France 2017: Results Thread

[Frodo]

From The Guardian, with 74 out of 107 departements counted:

Macron: 23.3%
Le Pen: 22.5%
Fillon: 19.2%
Melanchon: 19.1%
Hamon: 6.35%

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

Le Pen is running in 5th in Paris, lol

Are there any French people still living?

No, it's 78% morrocan, 28% Turks and 16% chinese

The sad truth is, that you're not far away from reality...

Wikipedia is your friend; the area is overwhelmingly "born in Metropolitan France": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_arrondissement_of_Paris#Immigration

Very little research needs to be done to discover that the area is very wealthy and overwhelmingly white.

Born in France does not mean that they are French ;-) But ok, I know that for you guys a sheep born in a chicken coop is a chicken, not a sheep...

By that definition, does it mean I am not American since I am 2nd generation?

[Maxwell]

well one error i made in my prediction is that I assumed more Les Republicans would last minute decide "eh, Fillon's scandals aren't that bad" and vote Fillon. Polls were pretty much dead on.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

From The Guardian, with 74 out of 107 departements counted:

Macron: 23.3%
Le Pen: 22.5%
Fillon: 19.2%
Melanchon: 19.1%
Hamon: 16.35%

Which is pretty much matching what was predicted.

[Boston Bread]

I noticed that in Mayotte, with is 97% Muslim, Fillon wins with 33% and Le Pen is second with 27%. Also voted very right-wing in 2012 as well.

[Devout Centrist]

Le Pen is running in 5th in Paris, lol

Are there any French people still living?

No, it's 78% morrocan, 28% Turks and 16% chinese

The sad truth is, that you're not far away from reality...

Wikipedia is your friend; the area is overwhelmingly "born in Metropolitan France": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_arrondissement_of_Paris#Immigration

Very little research needs to be done to discover that the area is very wealthy and overwhelmingly white.

Born in France does not mean that they are French ;-) But ok, I know that for you guys a sheep born in a chicken coop is a chicken, not a sheep...

Your racism is showing.

[DavidB.]

Le Pen is running in 5th in Paris, lol

Are there any French people still living?

No, it's 78% morrocan, 28% Turks and 16% chinese

The sad truth is, that you're not far away from reality...

Wikipedia is your friend; the area is overwhelmingly "born in Metropolitan France": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_arrondissement_of_Paris#Immigration

Very little research needs to be done to discover that the area is very wealthy and overwhelmingly white.

Born in France does not mean that they are French ;-) But ok, I know that for you guys a sheep born in a chicken coop is a chicken, not a sheep...

Your racism is showing.

Shouting racism doesn't make you win the argument, sweetie.

[parochial boy]

I noticed that in Mayotte, with is 97% Muslim, Fillon wins with 33% and Le Pen is second with 27%. Also voted very right-wing in 2012 as well.

They don't like migrants coming over from the Comoros.

Also, Mayotte was basically created by putting all the anti-independence supporters on one island when Comoros became independent.

[Devout Centrist]

Le Pen is running in 5th in Paris, lol

Are there any French people still living?

No, it's 78% morrocan, 28% Turks and 16% chinese

The sad truth is, that you're not far away from reality...

Wikipedia is your friend; the area is overwhelmingly "born in Metropolitan France": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_arrondissement_of_Paris#Immigration

Very little research needs to be done to discover that the area is very wealthy and overwhelmingly white.

Born in France does not mean that they are French ;-) But ok, I know that for you guys a sheep born in a chicken coop is a chicken, not a sheep...

Your racism is showing.

Shouting racism doesn't make you win the argument, sweetie.

Then what is French identity? Genetic? Whiteness? Culture? And if so, how do you discriminate between Frenchness and non-Frenchness? Is this true for the United States as well? Are some American citizens not Americans?

[Progressive]

Le Pen is running in 5th in Paris, lol

Are there any French people still living?

No, it's 78% morrocan, 28% Turks and 16% chinese

The sad truth is, that you're not far away from reality...

Wikipedia is your friend; the area is overwhelmingly "born in Metropolitan France": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_arrondissement_of_Paris#Immigration

Very little research needs to be done to discover that the area is very wealthy and overwhelmingly white.

Born in France does not mean that they are French ;-) But ok, I know that for you guys a sheep born in a chicken coop is a chicken, not a sheep...

Your racism is showing.

Shouting racism doesn't make you win the argument, sweetie.

I mean in fairness, equating "Born in Metropolitan France" and "not being Muslim" at the very least points to some sort of implicit bias.

ANYWAY--

Quick question re: results...would one be able to say that Le Pen underperformed tonight?

[kyc0705]

Le Pen is running in 5th in Paris, lol

Are there any French people still living?

No, it's 78% morrocan, 28% Turks and 16% chinese

The sad truth is, that you're not far away from reality...

Wikipedia is your friend; the area is overwhelmingly "born in Metropolitan France": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_arrondissement_of_Paris#Immigration

Very little research needs to be done to discover that the area is very wealthy and overwhelmingly white.

Born in France does not mean that they are French ;-) But ok, I know that for you guys a sheep born in a chicken coop is a chicken, not a sheep...

I was not born in the United States, but I only have American citizenship. Am I still American in your eyes?

[GeorgiaModerate]

Le Pen is running in 5th in Paris, lol

Are there any French people still living?

No, it's 78% morrocan, 28% Turks and 16% chinese

The sad truth is, that you're not far away from reality...

Wikipedia is your friend; the area is overwhelmingly "born in Metropolitan France": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_arrondissement_of_Paris#Immigration

Very little research needs to be done to discover that the area is very wealthy and overwhelmingly white.

Born in France does not mean that they are French ;-) But ok, I know that for you guys a sheep born in a chicken coop is a chicken, not a sheep...

Congratulations, you win the grand prize!  That's the most ridiculous analogy I've seen yet (in 9 years on this forum).

[Xing]

Le Pen is running in 5th in Paris, lol

Are there any French people still living?

No, it's 78% morrocan, 28% Turks and 16% chinese

The sad truth is, that you're not far away from reality...

Wikipedia is your friend; the area is overwhelmingly "born in Metropolitan France": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_arrondissement_of_Paris#Immigration

Very little research needs to be done to discover that the area is very wealthy and overwhelmingly white.

Born in France does not mean that they are French ;-) But ok, I know that for you guys a sheep born in a chicken coop is a chicken, not a sheep...

Your racism is showing.

Shouting racism doesn't make you win the argument, sweetie.

Maybe, but it doesn't mean he isn't right.

[Bumaye]

Le Pen is running in 5th in Paris, lol

Are there any French people still living?

No, it's 78% morrocan, 28% Turks and 16% chinese

The sad truth is, that you're not far away from reality...

Wikipedia is your friend; the area is overwhelmingly "born in Metropolitan France": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_arrondissement_of_Paris#Immigration

Very little research needs to be done to discover that the area is very wealthy and overwhelmingly white.

Born in France does not mean that they are French ;-) But ok, I know that for you guys a sheep born in a chicken coop is a chicken, not a sheep...

Your racism is showing.

Shouting racism doesn't make you win the argument, sweetie.

 
 
Comparing different ethnicities of humans with different species of animals is textbook racism. Hell, Mein Kampf has a whole chapter with such comparisons.

[Mike88]

Vote by age:


From here: https://twitter.com/Yascha_Mounk/status/856228943464210433

[Progressive]

Safe to say that Le Pen underperformed tonight?

[Donnie]

From 43.31m voters (90.02%): Macron 23.71%, Le Pen 21.91%,Fillon 19.92%
Melenchon 19.23%

[Mike88]

Safe to say that Le Pen underperformed tonight?

I don't think so. The latest polls showed her at around 22%, the result she achieved tonight. The polls were fantastically accurate. A big applause for them!

[Barnes]

Safe to say that Le Pen underperformed tonight?

The polling? No. She was consistently in second place all this week.

Expectations? Well, most of the media outside of France crowned her la presidente several years ago...

[heatcharger]

More from that Ipsos poll for second round voting:



Can't read French, but I'm pretty sure that table with the red banner shows the preferences of Mélenchon, Hamon, and Fillon voters. According to this, Le Pen isn't drawing too much support from Mélenchon voters as it was hypothesized.

[TheSaint250]

Le Pen is running in 5th in Paris, lol

Are there any French people still living?

No, it's 78% morrocan, 28% Turks and 16% chinese

The sad truth is, that you're not far away from reality...

Wikipedia is your friend; the area is overwhelmingly "born in Metropolitan France": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_arrondissement_of_Paris#Immigration

Very little research needs to be done to discover that the area is very wealthy and overwhelmingly white.

Born in France does not mean that they are French ;-) But ok, I know that for you guys a sheep born in a chicken coop is a chicken, not a sheep...

Your racism is showing.

Shouting racism doesn't make you win the argument, sweetie.

I mean in fairness, equating "Born in Metropolitan France" and "not being Muslim" at the very least points to some sort of implicit bias.

ANYWAY--

Quick question re: results...would one be able to say that Le Pen underperformed tonight?

Looking at the polls, no.  Personally, since I thought she would surprise and come out on top, yes.

[Progressive]

Safe to say that Le Pen underperformed tonight?

The polling? No. She was consistently in second place all this week.

Expectations? Well, most of the media outside of France crowned her la presidente several years ago...

She also underperformed the regional election by several points assuming she stays ~22%...

[Progressive]

From WSJ Live Blog:

26m

For Le Pen Supporters, Qualification Is Bittersweet

Getting over 20% in a presidential election and making the second round is a historic moment for the National Front party. But at around 22%, according to the latest estimations, it's well below the 27.7% the party scored in 2015 regional elections.

“We could have done better. I was expecting we’d be first and have at least 25%,” said Alexandre Maeseele, a 19-year-old local who joined the party 18 months ago.

Some, however, are galvanized by Ms. Le Pen's second-round strategy: recasting the election as a referendum on globalization.

"French people should seize this historic opportunity because what's at stake in this election is wild globalization that endangers our civilization," Ms. Le Pen said.

With that division in mind, supporters are looking to voters who cast their ballot for far-left candidate Jean-Luc Mélenchon who, like Ms. Le Pen, railed against the EU and the globalized economy.

“It’s the far left so there are many ideas similar to the far right," said Caroline Zolnierczyk, a nurse who lives near Hénin-Beaumont.

“There are people who voted Mélenchon and can now vote for us. On the EU, they’ve understood it’s about free trade, falling spending power and unemployment," said Philippe Murer, an economic adviser to Ms. Le Pen.

Opinion polls, however, project that Ms. Le Pen is unlikely to pick up that many Mélenchon votes. According to a poll by Harris Interactive, only 12% of Mélenchon voters would switch to Ms. Le Pen in the second round. Ms. Le Pen is more likely to pick François Fillon's voters, of whom 23% would switch to the National Front leader in the second round, the poll shows.

[Xing]

Vote by age:


From here: https://twitter.com/Yascha_Mounk/status/856228943464210433

Interesting. That would suggest Le Pen isn't so much extremely popular with young voters as she is very unpopular with older voters.

[7,052,770]

I noticed that in Mayotte, with is 97% Muslim, Fillon wins with 33% and Le Pen is second with 27%. Also voted very right-wing in 2012 as well.

They don't like migrants coming over from the Comoros.

Also, Mayotte was basically created by putting all the anti-independence supporters on one island when Comoros became independent.

Anyone know whether Le Pen considers the French citizens on Mayotte to be truly "French" or not?