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« on: July 02, 2020, 06:05:39 PM »

In this time line party control of the presidency is correlated with party control in the UK - that is, it changes only after it has changed in the UK (or if it's obvious it will change very soon, as for 1996). I did kind of an exception for 2008 because you know the Great Recession.

Dwight Eisenhower / Richard Nixon (R) 1953 - 1961
Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R) 1961 - 1965
Lyndon Johnson / Al Gore Sr. (D) 1965 - 1973
Nelson Rockefeller / J. Caleb Boggs (R) 1973 - 1974*
Nelson Rockefeller / Gerald Ford (R) 1974 - 1977
Robert F. Kennedy / Frank Church (D) 1977 - 1981
Ronald Reagan / Howard Baker (R) 1981 - 1989
Howard Baker / Nancy Kassebaum (R) 1989 - 1997**
Mel Carnahan / Joe Biden (D) 1997 - 2000***
Joe Biden / Paul Sarbanes (D) 2001 - 2009
Colin Powell / John Sununu (R) 2009 - 2017
Chuck Hagel / Marco Rubio (R) 2017-

Losing tickets:
1952: Adlai Stevenson / William Fulbright (D)
1956: Adlai Stevenson / Estes Kefauver (D)
1960: John F. Kennedy / Stuart Symington (D)
1964: Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R)
1968: Everett Dirksen / Robert Taft Jr. (R)
1972: Al Gore Sr. / Ralph Yarborough (D)
1976: Nelson Rockefeller / Gerald Ford (R)
1980: Robert F. Kennedy / Frank Church (D)
1984: Frank Church / Henry Cisneros (D)
1988: Michael Dukakis / Lloyd Bentsen (D)
1992: Tom Harkin / Dick Gephardt (D)
1996: Jack Kemp / Newt Gingrich (R)
2000: John McCain / Tom Ridge (R)
2004: Rick Perry / Larry Craig (R)
2008: Evan Bayh / Ed Rendell (D)
2012: Dave Freudenthal / Adam Schiff (D)
2016: Tammy Baldwin / Andrew Cuomo (D)

*J. Caleb Boggs is forced to resign because of some Spiro Agnew-esque scandal.
**As in RL, the First Lady dies in 1993 and the President then falls in love with the VP!!! Voters find that scandalous à la Lewinsky.
***As in RL, Mel Carnahan dies just before the election - for which he was an underdog - and there is a massive rally-round-the-flag effect that hands Biden the election.
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2020, 09:34:45 AM »

1961-1963: John F. Kennedy/Lyndon B. Johnson
1963-1965: Lyndon B. Johnson/Vacant
1965-1972: Lyndon B. Johnson/Henry M. Jackson
1972: Henry M. Jackson/Vacant
1972-1977: Henry M. Jackson/Robert F. Kennedy
1977-1981: Ronald Reagan/Roger MacBride
1981-1989: Robert F. Kennedy/Gary Hart
1989-1997: Thomas Kean/Bob Dole
1997-2005: Ann Richards/John Kerry
2005-2013: Mike Huckabee/John Kasich
2013-2017: John Kasich/Christine O'Donnell
2017-present: Michael Pence/Cory Booker

POD: LBJ picks Scoop Jackson as his VP instead of HHH. This butterflies into LBJ running and winning in 1968.

Jackson runs for President in 1972, but LBJ dies of a heart attack in October 1972 - the "October Surprise". Jackson becomes President a month before the election, and is elected to a term in his own right one month later. If somewhat redundantly, Vice President-elect Robert Kennedy is confirmed to the Vice Presidency a week later, rather than in January. The duo is inaugurated "again" in January. (Note that since Jackson is serving less than two years of LBJ's final term, he can run for two terms in his own right)

The rise of drug use and escalating Vietnam War makes Jackson and the Democrats unpopular. Ronald Reagan and Roger MacBride are elected - despite less than two years of experience between the two (Reagan had only served as a congressman from California for a single term, and MacBride had never been elected to office) they are elected in a landslide against the incumbent.

Their lack of experience shows and Reagan goes down as a rather ineffectual President. Former Vice President Robert Kennedy and Senator Gary Hart are easily elected in 1980.

After a series of popular "Great New Deal" programs and defeating the USSR by 1983, Kenendy-Hart make history by winning all 538 electoral votes and 65% of the popular vote in 1984. Even Republican nominee John Connally's home state of Texas voted for the Democrats by less than 1,000 votes.

Republicans make a comeback in 1988 with a ticket of Thomas Kean and Bob Dole. The "boring" Governor managed to eek out a narrow 270 electoral vote victory over Vice President Gary Hart after Hart was discovered to be having an affair - on a boat called "Monkey Business" no less.

Kean and Dole are easily re-elected over Senator Jimmy Carter - the Democrats' attempt to nominate a virtuous man as a contrast to the sleazy Hart proved fruitless, and Kean won over 300 electoral votes in 1992.

Ann Richards made history in 1996 when she was the first woman elected President. She is re-elected in a moderate victory in 2000 (also the first election in which Washington DC voted as a state, after being granted statehood in 1997), but her second term proves to less popular than her first. Vice President John Kerry loses to Arkansas Senator Mike Huckabee in the "Republican Revolution" of 2004, which saw a resurgence of the religious right after a slight decline in the early 2000s.

Huckabee proves to be a controversial President, and is only narrowly re-elected in 2008 - though many speculate this is in part due to massive voter suppression by the right. Attorney General Mitch McConnell, of course, found no wrongdoing.

Mild-mannered Vice President John Kasich proves to be less offensive to moderates and is elected quite easily over progressive firebrand and New York City Mayor Bill De Blasio.

Kasich's presidency would not be an easy road. A mild recession followed by a fumbled-response to the Pakistani-Indian border crisis made Senator Michael Pence, a Democrat from Indiana, the favorite to win. Pence picked DC Governor Cory Booker as his running mate, who made history as the first African-American Vice President.

Is Michael Pence the same person who in real life is the Republican Vice President, or just a homonym?

(P.S. Do you have a particular disaffection for Mike Huckabee?)
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2020, 12:59:14 PM »


Is Michael Pence the same person who in real life is the Republican Vice President, or just a homonym?

(P.S. Do you have a particular disaffection for Mike Huckabee?)

Yes, Michael Pence was supposed to be the real life VP. He was raised in a Democratic family, and I just thought it would be a funny affect of a 1960s POD.

It's not Huckabee in particular as much as I dislike the religious right.

I see.
I have a particular affection for Huckabee instead, because I love the idea of a tax-and-spend Republican and he comes off to me as much less annoying on the "religious right" stuff than, say, Rick Santorum (someone who has been compared a lot to Huckabee)§
So you got me triggered a bit, I would have preferred to see Reagan (or even Kean) aided by voter suppression and what not.


§ Which is a comparison I hate, I think Santorum has been a fake populist with neocon tendencies (reminds me someone *cough* Tom Cotton *cough*), who has done everything he could to alienate his fellow Catholics and who by the way was pro-choice until he ran for Congress, which sounds very suspect.
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2020, 03:55:34 AM »


[4] "President Karen", as she preferred to be called, became the first female president and the first black president descended from slaves. Policy wise she was for the most part a second term of President Biden, however she suffered a personal scandal in 2026 which would finally give Republicans an opening to finally escape the wilderness and win back congress. Republicans could do little than to officially censure the President for her conduct in 2027, which she took as a moral victory. However, she lost her campaign for reelection while winning the popular vote.


The irony of a Black woman who likes to be called President Karen.
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2020, 11:41:05 AM »

[4] "President Karen", as she preferred to be called, became the first female president and the first black president descended from slaves. Policy wise she was for the most part a second term of President Biden, however she suffered a personal scandal in 2026 which would finally give Republicans an opening to finally escape the wilderness and win back congress. Republicans could do little than to officially censure the President for her conduct in 2027, which she took as a moral victory. However, she lost her campaign for reelection while winning the popular vote.


The irony of a Black woman who likes to be called President Karen.

She was deliberately trying to rehabilitate her first name. By the mid 20s the use of Karen as an insult wasn't cool anymore anyway, so it worked.

Interesting story. It would be good if Karen as an insult went away, except for the fact that it will probably be simply replaced by another name.
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2020, 06:38:30 AM »

Presidents of the United States since 1961

35. William A. Egan (Democrat-Minnesota) (1961-1965)
36. Wally Hickel (Republican-Kansas) (1965-1969)
37. William A. Egan (Democrat-Minnesota) (1969-1973)
38. Jay Hammond (Republican-New York) (1973-1981)
39. Bill Sheffield (Democrat-Washington) 1981-1985
40. Steve Cowper (Democrat-Virginia) (1985-1989)
41. Wally Hickel (Independent-Kansas) (1989-1993)
42. Tony Knowles (Democrat-Oklahoma) (1993-2001)
43. Frank Murkowski (Republican-Washington) (2001-2005)
44. Sarah Palin (Republican-Idaho) (2005-2007)
45. Sean Parnell (Republican-California) (2007-2013)
46. Bill Walker (Independent-Alaska) (2013-2017)
47. Mike Dunleavy (Republican-Pennsylvania) (2017-)

Governors of Alaska

1. Dwight Eisenhower (Independent) (1959-1962)
2. Lyndon Johnson (Democrat) (1962-1969*)
3. Hubert Humphrey (Democrat) (1969-1970)
4. John Schmitz (Independent) (1970)
5. Richard Nixon (Republican) (1970-1974)
6. Gerald Ford (Republican)(1974-1978)
7. Roger MacBride (Independent) (1978-1982)
8. Edward Clark (Republican)(1982-1986)
9. George Bush (Republican)(1986-1990)
10. Ross Perot (Independent)(1990-1994)
11. Bill Clinton (Democrat) (1994-1998)
12. Ralph Nader (Independent) (1998-2002)
13. George Bush II (Republican) (2002-2010)
14. John McCain (Republican)(2010-2014)
15. W. Mitt Romney (Republican) (2014-2018)
16. Donald Trump (Alaskan Independence/Independent)(2018-)

William Egan was born in Alaska and lived there all his life.
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2020, 01:23:51 PM »

Presidents of the United States since 1961

35. William A. Egan (Democrat-Minnesota) (1961-1965)
36. Wally Hickel (Republican-Kansas) (1965-1969)
37. William A. Egan (Democrat-Minnesota) (1969-1973)
38. Jay Hammond (Republican-New York) (1973-1981)
39. Bill Sheffield (Democrat-Washington) 1981-1985
40. Steve Cowper (Democrat-Virginia) (1985-1989)
41. Wally Hickel (Independent-Kansas) (1989-1993)
42. Tony Knowles (Democrat-Oklahoma) (1993-2001)
43. Frank Murkowski (Republican-Washington) (2001-2005)
44. Sarah Palin (Republican-Idaho) (2005-2007)
45. Sean Parnell (Republican-California) (2007-2013)
46. Bill Walker (Independent-Alaska) (2013-2017)
47. Mike Dunleavy (Republican-Pennsylvania) (2017-)

Governors of Alaska

1. Dwight Eisenhower (Independent) (1959-1962)
2. Lyndon Johnson (Democrat) (1962-1969*)
3. Hubert Humphrey (Democrat) (1969-1970)
4. John Schmitz (Independent) (1970)
5. Richard Nixon (Republican) (1970-1974)
6. Gerald Ford (Republican)(1974-1978)
7. Roger MacBride (Independent) (1978-1982)
8. Edward Clark (Republican)(1982-1986)
9. George Bush (Republican)(1986-1990)
10. Ross Perot (Independent)(1990-1994)
11. Bill Clinton (Democrat) (1994-1998)
12. Ralph Nader (Independent) (1998-2002)
13. George Bush II (Republican) (2002-2010)
14. John McCain (Republican)(2010-2014)
15. W. Mitt Romney (Republican) (2014-2018)
16. Donald Trump (Alaskan Independence/Independent)(2018-)

William Egan was born in Alaska and lived there all his life.

Yes, the real William Egan did, and none of the Alaska governors on the list ever lived in Alaska. Yet they do here because it's an alternate world. I decided it would be reasonable to have one president from Alaska, but if anything I didn't change home states enough.

This list and others like it basically assumes that the people listed aren't actually the same people as OTL in most cases but people based off them. Governor Trump for example is a real estate tycoon and landlord in Anchorage, but owns nothing or not much in New York City and has never lived in Queens.


Ah I understand. Because I noticed that at least your last five Presidents had as home state the place where they their real-life homonyms were actually born and I imagined Egan was a mistake.
(It's funny how so few Alaska governors were actually born in Alaska)
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2020, 11:46:14 AM »
« Edited: August 18, 2020, 11:53:17 AM by 𝔅𝔞𝔭𝔱𝔦𝔰𝔱𝔞 𝔐𝔦𝔫𝔬𝔩𝔞 »

If Italy had become a presidential Republic (two-round elections):

1948 - 1954 Alcide De Gasperi (DC)
Elected in 1948
Re-elected in 1953
Died in 1954

1954 - 1963 Mario Scelba (DC)
Ascended from the Vice Presidency in 1954
Re-elected in 1958
Retired in 1963

1963 - 1973 Aldo Moro (DC)
Elected in 1963
Re-elected in 1968
Retired in 1973

1973 - 1978 Giovanni Leone (DC)
Elected in 1973
Retired in 1978
Resigned in 1978 before the election

1978 Giacomo Mancini (PSI)
Ascended from the Vice Presidency in 1978
Retired in 1978

1978 - 1983 Francesco Cossiga (DC)
Elected in 1978
Not renominated in 1983

1983 - 1992 Bettino Craxi (PSI) [endorsed by DC et al.]
Elected in 1983
Re-elected in 1988
Resigned in 1992

1992 - 1993 Arnaldo Forlani (DC)
Ascended from the Vice Presidency in 1992
Retired in 1993

1993 - 1998 Silvio Berlusconi (Ind.)
Elected in 1993
Defeated in 1998

1998 - 2003 Massimo D'Alema (DS)
Elected in 1998
Defeated in 2003

2003 - 2008 Massimo Rutelli (DL)
Elected in 2003
Defeated in 2008

2008 - 2011 Silvio Berlusconi (Forza Italia)
Elected in 2008
Resigned in 2011

2011 - 2013 Roberto Maroni (Lega)
Ascended from the Vice Presidency in 2011
Defeated in 2013

2013 - 2018 Pier Luigi Bersani (PD)
Elected in 2013
Not renominated in 2018

2018 - Luigi Di Maio (M5S)
Elected in 2018
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2023, 11:13:28 AM »

If Italy had become a presidential Republic (two-round elections):

1948 - 1954 Alcide De Gasperi (DC)
Elected in 1948
Re-elected in 1953
Died in 1954

1954 - 1963 Mario Scelba (DC)
Ascended from the Vice Presidency in 1954
Re-elected in 1958
Retired in 1963

1963 - 1973 Aldo Moro (DC)
Elected in 1963
Re-elected in 1968
Retired in 1973

1973 - 1978 Giovanni Leone (DC)
Elected in 1973
Retired in 1978
Resigned in 1978 before the election

1978 Giacomo Mancini (PSI)
Ascended from the Vice Presidency in 1978
Retired in 1978

1978 - 1983 Francesco Cossiga (DC)
Elected in 1978
Not renominated in 1983

1983 - 1992 Bettino Craxi (PSI) [endorsed by DC et al.]
Elected in 1983
Re-elected in 1988
Resigned in 1992

1992 - 1993 Arnaldo Forlani (DC)
Ascended from the Vice Presidency in 1992
Retired in 1993

1993 - 1998 Silvio Berlusconi (Ind.)
Elected in 1993
Defeated in 1998

1998 - 2003 Massimo D'Alema (DS)
Elected in 1998
Defeated in 2003

2003 - 2008 Massimo Rutelli (DL)
Elected in 2003
Defeated in 2008

2008 - 2011 Silvio Berlusconi (Forza Italia)
Elected in 2008
Resigned in 2011

2011 - 2013 Roberto Maroni (Lega)
Ascended from the Vice Presidency in 2011
Defeated in 2013

2013 - 2018 Pier Luigi Bersani (PD)
Elected in 2013
Not renominated in 2018

2018 - 2023 Luigi Di Maio (M5S)
Elected in 2018
Not renominated in 2023

I just remembered this fun silly timeline I had made almost three years ago... let me add an update because why not (will I return to this in 2028? who knows).

2023 - Giorgia Meloni (FdI)
Elected in 2023
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