France 2017: Results Thread

[Antonio the Sixth]

The only conservative thing about these "conservatives" in Europe is going to church on Christmas. LMAO, what a bunch of traitors but so many honest righ-wing people are falling for it...

Whatever, not bad for LePen to have the whole Establishment against her. Makes it easier to get the 40% I rate as a success.

The only honest rightism supports the freedom of trade and movement. Protectionism and restrictions are characteristics of far-leftist regimes.

The only consistent feature of rightist throughout history is nationalism.

Bullsh*t. The only consistent feature of rightists throughout history is supporting the rich and powerful.

[seb_pard]

In election after election across the West, the Left has collapsed and the Right has either collapsed or adapted itself to the Far-Right. Each election has shown the "new left" being composed of white collar and minority, neoliberal, globalists against working and middle class nationalists. This does not bode well for those of us who support a Left detached from neoliberalism.

If it helps, the left here in Spain went from around 35% to about 42% (PSOE dropped 5 points, but Podemos/IU tripled their share). Plus our voting patterns do not resemble what you say at all. (either that or everyone is part of the "new left")

The Iberian Peninsula really defies this overarching downfall of the left narrative. Portugal more than Spain but still.  

The same applies to Greece, in many ways. Which raises the question of what potential factor(s) might set those countries apart politically from the rest of the "West"? But even with that stated, the mainstream left in those countries have been severely disrupted with the rise of new or alternative left-wing parties (that aren't neoliberal).

Probably because those countries were affected by military juntas a few decades ago. Their political story developed differently from other countries in Europe.

[JA]

In election after election across the West, the Left has collapsed and the Right has either collapsed or adapted itself to the Far-Right. Each election has shown the "new left" being composed of white collar and minority, neoliberal, globalists against working and middle class nationalists. This does not bode well for those of us who support a Left detached from neoliberalism.

And what about Corbyn? He's certainly not neoliberal, but he'll get demolished.

That's part of my point. With Corbyn at its head, the Labour Party is crashing. This is not solely his fault; there are multiple factors at play causing this dramatic decline. But he has been unable to unify the anti-Brexit vote in the same way that Conservatives have unified the pro-Brexit vote; if Labour could accomplish this, they'd be performing considerably better today.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

Who ever asked for New Caldonia:
François FILLON
31,13%
Marine LE PEN
29,09%
Emmanuel MACRON
12,76%
Benoît HAMON
9,34%
Jean-Luc MELENCHON
8,86%
Nicolas DUPONT-AIGNAN
2,90%
François ASSELINEAU
2,41%
Philippe POUTOU
1,48%
Nathalie ARTHAUD
0,96%
Jean LASSALLE
0,80%
Jacques CHEMINADE
0,28

[JA]

In election after election across the West, the Left has collapsed and the Right has either collapsed or adapted itself to the Far-Right. Each election has shown the "new left" being composed of white collar and minority, neoliberal, globalists against working and middle class nationalists. This does not bode well for those of us who support a Left detached from neoliberalism.

If it helps, the left here in Spain went from around 35% to about 42% (PSOE dropped 5 points, but Podemos/IU tripled their share). Plus our voting patterns do not resemble what you say at all. (either that or everyone is part of the "new left")

The Iberian Peninsula really defies this overarching downfall of the left narrative. Portugal more than Spain but still.  

The same applies to Greece, in many ways. Which raises the question of what potential factor(s) might set those countries apart politically from the rest of the "West"? But even with that stated, the mainstream left in those countries have been severely disrupted with the rise of new or alternative left-wing parties (that aren't neoliberal).

Probably because those countries were affected by military juntas a few decades ago. Their political story developed differently from other countries in Europe.

That's what I was thinking as well. That seems to be the only unifying factor of all three countries.

[Maxwell]

Five years and countless attacks later and Le Pen only improves her showing by about 4%. Europe is doomed. Europeans are just too stupid.

Hasn't there been a major trend toward the far right anyways though? And France is a country that is particularly vulnerable to it's influences.

This strikes me as similar to what happened in Holland - The Far Right gets over-inflated results a year or two away from the election (Le Pen scored as high as 32% at some points in 2014 and 2015) only to end up slightly on the up tick from where it was last time.

[TheSaint250]

Makes it easier to get the 40% I rate as a success.

40% is a "success" to you, which, of course, is a codeword for "still losing". Just admit that Le Pen is a losing loser who lost and that Wilders, Petry, and co. will never come to even close to achieving power.

You lost. You people always lose. Suck it up, buttercup, and just get over it.

*cough cough* US 2016 *cough*

[jaichind]

Le Figaro now projects

Macron 23%
Le Pen 22%
Fillon 19.5%
Melenchon 19%
Hamon 6.8%
Dupont-Aignan 5%

[seb_pard]

The only conservative thing about these "conservatives" in Europe is going to church on Christmas. LMAO, what a bunch of traitors but so many honest righ-wing people are falling for it...

Whatever, not bad for LePen to have the whole Establishment against her. Makes it easier to get the 40% I rate as a success.

The only honest rightism supports the freedom of trade and movement. Protectionism and restrictions are characteristics of far-leftist regimes.

The only consistent feature of rightist throughout history is nationalism.

Bullsh*t. The only consistent feature of rightists throughout history is supporting the rich and powerful.

Exactly.

Well, about this election. Not the outcome that I hoped, but well, Macron is not awful. As Hamon said, he is not an enemy of the republic

[heatcharger]

In election after election across the West, the Left has collapsed and the Right has either collapsed or adapted itself to the Far-Right. Each election has shown the "new left" being composed of white collar and minority, neoliberal, globalists against working and middle class nationalists. This does not bode well for those of us who support a Left detached from neoliberalism.

I understand your frustration I really do.

But just remember that this wave of populism had been 30-35 years in the making. Rright now it's more centered towards the right wing; but plenty of left wing populist movements are either forming or thriving. If the right wing populists either fail to win power or enact serious positive change then you'll see the next global phase be geared towards populist leftism.

No, that won't happen, unless these populist leftists oppose multiculturalism and immigration. The "economic anxiety" nonsense isn't worth much. People just don't want to live in a multicultural country.

Some leftists don't want to accept this.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

The only conservative thing about these "conservatives" in Europe is going to church on Christmas. LMAO, what a bunch of traitors but so many honest righ-wing people are falling for it...

Whatever, not bad for LePen to have the whole Establishment against her. Makes it easier to get the 40% I rate as a success.

The only honest rightism supports the freedom of trade and movement. Protectionism and restrictions are characteristics of far-leftist regimes.

The only consistent feature of rightist throughout history is nationalism.

Bullsh*t. The only consistent feature of rightists throughout history is supporting the rich and powerful.

That too.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Perhaps keep the Grade E level #analysis about GLOBAL TRENDS elsewhere and concentrate on the actual thing happening now?

Oh but who even cares.

[Tintrlvr]

Haven't even seen Hamon win any communes yet... Dupont Aignan got a few up north though.

Hamon won a bunch of heavily indigenous communes on Nouvelle-Caledonie. Doubt he wins any in Metropolitan France, though. His best shot was in Finistere, where he's from, but he's only getting mid-teens in his best communes in Finistere so far, well behind Macron and Melenchon.

Do you have a map of New Caledonia? I can't find any results for it yet.

It's on the France24 page, which has results for most overseas departments finished. Click on New Caledonia and it will zoom in and show results by commune. Enormous racial divide, as per usual.

http://graphics.france24.com/resultats-1er-tour-election-presidentielle-2017/

Edit: Hamon also won a commune on La Reunion.

[Vosem]

Makes it easier to get the 40% I rate as a success.

40% is a "success" to you, which, of course, is a codeword for "still losing". Just admit that Le Pen is a losing loser who lost and that Wilders, Petry, and co. will never come to even close to achieving power.

You lost. You people always lose. Suck it up, buttercup, and just get over it.

*cough cough* US 2016 *cough*

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/329940-trump-dreamers-should-rest-easy
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogeraitken/2017/04/23/merkel-trumps-u-s-putting-eu-ahead-of-britain-in-trade-queue-begs-questions/#6073d57d579b

That was your biggest defeat yet; y'all were conned by the master con artist of the United States. The globalist agenda will continue unrestricted.

[Pessimistic Antineutrino]

Map for whoever asked ^

[Beezer]

Fillon leads with 8 of 107 departements counted

Fillon 22.65%
Macron 21.74%
Le Pen 20.19%
Melenchon 18.65%

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2017/apr/23/french-presidential-election-results-2017-latest

FILLON CAN STILL WIN!

[ApatheticAustrian]

This election, as well as comments here, make it clear that the far left is as worst as the far right.

mostly ignorants, who don't get europe.

or only make economical points.

[JA]

In election after election across the West, the Left has collapsed and the Right has either collapsed or adapted itself to the Far-Right. Each election has shown the "new left" being composed of white collar and minority, neoliberal, globalists against working and middle class nationalists. This does not bode well for those of us who support a Left detached from neoliberalism.

I understand your frustration I really do.

But just remember that this wave of populism had been 30-35 years in the making. Rright now it's more centered towards the right wing; but plenty of left wing populist movements are either forming or thriving. If the right wing populists either fail to win power or enact serious positive change then you'll see the next global phase be geared towards populist leftism.

No, that won't happen, unless these populist leftists oppose multiculturalism and immigration. The "economic anxiety" nonsense isn't worth much. People just don't want to live in a multicultural country.

I'm afraid you're correct. Our current thinking is still stuck in a 20th century left/right political dichotomy, whereas the new left/right is emerging before our very eyes without us seeing it clearly. Bernie is the last gasp of a dying era, not the dawn of a new one. The future is a battle between globalization and nationalism in the world's most multicultural, globalized countries. Whether you're left or right depends on your position on this new spectrum.

[DavidB.]

This strikes me as similar to what happened in Holland - The Far Right gets over-inflated results a year or two away from the election (Le Pen scored as high as 32% at some points in 2014 and 2015) only to end up slightly on the up tick from where it was last time.

Indeed, it seems comparable.

[TheSaint250]

Makes it easier to get the 40% I rate as a success.

40% is a "success" to you, which, of course, is a codeword for "still losing". Just admit that Le Pen is a losing loser who lost and that Wilders, Petry, and co. will never come to even close to achieving power.

You lost. You people always lose. Suck it up, buttercup, and just get over it.

*cough cough* US 2016 *cough*

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/329940-trump-dreamers-should-rest-easy
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogeraitken/2017/04/23/merkel-trumps-u-s-putting-eu-ahead-of-britain-in-trade-queue-begs-questions/#6073d57d579b

That was your biggest defeat yet; y'all were conned by the master con artist of the United States. The globalist agenda will continue unrestricted.

I don't want illegal immigrants kicked out. Strange for a populist-supporting Republican, but it's true.  Also, the biggest con artist is the Democrat Party, the socialist media-manipulating liars they are.

[TheSaint250]

In election after election across the West, the Left has collapsed and the Right has either collapsed or adapted itself to the Far-Right. Each election has shown the "new left" being composed of white collar and minority, neoliberal, globalists against working and middle class nationalists. This does not bode well for those of us who support a Left detached from neoliberalism.

I understand your frustration I really do.

But just remember that this wave of populism had been 30-35 years in the making. Rright now it's more centered towards the right wing; but plenty of left wing populist movements are either forming or thriving. If the right wing populists either fail to win power or enact serious positive change then you'll see the next global phase be geared towards populist leftism.

No, that won't happen, unless these populist leftists oppose multiculturalism and immigration. The "economic anxiety" nonsense isn't worth much. People just don't want to live in a multicultural country.

I'm afraid you're correct. Our current thinking is still stuck in a 20th century left/right political dichotomy, whereas the new left/right is emerging before our very eyes without us seeing it clearly. Bernie is the last gasp of a dying era, not the dawn of a new one. The future is a battle between globalization and nationalism in the world's most multicultural, globalized countries. Whether you're left or right depends on your position on this new spectrum.

Oh I hope so.  #DownWithSocialism

[Vosem]

This is a new right-wing movement that sticks it to the establishment, to the "rich and powerful," and brings more positive solutions.  The US is the perfect example of this.

Nah, the victory of candidates like Van der Bellen, Hillary (in the PV, pretty clearly), Rutte, and Macron is the trend. The centrists are ascendant and supported by the people, and can be beaten only through weird electoral systems in the event of terrible candidates running terrible campaigns.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

Makes it easier to get the 40% I rate as a success.

40% is a "success" to you, which, of course, is a codeword for "still losing". Just admit that Le Pen is a losing loser who lost and that Wilders, Petry, and co. will never come to even close to achieving power.

You lost. You people always lose. Suck it up, buttercup, and just get over it.

*cough cough* US 2016 *cough*

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/329940-trump-dreamers-should-rest-easy
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogeraitken/2017/04/23/merkel-trumps-u-s-putting-eu-ahead-of-britain-in-trade-queue-begs-questions/#6073d57d579b

That was your biggest defeat yet; y'all were conned by the master con artist of the United States. The globalist agenda will continue unrestricted.

I don't want illegal immigrants kicked out. Strange for a populist-supporting Republican, but it's true.  Also, the biggest con artist is the Democrat Party, the socialist media-manipulating liars they are.

Lol, the Democratic party isn't socialist, I highly advise you learn what real socialism is.

[Figueira]

Who ever asked for New Caldonia:
François FILLON
31,13%
Marine LE PEN
29,09%
Emmanuel MACRON
12,76%
Benoît HAMON
9,34%
Jean-Luc MELENCHON
8,86%
Nicolas DUPONT-AIGNAN
2,90%
François ASSELINEAU
2,41%
Philippe POUTOU
1,48%
Nathalie ARTHAUD
0,96%
Jean LASSALLE
0,80%
Jacques CHEMINADE
0,28

Looks like Fillon won the capital, Nouméa, which was decisive.

[Mike88]

Le Pen speaking.