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« on: December 15, 2018, 08:06:31 PM »

Someone here made a mistake when merely testing new formatting tools. You have inspired whatever the hell I have birthed here:

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45. Donald J. Trump (Republican-New York) January 20th, 2017-December 3rd, 2021

The 2020 election would be a total letdown for Kamala Harris and the Democrats. When the dust settled, only two states, Arizona and Michigan, would flip in an election seen as a rerun of four years earlier.

Donald Trump's health was ailing, and as he put on his best face for the nation he was the subject of great sympathy. There was an understanding among Republicans that a vote for Trump was a vote for Pence. This came true as Trump resigned in late 2021 to retire to his resorts, and Mike Pence became the 46th President.

46. Michael R. Pence (Republican-Indiana) December 3rd, 2021-January 20th 2025

President Pence would govern more as a conventional Republican for his 3 years. However, his ability to pass legislation was limited by the Democratic controlled congress and division between what Republicans there were.

47. Beto O'Rourke (Democrat-Texas) January 20th 2025-January 20th 2033

Senator Beto O'Rouke, who had won his seat in 2020 in an otherwise disappointing year for Democrats, would win a close primary against Senator Sherrod Brown for the right to defeat President Pence in 2024.

The Beto administration would represent the high water mark of American liberalism. Beto, generally referred to by his nickname in all but the most official of documents, would embark on a progressive free trader agenda.

2028 saw President Beto easily defeat a deeply divided opposition. Two separate "Republican" candidates run (one officially under the Libertarian party), and spend far more time attacking each other than the President.

The Republican party would remain fractured during Beto's second term. Beto remained very personally popular and it was considered a serious possibility by pundits that the Democratic primaries would be the "true" election in 2032. The invisible primaries in 2031 ended with a single winner: Xochitl Torres Small, a member of the cabinet from New Mexico, would be endorsed by President Beto, giving her the backing of the establishment.

48. Margaret H. Weber (Democrat-North Dakota) January 20th 2033-January 21st 2041

However, the populist wing of the Democratic primary, supported by many populist sympathizing independents, was not going to let her go unchallenged. Margaret Weber, the governor of North Dakota, was perceived as both more economically left wing and more socially moderate than Torres Small. As small won both Texas and California, Weber would dominate "all those other little states" including tough races in North Carolina and New York. Later that year she would prove the pundits right and become the first female president.

As president, she would be technocratic on some science related issues that were critical in the 2030s. She would spend her first term strengthening Beto's government programs while also strengthening government oversight of large businesses and trade. She would spend most of her second term vetoing both radical and reactionary bills that had somehow survived the chaos of congress. She lost support from many wings of her own party, and they would all try and take control of the Democratic party for themselves, fracturing the party.

49. Benjamin A. Shapiro (Populist Republican-California) January 21st 2041- January 20th 2049

The 2040 election would involve no less than 5 major parties, competing under the United State's clearly obsolete FPTP system. Ultimately, having been out of power since 2024, some pieces of the Republican party would form a claimed revival in the Populist Republican Party. The PRP was heavily influenced by it's founder, congressman and public debater Ben Shapiro, and his public speaking skills allowed him to beat the field.

As President, Shapiro would try to revive the old Reaganite ideal of America. His pro-business managerial administration would appease the Republican wing of the Populist Republicans but alienate the Populist half. Shapiro was unable to block the implementation of ranked choice voting for 2044, but he won again through his strong marketing skills. His second term would be marred by the continued divisions in congress, and fierce opposition from every new "tinpot party" trying to make a name for themselves. Shapiro would be the only Jewish president.


50. Karen Misaka (National American People's-Hawaii) January 20th 2049-April 27th 2062


Misaka was the leader of one of the larger "tinpot parties", which referred to any party that did not control the Presidency (PRP/GOP) or congressional leadership positions. The National American People's Party (NAAP) united left wing economics and a rebirth of hard American nationalism. The party was at home at large stadium sized rallies proclaiming a New American Century and other populist rhetoric. The party was successful where Trump era nationalism failed: attracting non-white and female voters. In the chaos of the 2048 elections, which involved more political parties and movements than any other US election, a clear voice promising victory, success, and power would be the second and third choices of enough voters. After their victory, President Shapiro would be so horrified by the results he would briefly consider attempting a coup against peaceful transition of power, but ultimately he was persuaded otherwise.

President Misaka, the only Asian-American president, would prove to be a strong leader of a united political party. Americans were impressed by this and gave the NAAP a slim majority in 2050, which the party used to pass the 30th amendment which repealed the 22nd.

2052 would be a relatively competitive election, the last such election in US history. The NAAP would gain a super-majority in congress and most opposition in 2056 came from squabbling tinpot parties. This was even more true in 2060, which was essentially an acclamation of the NAAP's continued rule.

On February 28th 2061 President Misaka surpassed President Franklin D. Roosevelt as the longest serving president. 14 months later, the President died in office. Her long administration saw the incorporation of all Canadian provinces west of Ontario, as the USA took advantage of the North Atlantic Crises that economically devastated Canada. The NAAP was part of a greater trend away from liberal democratic capitalism in the west.

51. Eric Peña (National American People's-Nunavut, April 27th 2062-December 30th 2062) (Capitalist-Nunavut, December 30th 2062-December 9th 2063)

The first of two Hispanic presidents, and the only president from a former Canadian province, as he was the first senator from high northern state of Nunavut. Peña had moved to the state from Texas after the incorporation. He was considered a moderate party member, acceptable to most as a seat warmer while the party debated on Misaka's replacement and how the 2064 electoral events should be structured. Peña originally played true to this role over the summer, but when fall arrived he used what influence he had to campaign for his favored candidates in what actual general elections occurred during the 2062 midterms. Many more moderate NAAP members won as a result of this.

After the midterms, Peña quieted down again, scorned by party leaders for using the bully pulpit he had been appointed to. What they didn't know is that Peña had secretly been in contact with former President Shapiro, who by this point had exiled himself to northeast Asia. The two would debate and while Peña did not join the remnant of the Populist Republican Party or condemn President Misaka, he did join one of the tinpot parties, the Capitalist Party, which at this point was larger than the Populist Republicans and heavily affiliated with Shapiro and the international forum he was part of.

The reaction from the NAAP was outrage. Fear that Peña would use the bully pulpit to create serious opposition to the NAAP's single party rule drove debate into overdrive. Eventually, the NAAP decided on and executed a plan.

Peña's "administration" after his defection was characterized by him vetoing bills at the last minute, and the NAAP congress overriding them every time. His only power was the use of executive order, which he used to enact very limited pro-market reforms. Peña's stand against single party rule was undermined by his incredible personal corruption, he is considered the single most corrupt US president. As a result he was very personally unpopular.

52. Michelle G. Gonzalez (Vocational Revolutionary-New Mexico) (December 9th 2063-December 20th 2063)

Michelle Graham Gonzalez, as she preferred to be called, was appointed to the presidency after the NAAP's plan to remove Peña from office, which involved his corruption, succeeded. Graham Gonzalez would serve for only 10 days, 10 days which saw the NAAP reform itself into the Vocational Revolutionary Party (VRP) which would become the sold legal political party of the North American Vocationalist Unitary State. Michelle Graham Gonzalez became the last president of the United States upon the abolition of that country and it's replacement with the NAVU. She never officially resigned from the defunct office of President, and became the first General Secretary of the VRP.

The 2064 US presidential election was "held" by Ben Shapiro and his friends outside the NAVU. It was ignored.

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Many centuries later, a colony ship from the NAVU chose to revive the United States after arriving and setting up colonial rule on planet Inhose. It considered Michelle Graham Gonzalez the incumbent, 51st president of the United States. President Peña was considered illegitimate by the colony's historians because he was from a state that had not been properly admitted into the United States (the former Canadian province of Nunavut). The colony included an underage clone of Michelle Graham Gonzalez, who agreed to formally resign the presidency so the colony leaders could elect a new one. A period of civil unrest from supporters of the NAVU would follow however. A compromise was reached with the colony leadership in which the elected presidency would continue to control most executive power, but the clone of the last US president on Earth and the first NAVU secretary would become the Queen and her clones would be decanted on a regular basis to become. This system would work out for many centuries until the early 47th century (terran calendar) when Inhose's monarchy was abolished. The direct line of the royal family would live on until the late 50th century.

Inhose, one of many colonies established during the colony ship era of colonization, is rather off topic for this list. But I include it because that is where the last president of the United States lived, died, lived, and died again until the last living vestige of the United States of America died for good toward the end of the 5th millennium.
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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2019, 10:04:17 PM »


Thank you! Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2019, 10:04:58 PM »
« Edited: January 01, 2019, 10:23:28 PM by Swing State Ohio »

Based on a list I made years ago, which is based on an OTL pattern. Nobody got it the last time I posted it, but I didn't really do it consistently enough. This is an improved version.

27. William H. Taft (Republican-Ohio) 1909-1913
28. Woodrow Wilson (Democratic-Virginia) 1913-1920 [1]
29. Thomas Marshall (Democratic-Indiana) 1920-1921
30. James Cox (Democratic-Ohio) 1921-1929 [2]
31. Al Smith (Democratic-New York) 1929-1933 [3]
 32. Norman Thomas (Socialist-New York) 1933-1937
 33. William Lemke (Republican-North Dakota) 1937-1941 [4]
 34. Roger Babson (Prohibition-Massachusetts) 1941-1945 [5]
35. Norman Thomas (Socialist-New York) 1945-1949
36. Henry Wallace (Progressive-Iowa) 1949-1953 [6]
37. Eric Hass (Socialist Labor-New York) 1953-1961 [7]
38. Orval Faubus (Nationalist-Arkansas) 1961-1969 [Eight]
39. Fred Halstead (Socialist Workers-California) 1969-1973 [9]
40. Louis Fisher (Socialist Labor-Illinois) 1973-1977
41. Peter Camejo (Socialist Workers-California) 1977-1985
42. Gus Hall (Communist-New York) 1985-1989
43. Lyndon LaRouche (National Movement-Virginia) 1989-1993 [10]
44. Ron Daniels (Independent-Ohio) 1993-present [11]


[1] Wilson is credited with intervening in the Great War in a smart way, as the United States was credited as a neutral calm arbitrator of war crazed European powers - in particular the French, who were infamously difficult to negotiate with during the peace talks. He also embarked on some limited domestic reforms, helping improve the lot of the working class somewhat in an era remembered by modern Americas as a dark time. Wilson suffered a major stroke in 1919, and a second one would prove fatal in February 1920, forcing Vice President Marshall into office for 13 months.

[2] Cox stood against Republican efforts to undo Wilson's accomplishments and "return to normality" and was rewarded for it with two terms.

[3] The first Catholic president became infamous for his lack of concern for the lower classes during the Great Depression. After Norman Thomas defeated the independent liberal reformist FDR and the radical communist William Foster, Smith tried and failed to imprison the president-elect and to declare himself the winner of the election. This frightening affair failed and Thomas became the first of many socialist presidents, although Smith would lead a guerrilla army that terrorized the country during Thomas's presidency.

[4] The 1932 election would be the first of the pattern of Liberals vs. Socialists vs. Radical Socialists. Lemke tried to redefine the old Republican Party, associated with the reactionary gilded age of last generation, as the liberal party. He was endorsed by former Vice President Franklin Roosevelt. Lemke refused to pardon former President Al Smith, who was captured in 1935.

[5] Reaction came in the form of eccentric economist Roger Babson, who tried to undo many of Thomas's socialist reform that Lemke had not touched. Some succeeded, but President Thomas came back to defend himself and defeated him. What didn't help Babson was his "war on gravity" - his use of federal funds to study how gravity may be abolished. This was part of his "federal funding for innovators" program.

[6] The Republican party rebranded itself as the Progressive Party to distance themselves firmly from the gilded age, and won with Henry Wallace. Wallace is credited with US involvement in Russia, helping defend the Russian Socialist Republic. However, an increasingly ideological America decided he was too moderate.

[7] Hass's "Red Dare" socialist economic programs succeeded, but his attempts at racial and social equality in his second term ran into more serious opposition.

[Eight] The 1960s were a conservative time for the United States. Despite attacks from the mainstream as a "counter revolutionary pig" and a "devotee of the traitor president Smith" Orval Faubus won support as a cultural and social conservative who "wouldn't try to overwrite American society". He faced opponents from his own party in the form of Michigan politician Earle Harold Munn, supported by former president Babson as a real counter-revolutionary, in 1964 but ultimately held on against him and the Socialists.

[9] Halstead would win back the White House for socialism and would finally desegregate American schools. During this period of American politics, Socialism would be seen as the only way forward and disagreement would come from how socialism should work and what type of socialism it should be.

[10] LaRouche, like Faubus, held some culturally conservative views. However, he was praised for his strong foreign policy against the reactionary capitalist British and didn't make waves on economic issues.

[11] Daniels rejected party labels, and won promising to "make the United States fulfill it's Socialist promise: freedom and justice for all colors, creeds, orientations, and lifestyles." Him and LaRouche had few disagreements on economic policy, and he has continued LaRouche's anti-British foreign policy with direct intervention in Africa. California politician Marsha Feinland of the Peace and Freedom party hopes to succeed him in 2000.
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2019, 12:16:22 AM »

TOTALLY ORIGINAL PRESIDENTS LIST THE LIKES OF WHICH THIS THREAD AND THE ONE ON AH.COM HAS TOTALLY NEVER SEEN BEFORE.

POD: GEORGE BUSH ABDUCTED AND TORUTURED TO DEATH BY ALIENS FROM OUTER SPACE.

41. George Bush 1989-91
42. Dan Quayle 1991-93
43. Bill Clinton 1993-2001
44. Mitt Romney 2001-2009
45. John Edwards 2009-2013
46. John McCain 2013-2017
47. Marco Rubio 2017-2021
48. Borat Obama 2021-present
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2019, 06:41:53 PM »

Every single one these lists that contains a president born after the point of divergence is WRONG.

Here's an example from the most recent post, Truman as Teddy. Tim Ryan, as Harris Wofford's last VP, ascends to the office in 2019. There's only one problem: Tim Ryan, born in our timeline in 1973...does not exist in this different timeline. The probability of the parents of Tim Ryan going through the exact same series of events in their lives since the POD in the latter 1940s leading up to his conception, then the same sperm reaching the same egg, then the same pregnancy and birth, then the same childhood events, same opportunities acquired to become a politician..the probability is infinitesimal.   

Ever since I realized this truth this thread has become among the worst on atlas for me. If Harry Truman's presidency is different in even one tenth the magnitude required for him to pick a different vice president then the resulting cascade of different choices derived from different conditions and events makes it is more likely for the US to become an insane Catholic Communist theocratic regime then it is for Barack Obama or Tim Ryan to Ever. Be. BORN. Much less become aspiring politicians, politicians, then president.
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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2020, 04:28:53 PM »

38. Andrew Johnson (R) (1961-1968)
39. Lyman Hutchinson (R) (1968-1969)
40. Vincent DePew (D) (1969-1973)
41. Jimmy Yodeler (R) (1973-1981)
42. Beth Toddler (D) (1981-1989)
43. Edward McCutchen (D) (1989-1993)
44. Jerome Stein (R) (1993-1997)
45. John Kerrey (D) (1997-2001)
46. Micheal Bloomberg (R) (2001-2005)
47. Irene Blander (D) (2005-2013)
48. Ellison Rodriguez (D) (2013-present)

America has come a long way. President Rodriguez is the best on LGBT rights, legalizing gay marriage nationwide with the signing of the landmark marriage equality bill. However, while gay rights are becoming increasing accepted, that doesn't mean that the Republican party isn't rising after being out of power since the billionaire "Patrician President" Bloomberg. Many with no memory of a Republican President are now becoming voters and graduating high school. The Republican primaries for 2020 are an open question. Maybe I'll provide more detail about them later.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2020, 06:26:07 AM »

No because the next Democratic president after Biden, even if she is Biden's VP, won't be up against a Republican who's name begins with "D". Smiley

This is all just for fun of course, but here's my take on a 40 year cycle that respects the spirit, but not the letter, of previous cycles:

46. Joe Biden (D-DE) (2021-2025)

The Old Man, but old enough to step down after one term. In this scenario he picks Warren as his VP, despite Baker.

47. Liz Warren (D-MA) (2025-2029)

The Veep, also steps down after only one term. Rutherford B. Hayes (1877-81, R-OH) is the most recent President to do this before Biden, btw.

48. (R) (2029-2037)

The Moderate, is able to revive the Republican Party post-Trump. With economic progressives in office for the past 8 years, this could be a libertarian figure - fiscally conservative but just drops most social issues. (Gay/Lesbian Republican maybe?) Of course, that might be an issue in the south, and there's still a chance of a rural WCW populist instead. One thing's for sure, Trumpist methods for actually running the country are not returning, ever.

49. (R) (2037-2041)

This one doesn't correspond to anything, and I deliberately put it in specifically to ruin the sanctity of the cycle, while at the same time making sure it's 40 years instead of 36. Previous President's VP, first President since Bush I to lose reelection, although the fairness of the 2040 election is questioned.

Perhaps in the future we'll have a popular vote compact, and that will lead to a situation where the Democrats win a very close election thanks only to running up the margins in the big states.

As for the one term that s/he does get, it's a third term of the previous president, with some minor surface differences. The nation continues trucking along, trying to deal with climate change....

50. (D-TX) (2041-2049)

The Scion and The Texan. I assume there's some Democratic political family somewhere in Texas. Climate change gets baaaaaad in the early 40s. Cities like Houston, New Orleans, and Miami drown in hurricanes and high tide. Heat waves create a new dust bowl, as the great plains become a complete wasteland. Despite high levels of personal corruption, people place their hopes in this president to provide relief.

51. (R) (2049-2057)

The More Things Change, The More They Stay The Same. Turns out people don't like living in FEMA camps indefinitely, and people start getting really mad at the way the previous President is doing things. One pattern shared by both Texans is that both of their parties nominated their more humble political rivals in the next election (H3 68/McCain 2k8) which they lost. The loser of the 2040 Democratic primary, who is neither a scion nor particularly corrupt, is back to get embarrassed.

52. (D) (2057-2061)

The Wildcard, a very young figure (born in the early 20s) who nonetheless attracts some grouchy old millennial progressives. Kids these days never had to deal with Dubya Bush or Donald Dump! They have ZERO respect for their elders. This youngster is one of the GOOD ones we can trust to keep the future alive! Global climate change will destroy humanity and the only way to stop it is to BAN LAB GROWN MEAT! At least tofu isn't made from CHEMICALS!!!1. I'M NOT OLD!!

53. (R) (2061-2069)

The Old Woman

Carrying herself like a Matriarch, this figure is a millennial and was originally a Democrat, much like Ronald Reagan used to be over 100 years ago. Her platform is mostly about issues that don't exist or aren't understood yet. 2064 is the first true landslide in the 21st century, as they nation just throws itself at 4 more years.

However, to deliberately break the cycle, the Democrats come back in 2068 and win that year, although they essentially concede most issues from 2060/64 to the GOP. Who knows what the future will bring, and what new divisions will wreck havoc on America?
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2020, 08:46:57 PM »
« Edited: August 09, 2020, 08:58:05 PM by bagelman »

45. Donald Trump (Republican-New York) / Mike Pence (Republican-Indiana) 2017-2021
2016: defeated Hillary R. Clinton (Democrat-New York) / Tim Kaine (Democrat-Virginia), but LOST popular vote.

46. Joe Biden (Democrat-Delaware) / Karen van Haulton (Democrat-Florida) 2021-2025 [1]
2020: defeated incumbents Donald Trump (Republican-Florida[2]) / Mike Pence (Republican-Indiana), and won popular vote.

47. Karen van Haulton (Democrat-Florida) / Pete Buttigieg (Democrat-Indiana) 2025-2029 [4]
2024: defeated Mike Pence (Republican-Indiana) / Nikki Haley (Republican-South Carolina), and won popular vote. [3]

48. Michelle Ashbury (Republican-Connecticut) / Amanda Klien (Republican-Georgia) 2029-2037 [5]
2028: defeated incumbents Karen van Haulton (Democrat-Florida) / Pete Buttigieg (Democrat-Indiana), but LOST popular vote [6]
2032: defeated John Kennedy Jr (Democrat-Massachusetts) / Catherine Cortez Masto (Democrat-Nevada), and won popular vote.[7]


49. Zelda F. Lawton (Democrat-Vermont) / Martha Killroy (Democrat-Arkansas) 2037- [8]
2036: defeated Edgar Sanchez (Republican-Texas) / Craig Romney (Republican-Utah), and won popular vote


[1] Chose not to seek reelection. First president to do this since Rutherford B. Hayes (1877-81).

[2] Changed home state.

[3] The Democratic primary was a 3 way contest between Jamaal Bowman from New York leading the Progressive faction, Kyrsten Sinema from Arizona leading the emerging ultramoderate faction, and the Vice President supported as President Biden's chosen successor running in between them. Kamala Harris from California also ran, but was largely a non-factor by the time the voting actually started. The Republican primary was more confused, with Donald Trump Jr. running for worst primary campaign against JEB! 2016. The party settled on Vice President Pence, but the general election was less competitive than 2020.

[4] "President Karen", as she preferred to be called, became the first female president and the first black president descended from slaves. Policy wise she was for the most part a second term of President Biden, however she suffered a personal scandal in 2026 which would finally give Republicans an opening to finally escape the wilderness and win back congress. Republicans could do little than to officially censure the President for her conduct in 2027, which she took as a moral victory. However, she lost her campaign for reelection while winning the popular vote.

[5] A wealthy woman from Fairfield County, Michelle Ashbury became the governor of a blue state through strong political skills and the unpopularity of Gov. Lamont, and used her success to launch her presidential run. She became the third Republican president elected in a row to lose the popular vote and win the electoral college. While Democrats had accomplished much during the previous two terms, they got to kick themselves for never successfully abolishing the electoral college. While her campaign largely focused on domestic policy, streamlining of government services, criticism of the current administration, and plenty of populism thrown in for good measure, her presidency has been dominated by foreign policy after the Fist of God disaster of 2029 and intervention in Africa in 2031. They say the 30s began with the Fist of God disaster, and the world is still in its shadow. She is still currently President.

[6] The Republican party since and including 2000 has won thrice without the popular vote and only twice with the popular vote. From 2000-2036, Republicans have won 5 of 10 elections but only  2 of 10 of the popular vote matchups.

[7] While the President was not without controversy and opposition, as she was a woman of a privileged upbringing, most approved of her decisions regarding the ongoing global crises. Combined with a weak Democratic candidate seen as an empty suit by most and you have a recipe for the first Republican popular vote win in 28 years. Wasn't close to a landslide though.

[8] Not yet assumed office. Three terms of female presidents and now America has its first president-elect that is neither male or female. Lawton is also the first Democrat nominee from the progressive faction of the party,  which began with Bernie Sanders in 2016. Their middle name is Frisk.


Midterms


2022: The Red Ripple. Republicans gained very little, but what they did gain was consequential. Most of President Biden's major accomplishments were in his first two years.

2026: First major Republican midterms since 2014. 6 year itch and a slow burning scandal at the top.

2030: Neutral. Nation completely concerned with foreign policy issues.

2034: Major Democratic wave year. Democrats win on domestic and environmental policies, not to mention the 6 year itch.
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2020, 11:28:04 AM »


[4] "President Karen", as she preferred to be called, became the first female president and the first black president descended from slaves. Policy wise she was for the most part a second term of President Biden, however she suffered a personal scandal in 2026 which would finally give Republicans an opening to finally escape the wilderness and win back congress. Republicans could do little than to officially censure the President for her conduct in 2027, which she took as a moral victory. However, she lost her campaign for reelection while winning the popular vote.


The irony of a Black woman who likes to be called President Karen.

She was deliberately trying to rehabilitate her first name. By the mid 20s the use of Karen as an insult wasn't cool anymore anyway, so it worked.
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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2020, 05:19:39 AM »

Presidents of the United States since 1961

35. William A. Egan (Democrat-Minnesota) (1961-1965)
36. Wally Hickel (Republican-Kansas) (1965-1969)
37. William A. Egan (Democrat-Minnesota) (1969-1973)
38. Jay Hammond (Republican-New York) (1973-1981)
39. Bill Sheffield (Democrat-Washington) 1981-1985
40. Steve Cowper (Democrat-Virginia) (1985-1989)
41. Wally Hickel (Independent-Kansas) (1989-1993)
42. Tony Knowles (Democrat-Oklahoma) (1993-2001)
43. Frank Murkowski (Republican-Washington) (2001-2005)
44. Sarah Palin (Republican-Idaho) (2005-2007)
45. Sean Parnell (Republican-California) (2007-2013)
46. Bill Walker (Independent-Alaska) (2013-2017)
47. Mike Dunleavy (Republican-Pennsylvania) (2017-)

Governors of Alaska

1. Dwight Eisenhower (Independent) (1959-1962)
2. Lyndon Johnson (Democrat) (1962-1969*)
3. Hubert Humphrey (Democrat) (1969-1970)
4. John Schmitz (Independent) (1970)
5. Richard Nixon (Republican) (1970-1974)
6. Gerald Ford (Republican)(1974-1978)
7. Roger MacBride (Independent) (1978-1982)
8. Edward Clark (Republican)(1982-1986)
9. George Bush (Republican)(1986-1990)
10. Ross Perot (Independent)(1990-1994)
11. Bill Clinton (Democrat) (1994-1998)
12. Ralph Nader (Independent) (1998-2002)
13. George Bush II (Republican) (2002-2010)
14. John McCain (Republican)(2010-2014)
15. W. Mitt Romney (Republican) (2014-2018)
16. Donald Trump (Alaskan Independence/Independent)(2018-)
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2020, 01:18:11 PM »

Presidents of the United States since 1961

35. William A. Egan (Democrat-Minnesota) (1961-1965)
36. Wally Hickel (Republican-Kansas) (1965-1969)
37. William A. Egan (Democrat-Minnesota) (1969-1973)
38. Jay Hammond (Republican-New York) (1973-1981)
39. Bill Sheffield (Democrat-Washington) 1981-1985
40. Steve Cowper (Democrat-Virginia) (1985-1989)
41. Wally Hickel (Independent-Kansas) (1989-1993)
42. Tony Knowles (Democrat-Oklahoma) (1993-2001)
43. Frank Murkowski (Republican-Washington) (2001-2005)
44. Sarah Palin (Republican-Idaho) (2005-2007)
45. Sean Parnell (Republican-California) (2007-2013)
46. Bill Walker (Independent-Alaska) (2013-2017)
47. Mike Dunleavy (Republican-Pennsylvania) (2017-)

Governors of Alaska

1. Dwight Eisenhower (Independent) (1959-1962)
2. Lyndon Johnson (Democrat) (1962-1969*)
3. Hubert Humphrey (Democrat) (1969-1970)
4. John Schmitz (Independent) (1970)
5. Richard Nixon (Republican) (1970-1974)
6. Gerald Ford (Republican)(1974-1978)
7. Roger MacBride (Independent) (1978-1982)
8. Edward Clark (Republican)(1982-1986)
9. George Bush (Republican)(1986-1990)
10. Ross Perot (Independent)(1990-1994)
11. Bill Clinton (Democrat) (1994-1998)
12. Ralph Nader (Independent) (1998-2002)
13. George Bush II (Republican) (2002-2010)
14. John McCain (Republican)(2010-2014)
15. W. Mitt Romney (Republican) (2014-2018)
16. Donald Trump (Alaskan Independence/Independent)(2018-)

William Egan was born in Alaska and lived there all his life.

Yes, the real William Egan did, and none of the Alaska governors on the list ever lived in Alaska. Yet they do here because it's an alternate world. I decided it would be reasonable to have one president from Alaska, but if anything I didn't change home states enough.

This list and others like it basically assumes that the people listed aren't actually the same people as OTL in most cases but people based off them. Governor Trump for example is a real estate tycoon and landlord in Anchorage, but owns nothing or not much in New York City and has never lived in Queens.
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2020, 01:29:32 PM »

Presidents of the United States since 1961

35. William A. Egan (Democrat-Minnesota) (1961-1965)
36. Wally Hickel (Republican-Kansas) (1965-1969)
37. William A. Egan (Democrat-Minnesota) (1969-1973)
38. Jay Hammond (Republican-New York) (1973-1981)
39. Bill Sheffield (Democrat-Washington) 1981-1985
40. Steve Cowper (Democrat-Virginia) (1985-1989)
41. Wally Hickel (Independent-Kansas) (1989-1993)
42. Tony Knowles (Democrat-Oklahoma) (1993-2001)
43. Frank Murkowski (Republican-Washington) (2001-2005)
44. Sarah Palin (Republican-Idaho) (2005-2007)
45. Sean Parnell (Republican-California) (2007-2013)
46. Bill Walker (Independent-Alaska) (2013-2017)
47. Mike Dunleavy (Republican-Pennsylvania) (2017-)

Governors of Alaska

1. Dwight Eisenhower (Independent) (1959-1962)
2. Lyndon Johnson (Democrat) (1962-1969*)
3. Hubert Humphrey (Democrat) (1969-1970)
4. John Schmitz (Independent) (1970)
5. Richard Nixon (Republican) (1970-1974)
6. Gerald Ford (Republican)(1974-1978)
7. Roger MacBride (Independent) (1978-1982)
8. Edward Clark (Republican)(1982-1986)
9. George Bush (Republican)(1986-1990)
10. Ross Perot (Independent)(1990-1994)
11. Bill Clinton (Democrat) (1994-1998)
12. Ralph Nader (Independent) (1998-2002)
13. George Bush II (Republican) (2002-2010)
14. John McCain (Republican)(2010-2014)
15. W. Mitt Romney (Republican) (2014-2018)
16. Donald Trump (Alaskan Independence/Independent)(2018-)

William Egan was born in Alaska and lived there all his life.

Yes, the real William Egan did, and none of the Alaska governors on the list ever lived in Alaska. Yet they do here because it's an alternate world. I decided it would be reasonable to have one president from Alaska, but if anything I didn't change home states enough.

This list and others like it basically assumes that the people listed aren't actually the same people as OTL in most cases but people based off them. Governor Trump for example is a real estate tycoon and landlord in Anchorage, but owns nothing or not much in New York City and has never lived in Queens.


Ah I understand. Because I noticed that at least your last five Presidents had as home state the place where they their real-life homonyms were actually born and I imagined Egan was a mistake.
(It's funny how so few Alaska governors were actually born in Alaska)

Yea, I was very surprised about that as well, so it's easy to imagine Egan as a mistake. If I make a variant of this list based on other state it would be clearer.
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2020, 02:53:40 PM »

Two weeks ago Massachusetts showed itself to be woefully inept at choosing correct canidates so it’s not impossible but i fail to see even the most far fetched scenario that would see JFK JR lose anything other than the bar exam

You know you're salty when you're complaining about JFK JR losing on this thread of all places. 
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2020, 07:21:59 PM »

44. Hillary Clinton (Democrat) 2009-2013
2008: defeated John McCain (Republican)
45. W. Mitt Romney (Republican) 2013-2021
2012: defeat Hillary Clinton (Democrat, incumbent)
2016: defeated Barack Obama (Democrat), but LOST popular vote

46. H. Eugene Raymond (Republican) 2021-2025
2020: defeated Elizabeth Warren (Democrat)
47. Barack Obama (Democrat) 2025-2031
2024: defeated H. Eugene Raymond (Republican, incumbent) and John McAfee (Independent)
2028: defeated Ivanka Trump (Republican)
2031: forced to resign in the aftermath of the Hurricane State Allowance Scandal the previous year

48. Joseph Raimondo (Democrat) 2031-2033
49. Allen Clarkston (Republican) 2033-2037
2032: defeated Joseph Raimondo (Democrat, incumbent)
50. Zelda O'Patrick Smith (Democrat) 2037-
2036: defeated Allen Clarkston (Republican, incumbent)
2040: heavy favorite to win


The names aren't important. The idea here is that Clinton wins the primary which is tantamount to election in 2008, however she is a one term President. Romney wins against Obama despite Obama winning by over a 2% margin in the popular vote, and his moderate "good government" administration is followed by a right wing populist who very narrowly defeats Progressive Warren in a election where the electoral college is again very heavily tilted R in relation to the popular vote.

With Republicans in power for 5 out of 6 Presidential terms during the 21st century, Democrats turn to Senator Obama to unite Progressives and Neoliberals. 2024 is even more impressive than 2008 as a quixotic third party candidate steals votes from the Republicans, and Obama's margin of victory is commanding. Obama's charm leads him to another big win in 2028.

However, scandal breaks in 2030. A simple investigation into mismanagment of funds relating to hurricane relief reveals that President Obama was involved in scandal and he is forced to resign, a hero fallen, in early 2031. The Republicans, having suddenly gained congress, are in a perfect position for 2032.

However, they have little direction in the 2030s. Back when Boomers were still around in large number, they could count on their support both from fiscal conservatives and more rural right wing populists in 2020. Their party is confused. Their Presidential Candidate only narrowly wins in 2032, and presides over a major pandemic and climate change disasters while switching between duct taping them and encouraging everyone to keep calm and carry on.

Zelda Smith wins a landslide, a proper one beating either of Obama's performances and Clinton '08, and the Democrats have regained their place as the natural party of government during her administration.
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2020, 08:09:28 PM »
« Edited: September 22, 2022, 02:57:34 AM by bagelman »

43. Al Gore (Democrat) 2001-2003
2000: defeats George W. Bush (Republican)
2003: Assassinated by terrorist

44. Joe Lieberman (Democrat) 2003-2009
2004: defeats Billy Graham (Republican)
45. John McCain (Republican) 2009-2014
2008: defeats Joe Lieberman (Democrat)
2012: defeats John Kerry (Democrat)
2014: forced to resign due to cancer diagnosis

46. Kyle Hirokoma (Republican) 2014-2017
47. Hillary Clinton (Democrat) 2017-2021
2016: defeats Kyle Hirokoma (Republican, incumbent)
48. Donald S. Orlando (Republican) 2021-2025
2020: defeated Hillary Clinton (Democrat, incumbent)
49. Micheal J. Hoffman (Democrat) 2025-
2024: defeats Donald S. Orlando (Republican, incumbent)


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43. Al Gore (Democrat) 2001-2003
2000: defeats George W. Bush (Republican)
2003: Assassinated by terrorist

44. Joe Lieberman (Democrat) 2003-2009
2004: defeats Billy Graham (Republican)
45. George W. Bush (Republican) 2009-2014
2008: defeats Joe Lieberman (Democrat)
2012: defeats John Kerry (Democrat)
2014: forced to resign due to TacoGate

46. Jim McClure (Republican) 2014-2017
47. Hillary Clinton (Democrat) 2017-2021
2016: defeats Jim McClure (Republican, incumbent)
48. Donald S. Orlando (Republican) 2021-2029
2020: defeated Hillary Clinton (Democrat, incumbent)
2024: defeated Micheal J. Hoffman (Democrat)



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The POD is John McCain enjoying more success in the 2000 Republican primaries to make it a neck and neck race heading into spring. The two timelines diverge in the last few contests leading up to the convention in Philadelphia.

In the first list, the 2000 Republican primaries is much like 1976. With the primary results all but tied at the end, George W. Bush is selected at the convention in a smoke filled room, and McCain only begrudgingly endorses him. Bush proceeds to blow a winnable election against Al Gore. The DUI is leaked earlier and comes up often.

In the second list, the 2000 Republican primaries is the same way until some of the last few contests go Bush's way, allowing him to win without a smoke filled room. It's close, but McCain acknowledges Bush as the rightful winner well before the convention. However, Bush still loses against Gore, marginally closer than the first list.

In both lists, Al Gore is assassinated by a Radical Islamic Terrorist in early 2003. President Lieberman ascends to the office and immediately goes to war. His opponent in 2004 is Billy Graham, who runs a campaign mostly focused on opposition to abortion, and easily wins a full term as everyone expects. However the public slowly becomes war weary, 2006 sees progressives and Republicans defeat his neoliberal Democratic allies in Congress, and he faces a primary challenge from Barack Obama when he runs for a second full term. He wins against Obama easily enough but few are surprised when he is defeated in the 2008 General Election.

In the first list, John McCain runs and wins the primary in a similar matter to OTL 2008, and wins easily enough. He is well respected by the military, viewed as more respectful to ordinary foot soldiers than Lieberman. He makes a show of balancing his moderately neoconservative ideology with the concerns of "gold star families". In general, he sees that public attitude is against further military commitments, so he withdraws when he feels he can without sacrificing stability. He still keeps the US on a hawkish foreign policy, but he cultivates an image as a pragmatic administrator and his approvals among Democrats are above water. His popularity makes the 2012 election fairly easy for him to win. However, he suffers from health problems and is diagnosed with cancer earlier than OTL and resigns in late 2014 amid great sympathy. His VP, the first Asian-American to become president, runs a mediocre campaign and is brought low by partisan fatigue against Hillary Clinton in 2016.

In the second list, George W. Bush wins against John McCain in a matter like OTL 2000, much easier than ITTL 2000. Bush runs against Lieberman's policies, winning some more conservative doves that wouldn't have voted McCain and losing some hawks that would have. Once in charge though he largely continues military intervention abroad with a new, capital C Conservative face. The 2012 is more competitive and polarized than the first list, but Bush still wins. Bush is perfectly healthy in 2014, however his presidency is poisoned beyond repair by the amusingly named TacoGate with less than amusing dark connections to shady billionaires. His VP does his best to survive but is defeated by Hillary in 2016.

In both lists, Hillary wins due largely to partisan fatigue. Hillary is polarizing however, and the 2018 midterms are very ugly. In 2020 she is challenged by a right wing populist who ran against the establishment and the "swamp", including against Republican moderates, and he wins in a major upset.

In 2024 President Orlando is challenged by neoliberal darling Micheal J. Hoffman. This is where the lists diverge: President Orlando is defeated by Hoffman in the first list as McCain-Hoffman voters are found in droves in the suburbs of Atlanta, Charlotte, and other cities in both red and blue states. In the second list however, Orlando's stand against "corruption within and without his own party" in the face of lower public trust in public institutions works in his favor against Democrats trying to win Republican suburban voters. Nobody really wants Bush back.
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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2021, 06:29:57 AM »

43. George W. Bush (Republican-Texas) (2001-2005)†
44. Dick Cheney (Republican-Wyoming) (2005-2009)*
45. Hillary R. Clinton (Democrat-New York) (2009-2013)*
46. John E. 'Jeb' Bush (Republican-Texas) (2013-2021)
47. John B. Edwards (Democrat-Louisiana) (2021-2029)
48. Melinda Phillips (Democrat-Minnesota) (2029-present)

*lost reelection, †died in office

A timeline where the neoconservative movement is stronger and longer lasting, with the presidency of Hillary Clinton merely being an interruption. Republicans in JEB's first 100 days push through statehood for Guantanamo Bay (GB), giving Republicans a free congressman and 2 free senators. Democrats are barely able to attain ballot access thanks to partisan Republicans in the officer corp. Democrats finally show signs of life in 2020, as protest votes for terrorist inmates at GB receive write in votes from soldiers. Edwards, a conservative southern Democrat, presides over a slow return to sanity for the Republic. He has to deal with Speaker of the House Amy McGrath (Republican-Kentucky) and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (also Republican-Kentucky) during much of his time, but is able to block their far-right agenda. Finally in 2028 Democrats are back in power for real. The abolition of the state of GB is on the table, as are statehood for DC and PR, pushing the number of states up to 52.

Based on entry #4 here, which contains some amazing and a few wacky alternative history scenarios.
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2021, 07:16:04 PM »

Based on this

43. George W. Bush (Republican-Texas) 2001-2008
44. Dick Cheney (Republican-Wyoming) 2008-2009
45. Barack Obama (Democrat-Illinois) 2009-2017
46. Daniel Crumpt (Republican-New Jersey) 2017-2025
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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2021, 04:59:36 PM »

In honor of Walter Mondale, his fate switched with that of Reagan:

35. Richard M. Nixon (Republican-California) (1961-1965)
36. Stuart Symington (Democrat-Missouri) (1965-1973)
37. Jerome McKeene (Republican-Connecticut) (1973-1977)
38. Hugh Carey (Democrat-New York) (1977-1985)
39. Patrick L. Lorenz (Republican-Ohio) (1985-1993)
40. Jack Kemp (Republican-New York) (1993-1997)
41. Walter Mondale (Democrat-Minnesota) (1997-2005)

Notable losers:

1968: Ronald Reagan lost in a massive landslide, winning only slightly more of a vote share than OTL Goldwater '64 and fewer states.

1972: Lyndon B. Johnson tried to continue the progressive Democratic hold on power, but was defeated by a more moderate and Yankee influenced Republican.

2000: Former Vice President (under Kemp) Mitch Smithfield (Republican-Nebraska, think OTL Dan Quayle) known for being an embarrassment even to his state, was crushed like a bug. The debates were known for zingers such as "Where's the Beef" and "I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience." Smithfield lost his home state and most everywhere else but managed to barely hold Wyoming due to that state's strong fiscal conservatism.
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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2021, 12:30:59 AM »

Joe Biden as Bill Clinton:

46. Joe Biden (D-DE) 2021-2027
47. Kamala Harris (D-CA) 2027-2033
48. Lincoln Alvarez (R-NV) 2033-

Republicans make major gains in 2022, the last strike of the old reactionary boomer cohort. However their elderly retread in 2024 loses by much more than Trump 2020. In 2027 Republicans try and turn Biden's age and poor health into some sort of scandal, and it backfires horribly. Republicans had high hopes for 2028 that had been dashed by their cruelty. The Electoral College had been abolished during Biden's second term, so what could have been a nailbiter or even a Republican win turns into a closer than expected but easy enough full term for President Harris.

The Republicans finally reinvent themselves during Harris's term, and finally win the popular vote in 2032. Alvarez, the runner up of the 2028 primary, is considered the first Latin American President, and he brings the GOP into the 21st century.

Joe Biden as Ronald Reagan

46. Joe Biden (D-DE) 2021-2029
47. Kamala Harris (D-CA) 2029-2033
48. Ruthe Schmitt (R-CO) 2033-2041
49. Stacy Abrams (D-GA) 2041-2049

Joe Biden didn't enter office as an ideologue. He bragged about how he defeated the socialist Bernie Sanders, the choice of the younger generation back in 2016. However Joe Biden would do what Obama couldn't in the eyes of Millennial Democrats and their allies. Healthcare was seriously reformed during his term, even if it wasn't quite what Sanders preferred. America as a whole moved forward, and Joe Biden would turn from "Not Donald Trump" to someone greater than Obama. Biden also gave Democrats a true landslide in 2024 that greatly exceeded not only 2020 but also 2008.

President Biden was largely infirm during the later parts of his second term, and Vice President Harris took on a great deal of his workload. She won with around 2008 level margins in 2028. However she would face an unlikely opponent in 2032 in the form of an African-American woman Republican from Colorado, and the GOP would finally win the popular vote that year in their victory. In the opinion of many Republicans during the 2030s, the Democrats became the evil that Biden destroyed in the form of ruthless partisans. The 2040 election was very controversial, and old Democrats simply point to 2000 and 2016 whenever confronted about it, even though today's youth weren't even alive back then. Indeed, you pretty much need to be a senior in order to remember 2000 at all.

The United States has been under female Presidents who are at least partially African-American since 2029. Will this streak finally end in 2048?

Joe Biden as John F. Kennedy

46. Joe Biden (D-DE) 2021-2023
47. Kamala Harris (D-CA) 2023-2029
48. Nona Larkin (R-TN) 2029-2034

A far-right extremist and January 2021 capitol rioter assassinates the President while he is visiting California in November 2023. Kamala Harris assumes the office and largely continues Biden's policies, but replaces some cabinet ministers she doesn't get along with. After her true landslide win in 2024, she begins ramping the US up for the second cold war against China and intervenes in many foreign conflicts. She becomes unpopular with younger zoomers for being a warmonger and they don't turn up for Vice President Hoffman's run in 2028, which he loses. Hoffman would have been a far better President than Harris in my personal opinion.

The 2028 election involves 21st century Republican Nona Larkin, an east Tennessee native who is nonetheless seen as moderate on many old GOP bugbears. Because of this, Trumpists hijack the old Constitution Party and nominate a lunatic from the state of Florida, Cuban-American Hector Cabrera. Despite this party split, the unpopularity of the current administration allows the Republicans to win.

In terms of generational politics, Millennials are finally warming up to a modernizing Republican Party, the older generations are pretty strongly Republican, and younger Zoomers are angry at President Harris and willing to vote for her opponents. This leaves older Zoomers born in the latter 1990s as the best source of loyal Democrats remaining.
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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2021, 02:16:26 PM »
« Edited: May 05, 2021, 04:04:29 PM by bagelman »

45. Donald Trump (R-New York) (2017-2020)
46. Mike Pence (R-Indiana) (2020-2021)
47. Joe Biden (D-Delaware) (2021-2025)
48. Elsa Morriston (R-Pennsylvania) (2025-2029)
49. Rodrigue Jimenez (D-Arizona) (2029-2037)
50. Edgar Chavez (D-Texas) (2037-2041)
51. Joshua Palomino (R-New York) (2041-2049)
52. Kimberly Jackson (R-Connecticut) (2049-

Elections

2016: yep
2020: Biden flipped Texas in addition to stronger than OTL wins in Georgia and Arizona, but Trump managed to flip Maine statewide while holding Florida and North Carolina - the latter clearly having more in common with the former than GA or VA.
2024: VP Harris (D-California) loses 9 Biden states to Morriston. Minnesota is among the 3 she loses in the upper midwest, as the whole region enters a period of Republican dominance that began in Ohio and Iowa. The most surprising is probably Rhode Island. The popular vote is rather unclear but irrelevant.
2028: Narrow electoral college victory for Jimenez, through flipping only western 3 states, one being mighty Texas. Last election with the electoral college.
2032: This one is fairly boring, with former VP Kevin Cramer from North Dakota as the losing Republican. While "Jim" as he is nicknamed expands his margins in most of the country, Vermont and Hawaii both have high third party votes are are clearly less with him than other states. Vermont is beginning to resemble neighboring New Hampshire and upstate New York, while a major issue in Hawaii is government sponsored desalination plants.
2036: The losing Republican candidate is actually from Hawaii and wins the state, along with Vermont. Democrats still have their hold over metropolitan America.
2040: This decade is all about the rebirth of Northeastern Republicans. Palomino is the first Republican to win New York since Reagan's 1984 landslide.
2044: Democrats manage to make some inroads in the Great Plains of America, nominating a woman from Kansas in their loss against President Palomino who flips New Jersey.
2048: Northeastern Republicans maintain their hold on power. The nation continues to shift away from the old order of urban Democrats and a rural GOP.
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« Edited: January 30, 2022, 08:19:37 PM by bagelman »

41. George Bush (R-TX) 1989-1993

42. George Milk (D-NY) 1993-1997

George Milk is essentially a northern DLC Democratic, who rose through the ranks of the organization by relentlessly sucking up to them. He was a dark horse for the 1992 primaries and had the help of poorly timed scandal in defeating Bill Clinton. He appeared as a Democrat that "everyone could like" and won a contest that saw Perot almost get second place against the incumbent President.

As President, Milk was reasonably popular on domestic issues, refusing to rock the boat in pretty much any way, but badly bungled some foreign policy crises relating to the collapse of the USSR enough to make him unpopular. The 1994 midterms weren't as bad as OTL, but he lost reelection.

He is compared to Jimmy Carter and remembered as weak and indecisive.

43. W. Mitt Romney (R-MA) 1997-2005

The global situation cooled down again for Romney, and the economy continued to prosper. There was a bank collapse that caused a scare, but Romney earned praise for refusing to bail them out. Romneycare was an effort to deal with soaring medical costs, Democrats maintain that it is totally inadequate and the fight to repeal and replace his system defined their party for much longer than Romney's presidency. It is still today the bedrock of the American healthcare system, although it has clearly been expanded on since.

Romney won reelection in 2000 against Bill Clinton.

44. Jerome Hoffman (D-PA) 2005-2009

Romney couldn't have asked for a worse successor unless it was some communist. Jerome Hoffman was born into a working family, was a troubled teen, then became a successful businessman and politician. He was also very well known for his very eccentric personality. While moderate on several key issues, he refused to ditch the ponytail or shave his beard off. He also had a "active" love life and wasn't afraid to play fast and loose. He enjoyed holding rallies, and during his tenure his approvals were subject to sharp partisan divides.

45. John E. "Jeb" Bush (R-FL) 2009-2013

A fiscal conservative coming to "Free America" from the terrors of Hoffman, he barely won against a President the GOP was sure was a third Carter and his efforts to rollback his policies - he wanted things even trimmer than under Romney - faced opposition. Hoffman remained beloved by Democrats and accepted the challenge to become the next Grover Cleveland. Jeb Bush was simply too right-wing and America chose Hoffman as the safer option.

46. Jerome Hoffman (D-PA) 2013-2016

Hoffman returned to power, holding massive parties while the GOP held big protests when he was reelected. Hoffman's second term wasn't really as interesting as his first, he finally became almost like another president. At least before a big doozy of a sex scandal dropped in late 2015 that also involved the corrupt Vice President. Hoffman selected the guy who seemed to want the job the most, asked Congress to confirm him as the new Vice President which they did, and resigned.

47. Eugene Pietsch (D-MD) 2016-2017

Serving for most of a year, Pietsch was a pencil pusher with exactly zero appetite for the people side of politics. Instead he was a professional administrator, nothing more or less. Because of his governing style, a large following exists that considers him the best President in modern American history. This is especially influenced by his successor:

48. John F. Kennedy III (D-MA) 2017-2025

Pietsch's exact opposite, a people pleaser especially popular with older Democrats. A womanizer but less so than Hoffman. The master of the well timed blatant lie and a blue blood. He does deserve credit for passing the bills put on his desk and his closer than expected reelection against a wingnut in 2020. But his second term wasn't pleasant.

49. David Amas (R-TN) 2025-2033

Amas is the first US President of Middle Eastern origin. He can be described as a typical Republican, though more on the libertarian side. Big on personal responsibility and relating to average Americans, he defeated Barack Obama during his reelection campaign in 2028. Apparently 47% of Americans only care about themselves. Funnily enough, Obama got around 47% of the vote.
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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2021, 07:23:54 AM »

41. George Bush (1989-1997)
42. Hillary R. Clinton (1997-2005)
43. Richard Santorum (2005-2009)
44. John Kerry (2009-2013)
45. Nicki Haley (2013-2021)
46. Jerome Micheals (2021-2029)
47. Kevin J. Carlson (2029-)

This is a timeline where Hillary, a widow since just before the 1988 election, wins a tight primary in 1996. The Democrats had previously totally screwed up in the previous election, and tensions were high in the party. Nonetheless she finally lead them into power. She was very popular with her party during her term, won against Mitt Romney in 2000 (becoming the last Democratic candidate to carry Missouri as of 2029), and saw Clintoncare succeed before the GOP regained congress. After her retirement her reputation declined.

Rick Santorum came into office after her, as a paragon of the religious right. He only lasted a single term, although his reelection defeat was closer than expected.

Fast forward to 2020 and Barack Obama, who was on the shortlist to join President Kerry's cabinet had he won a second term in 2012, ran for President against Jerome Micheals. Micheals is a black man and the descendent of slaves who somehow looks slightly lighter skinned than Obama himself. Micheals won the primary as the outsider candidate, as Obama had been a senator for well over a decade at this point, and became President for two terms. Obama became Secretary of State under President Micheals during his first term.

Obama was then nominated by Democrats in 2028. He faced opposition from Jeff Merkely who preformed way better than expected and won several unexpected states, but still won in the end. He faced a businessman and commenter who had never held political office before in his life but had studied government and administration in college. Obama somehow lost against Carlson against all odds and in the face of punditry. Now Carlson is President and Obama is a private citizen.

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« Edited: November 03, 2021, 04:31:45 AM by bagelman »

46. Joe Biden (Democratic Party-Delaware) 2021-2024
Acting/disputed: Kamala Harris (Democratic Party-California) 2024-2025
Acting/disputed: Donald Trump (Republican Party-Florida) 2024
47. Joe Manchin (New Federalist Party-West Virginia) 2025-2029
48. Kurt Schrader (New Federalist Party-Oregon) 2029-2033
49. Scott Peters (New Federalist Party-California) 2033-2041
50. Krystan Sinema (New Federalist Party-Arizona) 2041-2049
51. Jared Golden (New Federalist Party-Maine) 2049-2057


Joe Biden ruled largely by executive order and is considered to have truly abused his power, snapping into an angry state after the GOP seemed poised to win big in the 2022 midterm elections. The GOP, lead by an increasingly demented Donald Trump, violently rebelled. The result was the arrest of President Biden as a result of an impeachment that turned out to be unconstitutional, his reinstatement, his suspicious death, and an attempted coup that occurred immediately afterward. The 2024 election was almost canceled as America would, for several months, collapse into true civil conflict.

Officially according to the GOP, Donald Trump was elected Speaker of the House which was controlled by the GOP. President Biden and Vice President Harris were both impeached for serious abuse of power, and Trump ascended to the Presidency. Trump had also won the GOP nomination for President for the 2024, and had also won the general election even though that hadn't happened yet. He also openly espoused that he was the true winner in 2020 as the fighting escalated. However, Donald Trump died in September and he had never selected a running mate due to the war.

Officially according to the Democrats, Joe Biden was President until he died in 2024, then Kamala Harris ascended to the office. However Harris had not won the Democratic Party's nomination cleanly, and Joe Manchin disputed her claim. Kamala Harris became deeply unpopular with Americans for her part in the civil war of 2024, and Joe Manchin emerged as a clear alternative. Manchin appealed to Republicans with a conservative campaign and doing the one thing that really mattered: making a show of leaving the Democratic party (while still being considered the Democratic candidate by many state parties) to set himself apart from them in the minds of conservative white voters.

The result is that Manchin won the 2024 election against Kamala Harris and an empty Republican ticket. To avoid another insurrection by Trumpists, Kamala Harris never formally assumed the title of POTUS, which remained empty until the inauguration of Joe Manchin in 2025.

The conservative (but not reactionary) New Federalist Party was formed by Manchin and has controlled the white house for over 30 years. Each President was a congressperson under Biden, who is depicted by history as a socialist who fancied himself the next FDR. Although Manchin and Schrader failed to establish the old tradition of retiring after one term, the President during this time provided a check on Congress as a moderate force of government. However it looks like the Democrats and Republicans are back to play in 2056 and it looks likely that one of them will win.

The Republicans are similar to old style moderate conservative Republicans who support a Christian religious revival and the American ideal of the smallholder, while Democrats are similar to Bernie Sanders style progressives more connected with international gaian movements gaining traction worldwide in the face of climate change. The Federalists are viewed as out of step in this new age, having run out of old early 20s era congresspeople, the early 20s being viewed as a time that America badly needs to move on from, especially as there are plenty of voters who did not exist yet during that time.

Because Kamala Harris is not viewed as a legitimate President, Barack Obama is the only nonwhite President to have ever served, and Sinema is the first woman to be President (and the first non-straight person, as there has yet to be a First Gentleman in the White House). Despite this, many Democrats view woke politics as a waste of time, a lesser priority at best if not a hallmark of a bygone age, when the real problems facing America are clearly environmental.
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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2021, 05:18:44 PM »
« Edited: January 30, 2022, 08:36:11 PM by bagelman »

44. Hillary R. Clinton (D-NY) / Evan Bayh (D-IN) 2009-2013
45. Donald Trump (R-NY) / Richard Santorum (R-PA) 2013-2017
46. Hillary R. Clinton (D-NY) / Barack H. Obama (D-IL) 2017-2021

In a 47 state US with a convergent political situation through the early 2000s, after a slightly larger W. Bush win in 2004, Hillary defeats Obama in the 2008 Democratic primaries. Choosing generic politician Evan Bayh as her running mate, she defeats a more competent McCain / Rice ticket in 2008. Obama remains senator.

In 2012, Donald Trump wins as the underdog against Mitt Romney in the Republican primaries. Trump was endorsed by Rick Santorum during the primaries and rewards him with the #2 spot, despite concerns about his last name not being catchy during the campaign, as he fills the OTL role of Mike Pence. Trump wins as the underdog again in the GE against President Clinton, running a somewhat more jovial and moderate campaign focused on his outsider businessman credentials. However as President he's just as divisive as OTL.

Hillary is able to mount a comeback in 2016, defeat Obama and Bernie Sanders. Obama drops out after a mediocre win in South Carolina and endorses Hillary Clinton in an effort to become the 49th VPOTUS. Hillary is essentially forced to pick him for strategic reasons: former VPOTUS Bayh became a corporate lobbyist after losing in 2012 and picking him again would insult the progressive left for no gain with moderates, and Hillary's preferred choice in Tim Kaine added little to the ticket in a must-win election against an incumbent President. As for incumbent VPOTUS Santorum, he became infamous by crying on national TV when the SCOTUS legalized gay marriage nationwide, and a clear debate victory against him would be important to shore up Democrats on the culture war front.

Hillary wins the 2016 election by flipping the large narrow states of Florida and Pennsylvania. She admits Puerto Rico as the 48th state in the US in 2017.

Few in the mainstream public are concerned about 2020 yet, but both Barack Obama and Bernie Sanders seem like likely Democratic candidates. Obama would likely win with the backing of Clinton, but Obama is not nearly as popular with zoomers and younger millennials as he was with older millennials in his failed run in 2008. Older, out of touch politicians and power brokers still see him as the "youth candidate" however and he's still likely to get their vote against an even more out of touch GOP candidate.

The GOP is looking to move beyond Donald Trump, but many believe Trump has more campaigning in him and will keep his hat in the ring. That said Trump is a poor matchup against Obama, as Trump seems to believe Obama is a Muslim Kenyan which is not a position that will help with moderates.

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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2022, 07:33:55 PM »

43. George W. Bush (Republican-Texas) 2001-2005
44. William B. Mitchell (Democrat-Missouri) 2005-2008 †
45. Gary Nance (Democrat-Ohio) 2008-2017
46. Marsha Blackburn (Republican-Tennessee) 2017-2021
47. Duane Stevenson (Democrat-Maryland) 2021-

† died in office

defeated tickets

2004: George W. Bush (Republican-Texas)
2008: Mitt Romney (Republican-Massachusetts)
2012: Newt Gingrich (Republican-Georgia)
2016: Hillary Clinton (Democrat-New York)
2020: Marsha Blackburn (Republican-Tennessee)

The Bush administration handles things just a little more sloppily and ends up falling to corrupt Missouri congressman William Mitchell in 2004. Mitchell had been supported by John Edwards in the primaries against alternative candidate John Kerry. Mitchell won over midwestern moderates but rumors of scandal were already popping up when he suddenly fell ill. After his recovery he made efforts to repair the reputation of his administration culminating in a speech in which he made an apology to the nation. However he fell ill again and this time passed away after 5 months in a coma, and was replaced by Gary Nance.

Nance won a full term over Republican nominee Mitt Romney due to a left wing response to the collapse of several Wall St. banks. He had an easier time in 2012 against Newt Gingrich. Nance is considered the progressive hero of the early 21st century and also cultivated a better reputation than his predecessor had. Blackburn was a religious right reactionary, replaced by Stevenson who has become the first black President. Stevenson is considered more moderate on some issues than Nance was.
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