France 2017: Results Thread

[Antonio the Sixth]

Wow. France's olds are huge FFs!

LOL no, they are the only ones who voted for Fillon.

Then by your logic they should have heavily voted for LePen but they didn't, voted strongest for Macron.

They are mostly rich right-wingers who primarily care about their pocketbooks. They agree with Panzergirl on almost every issue but know that leaving the Euro would screw them over, so they hold their nose and vote for FBM (whose economic policies will still be sympathetic to their interests anyway).

[Filuwaúrdjan]

So I see that the World has not ended. Jolly good.

[Maxwell]

Wow. France's olds are huge FFs!

LOL no, they are the only ones who voted for Fillon.

Then by your logic they should have heavily voted for LePen but they didn't, voted strongest for Macron.

They are mostly rich right-wingers who primarily care about their pocketbooks. They agree with Panzergirl on almost every issue but know that leaving the Euro would screw them over, so they hold their nose and vote for FBM (whose economic policies will still be sympathetic to their interests anyway).

Interesting considering how the British Olds pretty much did the opposite via the EU referendum.

[Zinneke]

Le Pen is seen as a traitor to De Gaulle and France re Algeria.

Why?

Ok so let me rephrase this : De Gaulle is seen to have betrayed French interests in Algeria by Lepenists by pulling out of the war via the referendum, when he was supposed to "save" Algeria. Jean-Marie Le Pen is seen by the Gaullists to have been a sympathiser of the Organisation de l´Armée Secrete (google these guys, they are hard ers).

There has always been historic tensions between the Gaullists and the Frontistes. Le Pen criticises De Gaulle's role in WW2 a lot, etc, and for a lot of these elderly voters they are put off by that.

[Hydera]

More election data:

Vote by age and sex

Interesting that the old are very much to left, why is that? WWII memories?

Pensions, buying power, old political events (not WW2, Algerian War).
Le Pen is seen as a traitor to De Gaulle and France re Algeria.

I wonder how good Macron did with the Older women who want a younger man demographic.    /jk


Well the 60+ grew up during the Trente Glorieuses years and have more economic security. The 35-49 demographic is alarming but theres no other reason to explain it except that this generation at most grew up during the 1970s at the end of those Trente Glorieuses and most of their lives have been recession after recession. 1973, 1981, 1986-87, 1993, 2003, 2007+.

Which created a lot of disillusionment.

Le Pen is seen as a traitor to De Gaulle and France re Algeria.

Why?

Ok so let me rephrase this : De Gaulle is seen to have betrayed French interests in Algeria by Lepenists by pulling out of the war via the referendum, when he was supposed to "save" Algeria. Le Pen is seen by the Gaullists to have been a sympathiser of the Organisation de l´Armée Secrete (google these guys, they are hard ers).

Yeah The older demographic was also closer to WW2 either through stories or memories(experiences!!!!) and while they prefer the conservative/center-right. They will nonetheless vote for anybody but the far-right.

[Strudelcutie4427]

Haha so many leftists who claim Le Pen is a fascist. It's amazing how s*** like this continues

Can we just have a Brown avatar already?

We already have a maroon for Socialists.

That's nice. Call me a fascist.

We should call them commies but they take that as a compliment now

[alomas]

Kantar increased Macron's margin by four tenths. Very strong performance for him.

61.6-38.4 past the halfway point.

[TheSaint250]

Haha so many leftists who claim Le Pen is a fascist. It's amazing how s*** like this continues

Can we just have a Brown avatar already?

We already have a maroon for Socialists.

That's nice. Call me a fascist.

We should call them commies but they take that as a compliment now

lol

[ApatheticAustrian]

seems like the extreme-left and the extreme-right are clashing in strasbourg.


http://www.dna.fr/actualite/2017/05/07/les-forces-de-l-ordre-font-usage-de-bombes-lacrymogenes

[heatcharger]

What's up with Aisne swinging hard right? Hollande won it by 5 points but Le Pen leads by 11, but there's still a lot of vote to count.

[rob in cal]

  IIRC there was a poll of the French electorate and how they felt about Macron and Le Pen's stances on the EU, immigration etc.  I believe people were closer to  Le Pens stance on immigration by a huge (yuge) number, and Macron's EU stance by a similar number.  So, a big amount of Macron's voters don't necessarily reject Le Pens restrictionist stance, but they are rejecting her and her baggage.  Makes one wonder how Fillon would have done had it not been for his personal transgressions.

[YL]

Anyways I have Le Pen up in 5 departments right now (Haute-Marne, Ardennes, Aisne, and Oise, and Aube) 2 of those are almost done counting with roughly 4% le pen wins, 2 of them have barely anything so take it with a grain of salt as of now

also narrowly ahead in Somme, Nord, Pas de Calais so make that 7 those 3 are barely counted

Macron now seems to be ahead in Aube, Nord, Haute-Marne and Oise, and Somme is 50-50.  Le Pen still leads in Ardennes, Pas-de-Calais and Aisne.

[Kamala]

 IIRC there was a poll of the French electorate and how they felt about Macron and Le Pen's stances on the EU, immigration etc.  I believe people were closer to  Le Pens stance on immigration by a huge (yuge) number, and Macron's EU stance by a similar number.  So, a big amount of Macron's voters don't necessarily reject Le Pens restrictionist stance, but they are rejecting her and her baggage.  Makes one wonder how Fillon would have done had it not been for his personal transgressions.

Man, just think about how Juppé would have done!

[Antonio the Sixth]

What's up with Aisne swinging hard right? Hollande won it by 5 points but Le Pen leads by 11, but there's still a lot of vote to count.

This runoff is not between the left and the right.

[mvd10]

Well, 2015/2016 polls aren't worth anything but Fillon was on 71% in a poll just after his primary victory. I think he still would have done worse than Macron even without Penelopegate. His economic program was really right-wing by French standards.

[alomas]

20 million votes already in, Macron leads Le Pen 62.1 to 37.9. Still nothing from Paris.

[This account no longer in use.]

The salt levels in /r/the_donald are absolutely brilliant

[ApatheticAustrian]

What's up with Aisne swinging hard right? Hollande won it by 5 points but Le Pen leads by 11, but there's still a lot of vote to count.

This runoff is not between the left and the right.

btw, sorry for OT but since you commented several times critically about melenchon, could you maybe explain your scepticism regarding him as a principled leftie?

[heatcharger]

What's up with Aisne swinging hard right? Hollande won it by 5 points but Le Pen leads by 11, but there's still a lot of vote to count.

This runoff is not between the left and the right.

I'm just trying to understand why the only three departments Le Pen is currently leading in also happen to be places where Hollande won.

[Classic Conservative]

http://www.politico.eu/article/national-front-change-name-after-marine-le-pen-defeat/

Front National is changing its name.

[IceAgeComing]

So it turns out the polls WERE wrong then...

[Antonio the Sixth]

What's up with Aisne swinging hard right? Hollande won it by 5 points but Le Pen leads by 11, but there's still a lot of vote to count.

This runoff is not between the left and the right.

I'm just trying to understand why the only three departments Le Pen is currently leading in also happen to be places where Hollande won.

Because many voters would prefer a left-winger to a right-winger but prefer a candidate like Panzergirl to one like FBM. There's nothing strange about that.

[JerryArkansas]

What's up with Aisne swinging hard right? Hollande won it by 5 points but Le Pen leads by 11, but there's still a lot of vote to count.

This runoff is not between the left and the right.

I'm just trying to understand why the only three departments Le Pen is currently leading in also happen to be places where Hollande won.

Because many voters would prefer a left-winger to a right-winger but prefer a candidate like Panzergirl to one like FBM. There's nothing strange about that.

Yeah there are many strange things about that.  I guess some on the french left just like racist propaganda. 

[cp]

The salt levels in /r/the_donald are absolutely brilliant

Could you be so kind as to share a sample?

[TheSaint250]

What's up with Aisne swinging hard right? Hollande won it by 5 points but Le Pen leads by 11, but there's still a lot of vote to count.

This runoff is not between the left and the right.

I'm just trying to understand why the only three departments Le Pen is currently leading in also happen to be places where Hollande won.

Because many voters would prefer a left-winger to a right-winger but prefer a candidate like Panzergirl to one like FBM. There's nothing strange about that.

Yeah there are many strange things about that.  I guess some on the french left just like racist propaganda.

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