we did the same again in Kosovo. Furthermore, even the 9/11 Commission and the Clinton administration's Richard Clark agreed that Iraq was linked to al-Queda, providing safe camps and assistance.

In summary, some terrorists who happen to be Muslim declared war on the rest of the world years ago. This is why we must band together — the fact that all sides in the U.K. and many in the U.S.A. and elsewhere are coming together regardless of political beliefs to stop them shows that most people "get" it. There will, however, always be people like Johnson who choose not to or cannot understand.

To end, a quote from Peter Thatchell, the foremost gay rights campaigner in the U.K. today:

"Terrorism is not socialism; it is the tactic of fascism. But much of the left doesn't care. Never mind what the Iraqi people want, it wants the U.S. and U.K. out of Iraq at any price, including the abandonment of Iraqi socialists, trade unionists, democrats, gays and feminists. If the fake left gets its way, the ex-Baathists and Islamic fundamentalists could easily seize power, leading to Iranian-style clerical fascism and a bloodbath. I used to be proud to call myself a leftist. Now I feel shame."

If as Johnson rather nastily proclaims, "what goes around comes around," then I sincerely hope that Canada never gets attacked as he has run out of excuses. Canada is not safe because it is not involved in Iraq. It is not a case of if, but when. I think even the Liberal Party of Canada is beginning to realize this, hence the recent comments by General Hillier about "murderers and scumbags" and the support he received from the defence minister and others in the Liberal government.

—David Terron
University of Stirling
Scotland, United Kingdom

Editor's note: The writer is a 4th year student teacher (English(Hons) and History) at the University of Stirling, former soldier with 13 combat tours and now 80 per cent disabled as result of bomb attack during service.
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2005, 07:36:19 AM »

I see things entirely differently. The deluded band of egocentric, paranoid terrorists that I think have made up the present and past governments of the United States of America has been launching petty, cowardly attacks on legitimate sovereign nations for decades, and 9/11 was something they had coming to them...
R.I.P. to the victims of the London massacre and likewise to the victims of the U.S./U.K. massacres in Iraq and elsewhere. What goes around comes around, I suppose.
Absolutely mortifying.
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2005, 07:41:16 AM »

As I said in the other topic:

I agree that the article you posted is horribly slanted and frankly offensive towards anyone with half a brain.
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2005, 07:58:49 AM »


And they deny me a column!  There is NO conservative column in the newspaper, and there hasn't been any since I started there.


While, I probably disagree with you more than I'll ever agree with you, you have a right to be heard or, more correctly, a right to be read. The college newspaper should have columnists from all mainstream ideologies (I consider conservatism, liberalism and socialism all mainstream - as long as they are in their democratic variants) and to allow someone to write an article effectively condoning Islamist terrorism is reprehensible. It makes me sick and it takes a lot to get my goat up

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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2005, 08:28:04 AM »

My country has NEVER been attacked by terrorists. We're not involved in Irak or Afganistan thank God!
Well, some parts of the article are true though. IF it IS terrorists who did this I dont see why the US and UK attacking Irak is more legitimate as to some rebels (labeled "terrorists") attacking those countries.
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2005, 08:37:59 AM »

My country has NEVER been attacked by terrorists. We're not involved in Irak or Afganistan thank God!
Well, some parts of the article are true though. IF it IS terrorists who did this I dont see why the US and UK attacking Irak is more legitimate as to some rebels (labeled "terrorists") attacking those countries.

1. It's spelled Iraq, not Irak.
2. Mexico not being involved in those is not the reason that it has never been attacked by terrorists.
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2005, 09:34:23 AM »

You can always find some lunatic to spout off in a rag.
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2005, 11:57:16 AM »

It'd be nice if these people drove off a bridge tonight.
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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2005, 12:10:24 PM »

I hope a radical Eskimo terrorist jams a whalebone spear in this guy's gut.  Then he can say, "Well, my government has been mean to the natives, I suppose what goes around comes around."
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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2005, 12:14:18 PM »

Didn't one of the arrested men of the second attack say that the attack had more to do with social injustice in London than anything else?  Just another "blame Bush for all our problems" column that we should ignore.
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