French Presidential Election 2017, Run-Off

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

Not a fan of Macron by any means, but he's way better than Le Pen

[Phony Moderate]

Obviously neither. Maybe I'd work up the energy to go to the polling booth and scribble on the ballot paper, although I have a vague recollection of hearing that that's not allowed in France.

[White Trash]

Le Pen reluctantly.

[Intell]

Le Pen reluctantly.

Uhh.

[White Trash]

Le Pen reluctantly.

Uhh.

I'm to your right on the European Union and immigration, so I have less qualms about Le Pen. In addition, she is less likely to gut the welfare state than Macron and is certainly better on trade issues.

[NeverAgain]

BFM <3<3 (even tho, y'know, he's horrendus), but he is in the multitude of guys and gals that are above Panzergirl.

[This account no longer in use.]

Obviously Macron

[7,052,770]

Macron enthusiastically

[Oakvale]

This is a useful thread for identifying the vile morons who sagely declare that fascism is preferable to a guy who worked for a bank or whatever.

[mvd10]

Macron. His economic policy is too centrist imo, but he atleast will try to reform France. It's such a shame Fillon turned out to be a crook.

[Kingpoleon]

Le Pen. At least she's right on trade. And Macron is pretty bad on immigration too, just in the other direction.

Ah, this is exactly the sort of people Democrats should appeal to... Right?
Anyway, Macron.

I wish they appealed to Macron-type voters more than these Melenchon/Hamon/Sanders->Le Pen "populist" communitarians/authoritarians.

[ApatheticAustrian]

I feel disgust for crypto-leftist le pen voters.....makes me remember why so many vile organizations came to power through a veil of social welfare promises and local organizing.

[DavidB.]

Le Pen reluctantly.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Le Pen reluctantly.

doesn't it kind of suck standing in line with millions of rothschild-truthers?

[DavidB.]

Le Pen reluctantly.

doesn't it kind of suck standing in line with millions of rothschild-truthers?

It absolutely does, and my vote for her would be a reluctant one (as opposed to my PVV vote irl), but she's the lesser evil. At this point preventing any more immigration should be priority number one. Everything else is much less important. Sometimes you have to make painful choices.

[MAINEiac4434]

[White Trash]

Le Pen reluctantly.

doesn't it kind of suck standing in line with millions of rothschild-truthers?

Who cares? That's a really weak line of argument.

[America Needs R'hllor]

I feel disgust for crypto-leftist le pen voters.....makes me remember why so many vile organizations came to power through a veil of social welfare promises and local organizing.

Yeah, it's such a replay of history it's ridiculous. Today is the Israeli holocaust memorial day, a day to remember horrors caused by another party running on the "socialist" label. Yes, I'm aware Le Pen is not as terrible, but anyone who can't see her fascism and racism is blind.

[DavidB.]

I feel disgust for crypto-leftist le pen voters.....makes me remember why so many vile organizations came to power through a veil of social welfare promises and local organizing.

Yeah, it's such a replay of history it's ridiculous. Today is the Israeli holocaust memorial day, a day to remember horrors caused by another party running on the "socialist" label. Yes, I'm aware Le Pen is not as terrible, but anyone who can't see her fascism and racism is blind.

You sound like an American now. Pretty annoying to me as a European Jew. Who are the ones making life impossible for European Jews nowadays? Let's take a stand against them instead.

[ApatheticAustrian]

I feel disgust for crypto-leftist le pen voters.....makes me remember why so many vile organizations came to power through a veil of social welfare promises and local organizing.

Yeah, it's such a replay of history it's ridiculous. Today is the Israeli holocaust memorial day, a day to remember horrors caused by another party running on the "socialist" label. Yes, I'm aware Le Pen is not as terrible, but anyone who can't see her fascism and racism is blind.

You sound like an American now. Pretty annoying to me as a European Jew. Who are the ones making life impossible for European Jews nowadays? Let's take a stand against them instead.

to be fair - and you know i respect your decisons - the actual americans on this board seem more likely to support LP cause of muh social policies muh and seem to ignore her other traits.

kind of depressing for me in general how uncommited to liberalism and democracy many democrats and republicans are - reminds me that europe must continue being united cause we are on our own and we are small and weak. 

[DavidB.]

I feel disgust for crypto-leftist le pen voters.....makes me remember why so many vile organizations came to power through a veil of social welfare promises and local organizing.

Yeah, it's such a replay of history it's ridiculous. Today is the Israeli holocaust memorial day, a day to remember horrors caused by another party running on the "socialist" label. Yes, I'm aware Le Pen is not as terrible, but anyone who can't see her fascism and racism is blind.

You sound like an American now. Pretty annoying to me as a European Jew. Who are the ones making life impossible for European Jews nowadays? Let's take a stand against them instead.

to be fair - and you know i respect your decisons - the actual americans on this board seem more likely to support LP cause of muh social policies muh and seem to ignore her other traits.

kind of depressing for me in general how uncommited to liberalism and democracy many democrats and republicans are - reminds me that europe must continue being united cause we are on our own and we are small and weak.  

Nah, I mean American Jews, who think Christians/Donald Trump/Steve Bannon could start a new Holocaust every day and Muslims are just poor victims of colonialism/white supremacy/privilege/racism.

I'm all for Europeans standing together, but not by giving up sovereignty.

[America Needs R'hllor]

I feel disgust for crypto-leftist le pen voters.....makes me remember why so many vile organizations came to power through a veil of social welfare promises and local organizing.

Yeah, it's such a replay of history it's ridiculous. Today is the Israeli holocaust memorial day, a day to remember horrors caused by another party running on the "socialist" label. Yes, I'm aware Le Pen is not as terrible, but anyone who can't see her fascism and racism is blind.

You sound like an American now. Pretty annoying to me as a European Jew. Who are the ones making life impossible for European Jews nowadays? Let's take a stand against them instead.

to be fair - and you know i respect your decisons - the actual americans on this board seem more likely to support LP cause of muh social policies muh and seem to ignore her other traits.

kind of depressing for me in general how uncommited to liberalism and democracy many democrats and republicans are - reminds me that europe must continue being united cause we are on our own and we are small and weak.  

Nah, I mean American Jews, who think Christians/Donald Trump/Steve Bannon could start a new Holocaust every day and Muslims are just poor victims of colonialism/white supremacy/privilege/racism.

I'm all for Europeans standing together, but not by giving up sovereignty.

Nah, I really don't think any of those, or Le Pen for that matter, are going to start a new holocaust. But my point was that authoritarian, "populist" regimes always have touches of economic left, some to a different degree than others, and people really need to learn to see through that.

And for the record, I oppose an increase of immigration to Europe, it really did become a major problem. And I also strongly oppose "taking a stand" against a whole group.

[DavidB.]

Sure, I know your position is more nuanced and I was being hyperbolical, but I was explaining to ApatheticAustrian the American Jewish line of reasoning that annoys me. You drawing the parallel between Yom Hashoa and Le Pen just irked me. There's no comparison between Nazis and Le Pen.

I don't mind taking a stand against those Muslims who are antisemitic.

[Gass3268]

Not the Fascist

[ApatheticAustrian]

le pen arguing the french are not guilty of cooperating with hitler may not make marine (the "moderate" between her father and niece) a "nazi" but she obviously tries to dog-whistle nazi votes for....whatever....reason.