List of Alternate Presidents 2.0.

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35. John F. Kennedy - Democrat - Massachusetts - 1961-1963
36. Lyndon B. Johnson - Democrat - Texas - 1963-1969
37. Richard M. Nixon - Republican - California - 1969-1974
38. Gerald R. Ford - Republican - Michigan - 1974-1975
39. George H. W. Bush - Republican - Texas - 1975-1981
40. Henry M. Jackson - Democrat - Washington - 1981-1983
41. Robert F. Kennedy - Democrat - Massachusetts - 1983-1989
42. Paul D. Laxalt - Republican - Nevada - 1989-1993
43. James E. Carter - Democrat - Georgia - 1993-2001
44. Edward M. Kennedy - Democrat - Massachusetts - 2001-2005
45. John S. McCain - Republican - Arizona - 2005-2013   
46. John E. Bush - Republican - Florida - 2013-2017
47. Barack H. Obama - Democrat - Hawaii - 2017-present

3 Kennedy’s as Presidents

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No Comey until 2045


45. 2017-25 - Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Timothy Kaine (D-VA)
46. 2025-33 - Larry Hogan (R-MD)/Nicole Malliotakis (R-NY)
47. 2033-35 - Josh Hawley (R-MO)*/Dan Crenshaw (R-TX)
48. 2035-37 - Dan Crenshaw (R-TX)/vacant
49. 2037-45 - Stacey Abrams (D-GA)/Michelle Wu (D-MA)

*resigned due to scandal

Losing tickets

2016: Donald Trump
2020: Mike Pence, Donald Trump, Tulsi Gabbard
2024: Gavin Newsom, Justin Amash
2028: Jon Ossoff
2032: AOC
2036: Dan Crenshaw (inc)

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43. Vice President Al Gore/Senator Joe Lieberman (D): January 20, 2001-January 20, 2005
2000: Defeated Governor Jeb Bush/Senator John McCain (R)
44. Governor George Bush/Secretary Dick Cheney (R): January 20, 2005-January 20, 2009
2004: Defeated President Al Gore/Vice President Joe Lieberman (D)
45. Senator Barack Obama/Senator Joe Biden (D): January 20, 2009-January 20, 2017
2008: Defeated Senator John McCain/Governor Sarah Palin (R)
2012: Defeated Governor Mitt Romney/Rep. Paul Ryan (R)
46. Secretary Hillary Clinton/Senator Tim Kaine (D): January 20, 2017-January 20, 2021
2016: Defeated Mr. Donald Trump/Governor Mike Pence (R)
47. Speaker Newt Gingrich/Senator Marco Rubio (R): January 20, 2021-December 14, 2022
2020: Defeated Senator Kirsten Gillibrand/Senator Martin Heinrich (D)
48. Vice President Marco Rubio/Senator Pat Toomey (R): December 14, 2022-January 20, 2025
49. Senator Kamala Harris/Lt. Gov. Pete Buttigieg (D): January 20, 2025-January 20, 2033
2024: Defeated President Marco Rubio/Vice President Pat Toomey (R)
2028: Defeated Vice President Pat Toomey/Governor Glenn Youngkin (R)
50. Vice President Pete Buttigieg/Sec. Michelle Wu (D): January 20, 2033-January 20, 2041
2032: Defeated Governor Glenn Youngkin/Senator Mo Brooks (R)
2036: Defeated Senator Mo Brooks/Senator Ted Cruz (R)
51. Vice President Michelle Wu/Mayor Eric Adams (D): January 20, 2041-?
2040: Defeated Rep. Madison Cawthorn/Rep. Matt Gaetz (R)

2000 (D): PV: 1.6 Million/1.5%|EV 300-238
2004 (R): PV: -0.9 Million/-0.8%|EV 274-264
2008 (D): PV: 11.9 Million/8.9%|EV 379-159
2012 (D): PV: 8.1 Million/6.4%|EV 347-191
2016 (D): PV: 7.9 Million/5.9%|EV 351-187
2020 (R): PV: -7.0 Million/-4.4%|EV 278-260
2024 (D): PV: 9.0 Million/5.8%|EV 319-219
2028 (D): PV: 21.5 Million/12.6%|EV 435-103
2032 (D): PV: 12.3 Million/7.0%|EV 391-147
2036 (D): PV: 15.5 Million/7.7%|EV 408-130
2040 (D): PV: 20.0 Million/10.3%|EV 413-125

PRESIDENTS:

Al Gore (1948-2043)
-US Senator: 1985-1993
-Vice President: 1993-2001
-President: 2001-2005

George Bush (1947-2043)
-Governor: 1995-2005
-President: 2005-2009

Barack Obama (1961-?)
-US Senator: 2005-2009
-President: 2009-2017

Hillary Clinton (1947-2037)
-US Senator: 2001-2013
-Sec. of State: 2013-2015
-Present: 2017-2021

Newt Gingrich (2042-2028)
-US Rep.: 1979-1999
-Speaker: 1995-1999
-RNC Chair: 2002-2018

Marco Rubio (1971-?)
-US Senator: 2011-2017
-Vice President: 2021-2022
-President: 2022-2025

Kamala Harris (1964-?)
-US Senator: 2017-2024
-President: 2025-2033

Pete Buttigieg (1982-?)
-Lt. Governor: 2017-2021
-Vice President: 2025-2033
-President: 2033-2041

Michelle Wu (1985-?)
-Mayor: 2021-2027
-Governor: 2027-2032
-Vice President: 2033-2041
-President: 2041-?

A nice scenario here

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Hillary “Grover Cleveland” Clinton

1-43 - same as OTL

44. 2009-13 Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN)
45. 2013-17 Sen. Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH)
46. 2017-21 Fmr. Pres. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
47. 2021-inc Gov. Barack Obama (D-IL)/Fmr. Gov Brian Schweitzer (D-MT)

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https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=181585.100

A modern version of this

45. Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine (2017-21)
46. Mike Pence/Nikki Haley (2021-25)
47. Kamala Harris/Roy Cooper (2025-29)
48. Ron De Santis/Kristi Noem (2029-33)
49. AOC/Ayanna Pressley (2033-37)
50. Kristi Noem/Jim Banks (2037-41)

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The curse of Tippecanoe makes a comeback

2001-2005: George W Bush/Dick Cheney
2005: Dick Cheney/vacant
2005-2009: Dick Cheney/Rudy Giuliani
2009-2017: Barack Obama/Joe Biden
2017-2025: Joe Biden/Elizabeth Warren
2025-2033: Ben Sasse/Beth Van Duyne
2033-37: Stacey Abrams/Jared Polis

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Gore wins in 2000:

43: Al Gore: 2001-2005 (loses re-election to John McCain)
44: John McCain: 2005-2009 (loses re-election to John Edwards)
45: John Edwards: 2009-2013 (loses re-election to Mitt Romney)
46: Mitt Romney: 2013-2021 (first president to win re-election since Clinton)
47: Bernie Sanders: 2021-present (fate TBD)

Mitt Romney first GOP since Reagan to serve 2 terms

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One term Bushes, Two term Clintons

1989-93 George H.W. Bush/Dan Quayle
1993-91 Bill Clinton/Al Gore
2001-05 George W. Bush/Dick Cheney
2005-09 John Kerry/John Edwards
2009-13 Jeb! Bush/Lisa Murkowski
2013-21 Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama

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42. Bill Clinton/Al Gore (1993-2001)
43. Al Gore/Joe Lieberman (2001-2009)
44. Jeb Bush/Mitt Romney (2009-2017)
45. Barack Obama/Dina Titus (2017-present)

Jeb! Bush followed by two term Obama

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45. Donald Trump Sr. (R-NY) / Mike Pence (R-IN) (2017-2021)
2016: def. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Tim Kaine (D-VA)

46. Joe Biden (D-DE) / Kamala Harris (D-CA) (2021-2025)
2020: def. Donald Trump Sr. (D-FL) / Mike Pence (R-IN)

47. Kamala Harris (D-CA) / Roy Cooper (D-NC) (2025-2033)
2024: def. Tucker Carlson (R-DC) / Ron De Santis (R-FL)
2028: def. Tom Cotton (R-AR) / Nikki Haley (R-SC)

48. Donald Trump Jr. (R-FL) / Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) (2033-2037)
2032: def. Gavin Newsom (D-CA) / Gretchen Whitmer (D-MI)

49. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) / Brian Schatz (D-HI) (2037-2041)
2036: def. Donald Trump Jr. (R-FL) / Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA)

50. Laura Loomer (R-FL) / Ryan Fournier (R-NJ) (2041-present)
2040: def. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) / Brian Schatz (D-HI)

A dystopia

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The Obama dynasty

44. Barack H. Obama/Joe Biden (Democratic): 2009-2013
45. W. Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan (Republican): 2013-2021
46. Paul D. Ryan/Mary Fallin (Republican): 2021-2025
47. Michelle Obama/Gavin Newsom (Demcoratic): 2025-2033

Defeated tickets

2012: President Barack Obama/VP Joe Biden (D)
2016: Former Sec of State Hillary Clinton/Fmr Gov Tom Vilsack (D)
2020: Governor Gretchen Whitmer/Rep. Julian Castro (D)
2024: President Paul Ryan/VP Mary Fallin (R)

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The "8" year curse. Presidents elected in an election year ending in 8 lose re election:

34. Thomas Dewey / Earl Warren (Republican): 1949-1953
35. Estes Kefauver / Adlai Stevenson (Democratic): 1953-1961
36. Nelson Rockefeller / Thurston Morton (Republican): 1961-1969
37. Hubert Humphrey / Terry Sanford (Democratic): 1969-1973
38. George Romney / Bob Dole (Republican): 1973-1981
39. Hugh Carey / John Glenn (Democratic): 1981-1989
40. John Glenn / Bill Clinton (Democratic): 1989-1993
41. Pete Wilson / James Thompson (Republican): 1993-2001
42. Dick Gephardt / Joe Biden (Democratic): 2001-2009
43. Mitt Romney / Lisa Murkowski (Republican): 2009-2013
44. Brian Schweitzer / Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democratic): 2013-2021
45. Paul Ryan / Nikki Haley (Republican): 2021-2025
46. Tom Steyer / Pete Buttigeig (Democratic): 2025-2029
47. Nikki Haley / Dan Crenshaw (Republican): 2029-2033
48. Jon Ossof / Tammy Baldwin (Democratic): 2033-Incumbent

Had Obama lost in 2012, they’d be talk about the 8 year curse. Harry Truman, Richard Nixon and George Bush all lost re-election or resigned (Nixon) after being elected in a year ending with 8

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The "8" year curse. Presidents elected in an election year ending in 8 lose re election:

34. Thomas Dewey / Earl Warren (Republican): 1949-1953
35. Estes Kefauver / Adlai Stevenson (Democratic): 1953-1961
36. Nelson Rockefeller / Thurston Morton (Republican): 1961-1969
37. Hubert Humphrey / Terry Sanford (Democratic): 1969-1973
38. George Romney / Bob Dole (Republican): 1973-1981
39. Hugh Carey / John Glenn (Democratic): 1981-1989
40. John Glenn / Bill Clinton (Democratic): 1989-1993
41. Pete Wilson / James Thompson (Republican): 1993-2001
42. Dick Gephardt / Joe Biden (Democratic): 2001-2009
43. Mitt Romney / Lisa Murkowski (Republican): 2009-2013
44. Brian Schweitzer / Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democratic): 2013-2021
45. Paul Ryan / Nikki Haley (Republican): 2021-2025
46. Tom Steyer / Pete Buttigeig (Democratic): 2025-2029
47. Nikki Haley / Dan Crenshaw (Republican): 2029-2033
48. Jon Ossof / Tammy Baldwin (Democratic): 2033-Incumbent

Had Obama lost in 2012, they’d be talk about the 8 year curse. Harry Truman, Richard Nixon and George Bush all lost re-election or resigned (Nixon) after being elected in a year ending with 8

It even goes further back because Hoover (1928), Taft (1908) and Harrison (1888) all lost their reelection bid, and Hoover and Taft did so by a landslide margin.

Before Obama Grant was the last president to serve two full terms while being elected in a year ending with 8.

We'll have to see if the winner in 2028 has Obama's luck or if they suffer the fate of the others elected in a year ending in 8.

2028 will be interesting. And before the American Civil War, Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) and James Madison (1809-1817) also served two full terms after being elected in a year ending with 8.

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John Kerry does a Grover Cleveland

44. 2005-2009: John Kerry/John Edwards (Democratic)
45. 2009-2017: Mitt Romney/John Thune (Republican)
46. 2017-2021: John Kerry/Susan Rice (Democratic)
47. 2021-inc: Susan Rice/Val Demmings (Democratic)

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The revolving Twenties. Jon Ossoff in 2032 breaks the curse and is the first POTUS since Barack Obama to serve two full terms.

POD is Hillary wins in 2016 and it sets off a series of one-term presidents in the 2020s in close elections. 1/6 happens in 2025 and Trump is impeached, removed and barred from running while Christie serves out the remainder of Trump’s presidency without a VP.  

45. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Tim Kaine (D-VA) 2017-2021

46. Donald J. Trump (R-NY)/Chris Christie (R-NJ) 2021-2025
 
47. Chris Christie (R-NJ)/none 2025-2025

48. Kamala Harris (D-CA)/Reuben Gallego (D-AZ) 2025-2029

49. Ron De Santis (R-FL)/Nikki Haley (R-SC) 2029-2033

50. Jon Ossoff (D-GA)/Lauren Underwood (D-IL) 2033-2041

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The 2020s are like the 1920s. 2028 is unique with two cabinet members on the GOP ticket and in 2032 the two main candidates are women.


2017-2021: Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA)
2021-2023: Senator John R. Kasich (R-OH)/Governor Charlie Baker (R-MA)
2023: Vice President Charlie Baker/vacant
2023-2029: President Charlie Baker (R-MA)/Secretary of State Nikki Haley (R-SC)
2029-2033: Secretary of State Nikki Haley (R-SC)/Attorney General Brian Sandoval (R-NV)
2033-2041: Governor Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY)-Representative Jared Polis (D-CO)

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2013-2049 but it’s like 1953-1989

2013-2021: Former Governor Mitt Romney/Representative Paul Ryan
2021-2022: Senator Elizabeth Warren/Governor Beto O’Rourke
2022: Beto O’Rourke/vacant
2022-2029: President Beto O’Rourke/Senator Amy Klobuchar
2029-2033: Former Vice President Paul Ryan/Former Governor Larry Hogan
2033-2034: President Paul Ryan/Representative John James
2034-2037: President John James/Governor Lee Zeldin
2037-2041: Governor Raphael Warnock/Senator Peggy Flanagan
2041-2049: Governor Dwayne Johnson/Senator George P. Bush

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Somehow, they're all from the same states they were sixty years ago.

I had the Rock becoming CA Gov like Reagan after a long acting career

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Like Father, Like Son

1961-1969: Al Gore Sr./Adlai Stevenson II*
1969-1977: George W. Romney/George H. W. Bush
1977-1985: Birch Bayh/Mo Udall
1985-1993: Paul Laxalt/Thomas Kean Sr.
1993-2001: Al Gore Jr./Adlai Stevenson III
2001-2009: Mitt Romney/George W. Bush
2009-2017: Evan Bayh/Mark Udall
2017-2025: Adam Laxalt/Thomas Kean Jr.

* Stevenson died in 1965 after a heart attack in London. I'm assuming that likely being in the White House with access to the best medical care in the world could have saved his life.

No Clinton’s yet

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Maverick down. Gore is succeeded by John McCain in 2005, but 111 days into his Presidency, the grenade incident in Georgia succeeds.

2001-2005: Al Gore/Joe Lieberman
2005: John McCain/Kay Bailey Hutchinson
2005: Kay Bailey Hutchinson/vacant
2005-2013: Kay Bailey Hutchinson/Tom Ridge
2013-2021: Barack Obama/Tammy Baldwin
2021-2025: Tammy Baldwin/Pete Buttigeig
2025-2033: Liz Cheney/Adam Kinzinger
2033-2037: Greg Orman/Andrew Yang
2037-present: Jared Polis/Michelle Wu

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Obama, Romney, Obama again and Romney again from 2009-2025.

44. 2009-2013: Senator Barack Obama (D-IL)/Senator Joe Biden (D-DE)
45. 2013-2017: Former Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Representative Paul Ryan (R-WI)
46. 2017-2021: Former President Barack Obama (D-IL)/Senator Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
47. 2021-2025: Former President Mitt Romney (R-UT)/Former Senator Jeff Flake (R-AZ)

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Not Me, Us: The Presidency of Bernie Sanders and Beyond:

46. Bernie Sanders / Amy Klobuchar (Democratic): 2021-2025
Def. 2020: Donald Trump / Mike Pence (Republican)
47. Amy Klobuchar / Jeff Merkley (Democratic): 2025-2033
Def. 2024: Ron DeSantis / Kristi Noem (Republican)
Def. 2028: Glenn Youngkin / Kim Reynolds (Republican)
48. Dan Crenshaw / John James (Republican): 2033-Present
Def. 2032: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez / Michael Bennet (Democratic)

A nice scenario

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A different 2000s

43. George W. Bush/Dick Cheney 2001
44. Dick Cheney/vacant 2001
44. Dick Cheney/John Ashcroft 2001-2005
45. John Ashcroft/vacant
46. John Ashcroft/Haley Barbour 2005-2009
47. Barack Obama/Joe Biden 2009-2017
48. Mitt Romney/Nikki Haley 2017-2025

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Presidents

Bill Clinton
41st President of the United States
January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1997
_{def 1988: George H.W. Bush / Dan Quayle
def 1992: Bob Dole / Jack Kemp}

Rush Limbaugh
42nd President of the United States
January 20, 1997 - January 20, 2001
_{def 1996: Al Gore / Jerry Brown}

Tom Harkin
43rd President of the United States
January 20, 2001 - January 20, 2009
_{def 2000: Rush Limbaugh / Trent Lott
def 2004: George W. Bush / Dick Cheney}

John McCain
44th President of the United States
January 20, 2009 - January 20, 2013
_{def 2008: Hillary Clinton / Joe Lieberman}

Donald Trump
45th President of the United States
January 20, 2013 - January 20, 2021
_{def 2012: John McCain / Tom Ridge
def 2016: Mitt Romney / Paul Ryan}
President John McCain faces strong disapproval for his response to a slow recovering economy, with wages shrinking for the middle and working class, rising for the wealthy, and no sign of the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ending. President McCain's approval falls to 26% during the summer 2011 troop surge in Iraq. Trump, campaigns with the moniker "Make America Great Again" looking to end the wars and American imperialism overseas, holding big corporations accountable, cutting taxes for the middle class, and shaking up Washington DC. Trump's populist message resonates across party lines, he gains the support of former Presidents Limbaugh, Clinton, and Harkin, wins in a 398-135 landslide in 2012, 425 to 108 in 2016, as the Republican party fails to let go of it's white collar, country club, corporate image, and neoconservative foreign policy.

Rand Paul
46th President of the United States
January 20, 2021 - January 20, 2029
_{def 2020: Barack Obama / Gretchen Whitmer
def 2024: Joe Biden / Kamala Harris}
President Trump has near universal approval from Democrats and strong approvals from Republicans through 2019, but faces backlash inside the Democratic party for allowing states to dictate COVID-19 mitigation policies. Incumbent VP and Dem nominee Barack Obama campaigns on the administration's vaccine development, while slightly distancing himself from his boss on mitigation. On the Republican side, Rand Paul pleads for the Republican Party to lose unpopular tired policies, campaigns on shaking up DC, cutting taxes, regulations, and being a Trump ally in the Senate. Paul wins the nomination over Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Mitt Romney, and Jeb Bush. The general election is close, with PA and Arizona results not coming in for days. Paul is projected to win PA to pass 270 electoral votes at 11:30pm ET on November 6, 2020, and be elected the nation's 46th President.

Josh Shapiro
47th President of the United States
January 20, 2029 - January 20, 2033
_{def 2028: Ron DeSantis / Nikki Haley}

Lee Zeldin
48th President of the United States
January 20, 2033 - January 20, 2041
_{def 2028: Josh Shapiro / Kirsten Gillibrand
def 2032: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez / Raphael Warnock}  


Vice Presidents
1989 - 1997: Al Gore
1997 - 2001: Trent Lott
2001 - 2009: Dennis Kucinich
2009 - 2013: Tom Ridge
2013 - 2021: Barack Obama
2021 - 2029: Kristi Noem
2029 - 2023: Val Demings
2033 - 2041: Tulsi Gabbard

Limaugh in '97....

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Kerry does a Cleveland

43. George W. Bush (R-TX)/Dick Cheney (R-WY) 2001-2005
2000: Def. Al Gore (D-TN)/Joe Lieberman (D-CT)

44. John Kerry (D-MA)/John Edwards (D-NC) 2005-2009
2004: Def. George W. Bush (R-TX)/Dick Cheney (R-WY)

45. Jeb Bush (R-FL)/Tom Ridge (R-PA) 2009-2017
2008: Def. John Kerry (D-MA)/Howard Dean (D-VT)
2012: Def. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Ted Strickland (D-OH)


46. John Kerry (D-MA)/Barack Obama (D-IL) 2017-2021
2016: Def. Charlie Crist (R-FL)/Kelly Ayotte (R-NH)

47. Barack Obama (D-IL)/Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) 2021-incumbent
2020: Def. Donald Trump (R-NY)/Newt Gingrich (R-GA); Jon Huntsman (I-UT)/James Stavridis (I-FL)