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« Reply #725 on: April 24, 2017, 03:56:16 PM »

I'm very curious how French citizens in Canada voted
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« Reply #726 on: April 24, 2017, 03:57:23 PM »

good to see, even a country living in constant danger like israel realizes that le pen is a whole different animal even than wilders.

The fact that LePen is an anti-semitic Holocaust denier would tend to suppress her vote among French citizens living in Israel...for some strange reason
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« Reply #727 on: April 24, 2017, 04:03:33 PM »

good to see, even a country living in constant danger like israel realizes that le pen is a whole different animal even than wilders.

The fact that LePen is an anti-semitic Holocaust denier would tend to suppress her vote among French citizens living in Israel...for some strange reason

I actually feared the opposite tbh. Many here fall to the trap of "muh strong leader".
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« Reply #728 on: April 24, 2017, 04:13:45 PM »


This is like the questions about why Sanders supporters didn't just go over to Trump. Melenchon voters care about economic reforms and opposition to (what they see as) racism; the European Union and liberalism, for these guys, are unimportant issues that it's acceptable to negotiate over. A decent number of them voted Hollande '12, and Melenchon held back from saying he wanted to leave the EU (talking about NATO instead).

Ultimately, the problem your movement has is that overwhelming majorities of French and German people (whether you mean the nationality or ethnicity; you clearly prefer the latter definition and are irked by the former, but it's true either way) are pretty hardcore pro-EU and pro-liberalism, and the generational trend is that it is getting more so. That it seems to be a common thought in your movement that you can win over Melenchon supporters and Antifa sympathizers rather than trying to appeal to mainstream right-wingers (by, for instance, adopting pro-trade stances while remaining anti-immigration, which is a common combination of beliefs) is a good example of why it'll basically never win.

I fully agree with the economic argument and I totally doubt the "racism" and EU explanation, but nevertheless thanks.

Our problem is that most people are totally manipulated by the left-wing media and are voting against their own beliefs. Muslim Ban e.g. is way more popular in Europe than in the US but a big bunch of people is either voting because of other topics or they really think that a vote for a non-mainstream candidate would be HITLER. If it wouldn't be so sad, I could laugh about so much stupidity. Whatever. Europe is doomed.

"Everyone would be on our side if they just knew THE TRUTH" is the calling card of political immaturity.
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« Reply #729 on: April 24, 2017, 04:24:22 PM »

Does anyone know if expat votes in the US are broken down by state anywhere?

If it's anything like 2012, the French have their own way of dividing the US that doesn't quite correspond to states.
That really doesn't make sense, other to infuriate mapmakers.

It might have something to do with consulate locations. That's the only reason I can think of.
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« Reply #730 on: April 24, 2017, 04:44:08 PM »

Does anyone know if expat votes in the US are broken down by state anywhere?

If it's anything like 2012, the French have their own way of dividing the US that doesn't quite correspond to states.
That really doesn't make sense, other to infuriate mapmakers.

It might have something to do with consulate locations. That's the only reason I can think of.

That should be correct.
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« Reply #731 on: April 24, 2017, 05:30:17 PM »

Since we all like discussing unusual political theories...





Discuss how the Angevin Empire affects current day French politics.

Hilarious that the part of France that was controlled by England is the part that voted against the Brexit-like candidate. Tongue
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« Reply #732 on: April 24, 2017, 05:30:53 PM »

I'm very curious how French citizens in Canada voted

So far I have seen results from the Quebec City consulate on twitter. 4288 voters, 4219 valid for candidates
Mac 30.11% Mele 25.09% Fil 15.49% LeP 13.64% Ham 7.95% Dup 3.1%

On the embassy page, not all voting locations are up.
https://ca.ambafrance.org/Resultats-officiels-du-1er-tour-de-l-election-presidentielle-2017-au-Canada
I calculated % for Moncton and I used the 295 ballots for candidates for the % (maybe the official stat is calculated on the total voter?)

Mac 35.2% Mele 20.6% Fil 15.9% LeP11.5% Ham 8.1%

Toronto, on the 3794 votes for candidates
Mac 48.2% Fil 17.7% Mele 15.8% Ham 8.8% LeP 5.5%

It looks like Montreal and Ottawa will be reported together.
But there was news on Radio-Canada on the results for Ottawa/Gatineau. It says:

Mac 42.8% Mel 17.5% Fil 17.3% LeP 8.5% Ham 8.5%
with 1021 voters from Ottawa and 679 Gatineau
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« Reply #733 on: April 24, 2017, 05:44:37 PM »

Since we all like discussing unusual political theories...





Discuss how the Angevin Empire affects current day French politics.

Hilarious that the part of France that was controlled by England is the part that voted against the Brexit-like candidate. Tongue
MACRON IS A PUPPET OF THE BRITISH

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« Reply #734 on: April 24, 2017, 06:07:38 PM »

Going to end up being a 65-70% smack down of the fascist.
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« Reply #735 on: April 24, 2017, 06:15:05 PM »




Paris results according to candidate. Macron does well in the center. Fillon as expected wins mainly the wealthy areas in the west. And melenchon does well in the eastern areas with a high portion of social housing.
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« Reply #736 on: April 24, 2017, 07:17:32 PM »

 Question, if there was a generic candidate of the right out there, without any personal baggage, who was running on Le Pens platform, but wasn't associated at all with the FN, would they be perceived as on the far right?  And would such a candidate have a chance of winning.  Before his personal baggage was exposed, it seemed that on immigration Fillon was coming fairly close to Le Pen politically.
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« Reply #737 on: April 24, 2017, 07:43:25 PM »

Question, if there was a generic candidate of the right out there, without any personal baggage, who was running on Le Pens platform, but wasn't associated at all with the FN, would they be perceived as on the far right?  And would such a candidate have a chance of winning.  Before his personal baggage was exposed, it seemed that on immigration Fillon was coming fairly close to Le Pen politically.


The closest to that was Sarkozy '07 when he gained traction in the primaries for the main center-right party because he was best seen as somebody who could pull the vast majority of FN voters(90% of them voted for him in the second round despite Sarkozy running on an more economically right-wing platform just because he was one of the candidates of the main parties who they shared closest with views on immigration. (Which was helped because when he was the mayor of a suburban ille de france commune he refused to accept the building of public housing). 

He was perceived as sympathetic to the far-right but not considered far-right.
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« Reply #738 on: April 24, 2017, 07:48:42 PM »

pro-putin, anti-eu super-right-wing, economically populist, french-holocaust-support-questioning LR candidate would seem quite far-right. yeah.
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« Reply #739 on: April 24, 2017, 08:29:48 PM »

Since we all like discussing unusual political theories...





Discuss how the Angevin Empire affects current day French politics.

I think it would be more accurate to say that western France is more fiscally conservative, while eastern France is more socially conservative.
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« Reply #740 on: April 24, 2017, 08:56:32 PM »

Should the French left have made a primary between Melenchon and Hamon before the general election?
The left was out of the runoff in 2002 and 2017 because of the split of the vote.
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« Reply #741 on: April 24, 2017, 09:02:28 PM »

http://www.bva.fr/data/sondage/sondage_fiche/1978/fichier_intentions_de_vote_-_vague_18_-_pop2017_-_19_avril_2017_-_presentation5e34d.pdf


For those who were wondering about the alternative scenarios. Page 24/25

Neither any of the candidates up against Le Pen would of been able to break 70% due a significant amount of the electorate in any of the scenarios because of absentions /or some voting for Le Pen due to unhappiness with their candidate losing.
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« Reply #742 on: April 24, 2017, 09:02:47 PM »

Should the French left have made a primary between Melenchon and Hamon before the general election?
The left was out of the runoff in 2002 and 2017 because of the split of the vote.

They tried to but the negotiations failed miserably
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« Reply #743 on: April 24, 2017, 09:07:10 PM »

Should the French left have made a primary between Melenchon and Hamon before the general election?
The left was out of the runoff in 2002 and 2017 because of the split of the vote.
PS called on them to join the "Primaires gauche" but both Melenchon and Macron were uninterested. In the end, only the PA candidate, the PRG canidate (which is basically just a more centrist PS spinoff at this point), the Ecologist Party candidate and the Democratic Front candidate joined.
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« Reply #744 on: April 24, 2017, 09:17:00 PM »

A map of the winner in each town sized by the population:
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« Reply #745 on: April 24, 2017, 09:44:41 PM »

So what's up with Le Pen stepping down from her party?
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« Reply #746 on: April 24, 2017, 09:46:37 PM »

So what's up with Le Pen stepping down from her party?
she is making an attempt to appeal to voters by "distancing" herself from the party, which she really will not be at all.

It'll all be an extremely big flop, let's be honest.
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« Reply #747 on: April 24, 2017, 10:15:22 PM »

So what's up with Le Pen stepping down from her party?
she is making an attempt to appeal to voters by "distancing" herself from the party, which she really will not be at all.

It'll all be an extremely big flop, let's be honest.



Im "stepping down from my party temporarily to focus on my campaign" is if her party was stopping her from focusing on her campaign in the first place.

But don't be surprised when some social conservative fillon voters say "wow i wasnt thinking of voting for her but OMG she stepped down from her party so that means she's so acceptable to me now!!".
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« Reply #748 on: April 24, 2017, 10:35:41 PM »

following this message from earlier today.....which was posted here:




fake accounts are sharing it




and Assange suggested he got something on Macron in February
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/assange-says-he-has-dirt-french-candidate-emmanuel-macron-rumours-homosexual-affair-swirl-1605925


this is going to be disgusting.
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« Reply #749 on: April 24, 2017, 10:37:18 PM »

This is obviously beyong stupid and classic alt-right nonsense, but do French people even care about affairs?
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