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« Reply #1000 on: May 02, 2017, 12:46:52 PM »

Macron threatens to leave the debate tomorrow if Le Pen is too aggressive.

Oh God, that would be PATHETIC.

What a sh*tty f**king choice we have. I think I'd rather have Chirac again.
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« Reply #1001 on: May 02, 2017, 12:50:19 PM »

Macron threatens to leave the debate tomorrow if Le Pen is too aggressive.

Oh God, that would be PATHETIC.

What a sh*tty f**king choice we have. I think I'd rather have Chirac again.
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« Reply #1002 on: May 02, 2017, 01:02:24 PM »

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« Reply #1003 on: May 02, 2017, 01:05:34 PM »

Latest BVA poll May 1-2

Macron 60% (+1)
LePen 40% (-1)

I know people want to pretend there is suspense in this run-off but lets face it, Macron will win 59-60 to 40-41
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« Reply #1004 on: May 02, 2017, 01:08:35 PM »

Latest BVA poll May 1-2

Macron 60% (+1)
LePen 40% (-1)

I know people want to pretend there is suspense in this run-off but lets face it, Macron will win 59-60 to 40-41

It's been pretty much known that "x against Le Pen" is almost guaranteed a victory for "x"
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« Reply #1005 on: May 02, 2017, 01:47:59 PM »

Macron threatens to leave the debate tomorrow if Le Pen is too aggressive.

Oh God, that would be PATHETIC.

What a sh*tty f**king choice we have. I think I'd rather have Chirac again.

Ugh ing Chirac nostalgia.
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« Reply #1006 on: May 02, 2017, 02:08:26 PM »

It is quite interesting, how much of a meltdown the left is having about macron. Whereas backing Chirac in 2002 was seen as obvious. Even for the PCF

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« Reply #1007 on: May 02, 2017, 02:14:54 PM »

   On most economic issues, is it fair to say that Le Pen is running to the left of Macron?  From what I've read this seems to be the case.  Of all the populist, anti-globalist European parties lumped in as "far-right" I wonder what others have had candidates running like this, i.e. strongly nationalist, but also on the left economically.
   Had it come to a Macron vs Melenchon runoff would Le Pen have endorsed Melenchon?

Isn't this pretty much more the standard than the exception at this point?
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« Reply #1008 on: May 02, 2017, 02:23:50 PM »
« Edited: May 02, 2017, 02:26:05 PM by Rogier »

It is quite interesting, how much of a meltdown the left is having about macron. Whereas backing Chirac in 2002 was seen as obvious. Even for the PCF

Less of a suprise

\Also PCF have called to mobilise for macron
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« Reply #1009 on: May 02, 2017, 02:28:29 PM »

Latest BVA poll May 1-2

Macron 60% (+1)
LePen 40% (-1)

I know people want to pretend there is suspense in this run-off but lets face it, Macron will win 59-60 to 40-41

Indeed but 40-41 % (14-15 millions of votes) is a good result for Le Pen, especially if she wins Paca and Haut de France. Macron will be very fast unpopular so she will have a good shot for 2022.
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« Reply #1010 on: May 02, 2017, 02:30:09 PM »

Considering the fact she was actually leading Flanby in 2013-2014, no, this is not impressive considering Macron embodies largely the same policies.
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« Reply #1011 on: May 02, 2017, 02:49:01 PM »

Oof! Le Pen caught plagiarizing Fillon's speech at her last rally before the election.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/05/02/europe/marine-le-pen-plagiarism-french-election/index.html

She needed a massive political miracle to win on Sunday but she's the one pulling all the gaffes.
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« Reply #1012 on: May 02, 2017, 03:52:59 PM »

Panzergirl promises a snap dissolution if she doesn't get an Assembly majority.
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« Reply #1013 on: May 02, 2017, 04:02:07 PM »


So she'll keep dissolving the Assembly over and over again? Seems like a stupid move to announce this. (On the other hand, this is assuming she does not get a majority on the first try. In my opinion, in the very unlikely circumstance where she beats Macron, all bets are off on the possibility of an FN majority in the Assembly.)
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« Reply #1014 on: May 02, 2017, 04:06:16 PM »

She also wants proportionality with a majority bonus of 30%.
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« Reply #1015 on: May 02, 2017, 04:17:04 PM »

Yeah I just don't get the appeal of Le Pen for any person, and I know enough TRUMPers to see from a 5000 foot view why someone would vote for trump - even the far right has to see her as a major political opportunist who has sold out everyone around her for power, and her family have not exactly been "outsiders". If she loses, the National Front will probably still have appeal but I see discontent growing, and if she wins (!!!), discontent among National Front ranks will probably grow a lot faster.
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« Reply #1016 on: May 02, 2017, 04:25:34 PM »

The two factions of NF are on a collision course and my guess is, it'll cause some serious damage.
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« Reply #1017 on: May 02, 2017, 05:33:30 PM »

The two factions of NF are on a collision course and my guess is, it'll cause some serious damage.

Who is more popular at this point, the FN or MLP? Might it be useful to let her dad and the TradCaths just have the corpse of the FN and then go on to found a new party less weighed down by that baggage?
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« Reply #1018 on: May 02, 2017, 05:33:57 PM »

The Serbian Progressive Party option, as it were.
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« Reply #1019 on: May 02, 2017, 06:28:08 PM »

It is quite interesting, how much of a meltdown the left is having about macron. Whereas backing Chirac in 2002 was seen as obvious. Even for the PCF




Sadly the circumstances for another 82% vs 18% blowout against the FN is unlikely.


The FN reaching second round was really unexpected. Also Jean-marie Le Pen made holocaust denial remarks that was widely condemned. Plus there was no Melenchon like figure on the left. And Marine le pen made a lot of steps to "normalize" the FN for the public by expelling openly racist FN figures even her father and enforced stronger party standards to prevent members from giving racist statements that characterized the FN during her father. As a result 41% of the french public in recent polls considered the FN a "normal regular party" and 43% consider it a threat to the republic in contrast to 2002.
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« Reply #1020 on: May 02, 2017, 06:42:05 PM »

What a sh*tty f**king choice we have. I think I'd rather have Chirac again.

Only because you don't remember how bad Chirac was...
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« Reply #1021 on: May 02, 2017, 07:15:22 PM »
« Edited: May 02, 2017, 07:17:07 PM by L.D. Smith »

It is quite interesting, how much of a meltdown the left is having about macron. Whereas backing Chirac in 2002 was seen as obvious. Even for the PCF

From what I gather, Le Pen Sr was an unexpected shock, Le Pen Jr wasn't and stopping Le Pen would've been done if Hamon had just dropped out earlier, which would've put Melenchon over the line to compete with Macron.

Hard to fault the side that was less than 2 points away from having it all when that itself was not really expected.
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« Reply #1022 on: May 02, 2017, 08:41:40 PM »

What do you mean "two points from having it all"? Even I Melenchon had snuck ahead of LePen and made it into the runoff he would have been crushed by Macron by an even bigger margin than he will have against LePen'
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« Reply #1023 on: May 02, 2017, 09:14:24 PM »

What do you mean "two points from having it all"? Even I Melenchon had snuck ahead of LePen and made it into the runoff he would have been crushed by Macron by an even bigger margin than he will have against LePen'

They wouldn't have had to compromise themselves by voting for a candidate they viewed as insufficiently radical though. Most leftists consider that a far bigger victory than actually winning an election.
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« Reply #1024 on: May 03, 2017, 01:19:37 AM »
« Edited: May 03, 2017, 01:28:13 AM by parochial boy »

The FN reaching second round was really unexpected. Also Jean-marie Le Pen made holocaust denial remarks that was widely condemned. Plus there was no Melenchon like figure on the left. And Marine le pen made a lot of steps to "normalize" the FN for the public by expelling openly racist FN figures even her father and enforced stronger party standards to prevent members from giving racist statements that characterized the FN during her father. As a result 41% of the french public in recent polls considered the FN a "normal regular party" and 43% consider it a threat to the republic in contrast to 2002.

Yes, but you don't exactly have to dig deep to find some prety unpleasant views. Panzerbabby, whose wing could well be in charge come the end of the year (and who would turn the party in an economically liberal direction) in particular doesn't seem particularly worried about outright fascists coming to her meetings.

From what I gather, Le Pen Sr was an unexpected shock, Le Pen Jr wasn't and stopping Le Pen would've been done if Hamon had just dropped out earlier, which would've put Melenchon over the line to compete with Macron.

Hard to fault the side that was less than 2 points away from having it all when that itself was not really expected.

I think it might be a bit optimistic to suggest Hamon dropping out would have put Mélenchon through, don't underestimate quite how many people on the left Mélenchon puts off; a lot of Hamon's support would have dribbled away to Macron or even Poutou.

In any case, Mélenchon supporters right now seem very much aware that Le Pen is worse than Macron; they just don't want to "legitimise" Macron's presidency, and seem to be hoping that the rest of the country does the dirty work of actually voting for Macron for them.
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