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« Reply #950 on: June 05, 2020, 11:52:21 AM »
« edited: June 06, 2020, 12:26:02 PM by LabourJersey »

Another list from my old idea of "The Compromise of 1877 leads to a constitutional amendment where the President can only serve on 6-year term"

19. Rutherford B. Hayes (R-OH) Mar. 4 1877- Mar. 4 1881
20. James A. Garfield (R-OH) Mar. 4 1881- Mar. 4 1887
21. James G. Blaine (R-ME) Mar. 4 1887- Mar. 4 1893
22. Grover Cleveland (D-NY) Mar. 4 1893- Mar. 4 1899
23. William B. Allison (R-IA) Mar. 4 1899- Mar. 4 1905
24. Philander Knox (R-PA) Mar. 4 1905- Mar. 4 1911
25. William R. Hearst (D-NY) Mar. 4 1911- Mar. 4 1917
26. Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY) Mar. 4 1917- Jul. 8 1919*
27. Frank Lowden (R-IL) Jul. 8 1919- Mar. 4 1923
28. Herbert C. Hoover (R-CA) Mar. 4 1923- Mar. 4 1929
29. Calvin Coolidge (R-MA) Mar. 4 1929- Dec. 1 1932**
30. Walter Edge (R-NJ) Dec. 1 1932- Mar. 4 1935
31. Al Smith (D-NY) Mar. 4 1935- Jan. 2 1941***
32. Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. (R-NY) Jan. 2 1941-Feb. 28 1944**
33. Arthur H. James (R-PA) Feb. 28 1944- Jan. 2 1947
34. William O. Douglas (D-MN) Jan. 2 1947- Jan. 2 1953
35. Omar N. Bradley (R-MO) Jan. 2 1953- Jan. 2 1959
36. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) Jan. 2 1959- Jan. 2 1965
37. Joseph P. Kennedy Jr (D-MA) Jan. 2 1965- Jan. 2 1971
38. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) Jan. 1 1971- Jan. 2 1977
39. Walter Mondale (D-MN) Jan. 2 1977- Oct. 24 1978*
40. Hugh Carey (D-NY) Oct. 24 1978- Jan. 2 1983
41. John G. Tower (R-TX) Jan. 2 1983- Jan. 2 1989
42. Jack Kemp (R-NY) Jan. 2 1989- Jan. 2 1995
43. Albert Gore (D-TN) Jan. 2 1995- Jan. 2 2001
44. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)  Jan. 2 2001- Jan. 2 2007
45. Duncan L Hunter (R-CA) Jan. 2 2007- Jan. 2 2013
46. Joseph P. Kennedy III (D-MA) Jan. 2 2013- Jan. 2 2019
47. Sarah Heath (R-ID) Jan. 2 2019- present


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« Reply #951 on: June 09, 2020, 04:06:03 PM »

Prime Ministers of the Commonwealth of America.
1785-1790: Benjamin Franklin (Crossbencher) (1)*
1790-1795: Joseph Galloway (Tory) (2)
1795-1805: Thomas Jefferson (Whig) (3)
1805-1815: James Madison (Whig) (4)
1815-1820: James Monroe (Whig) (5)
1820-1823: Alexander Hamilton (Tory) (6)*
1823-1824: Henry Clay (Tory) (7)
1824-1832: John Calhoun (Whig) (8)
1832-1840: Henry Clay (Tory) (9)
1840-1842: John Tyler (Whig) (10)
1842-1844: Henry Clay (Tory) (11)
1844-1848: James Polk (Whig) (12)
1848-1851: Henry Clay (Tory) (13)*
1851-1852: Daniel Webster (Tory) (14)
1852-1855: Franklin Pierce (Whig)  (15)*
1855-1860: James Buchanan (Whig) (16)
1860-1865: Abraham Lincoln (Conservative) (17)**
1865-1868: John MacDonald (Conservative) (18)
1868-1876: Horatio Seymour (Liberal) (19)
1876-1880: Edward Blake (Liberal - Populist coalition) (20)
1880-1891: John MacDonald (Conservative)  (21)
1891-1892: James Blaine (Conservative) (22)
1892-1900: Grover Cleveland (Liberal) (23)
1900-1901: William McKinley (Conservative) (24)*
1901-1910: Joseph Cannon (Conservative) (25)
1910-1914: Thomas Marshall (Liberal) (26)
1914-1921: Theodore Roosevelt Sr. (Progressive Conservative) (27)*
1921-1923: Andrew Bonar Law (Progressive Conservative) (28)*
1923-1930: Herbert Hoover (Progressive Conservative) (29)
1930-1933: Richard Bennett (Progressive Conservative) (30)
1933-1938: Upton Sinclair (End Poverty in the Commonwealth) (31)
1938-1944: Theodore Roosevelt Jr. (Progressive Conservative) (32)*
1944-1945: Herbert Hoover (Progressive Conservative) (33)
1945-1950: Harry S. Truman (Liberal - Democratic coalition) (34)
1950-1957: George Drew (Progressive Conservative) (35)*
1957-1962: Richard Nixon (Progressive Conservative) (36)
1962-1968: Lyndon Johnson (Liberal) (37)
1968-1976: Robert Stanfield (Progressive Conservative) (38)
1976-1980: Pierre Trudeau (Liberal - Democratic coalition) (39)
1980-1981: Flora MacDonald (Progressive Conservative - Social Credit coalition) (40)
1981-1985: Walter Mondale (Liberal) (41)
1985-1993: Brian Mulroney (Progressive Conservative) (42)
1993-1993: Lynn Martin (Progressive Conservative) (43)
1993-2000: Jean Chretien (Liberal) (44)
2000-2005: Stephen Harper (Conservative) (45)
2005-2008: John McCain (Conservative) (46)
2008-2010: Hillary Clinton (Liberal - Democratic coalition) (47)
2010-2015: Willard Romney (Conservative) (48)
2015-2020: Justin Trudeau (Liberal) (49)
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« Reply #952 on: June 09, 2020, 11:16:25 PM »

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
18. Ulysses S. Grant (Republican, Ohio) 1869–1877
19. Samuel Jones Tilden (Liberal, New York) 1877–1881
20. James Gillespie Blaine (Conservative, Maine) 1881–1885
21. Stephen Grover Cleveland (Liberal, New York) 1885–1893
22. William McKinley (Conservative, Ohio) 1893–1897
23. William Jennings Bryan (People's, Nebraska) 1897–1901 ‡
24. Daniel Lindsay Russell (People's, North Carolina) 1901–1908 †
25. Wharton Baker (People's, Pennsylvania) 1908–1909

26. Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive Conservative, New York) 1909–1921
27. William Gibbs McAdoo (Liberal, California) 1921–1929
28. Carter Glass (Liberal, Virginia) 1929–1933
29. Huey Pierce Long (Union, Louisiana) 1933–1935 ‡
30. Henry Agard Wallace (Union, Iowa) 1935–1941

31. Arthur Hendrick Vandenburg (Progressive Conservative, Michigan) 1941–1949
32. Thomas Edmund Dewey (Progressive Conservative, New York) 1949–1957

33. John Fitzgerald Kennedy (Liberal, Massachusetts) 1957–1962 ‡
34. Hubert Horatio Humphrey (Farmer-Labor, Minnesota) 1962–1962 *
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« Reply #953 on: June 10, 2020, 04:35:39 PM »

SENATOR MARY:

Congressman Peter King/Governor Bruce Rauner 2017-2021/b]]
def. VP Joe Biden/California AG Kamala Harris
Senator Mary Landrieu/Senator Loretta Sanchez 2021-2029
def. President Peter King/VP Bruce Rauner, Congresswoman Ivanka Trump/Governor
Meghan McCain

Vice President Loretta Sanchez/Governor Marie Newman 2029-2033
def. Minority Leader Tom Cotton/Mr. Donald Trump Jr.
Representative Meghan McCain/Representative Sarah Sanders 2033-2041
def. President Loretta Sanchez/Vice President Marie Newman, Mayor Ayanna Pressley/Governor Sarah Riggs Amico
Vice President Sarah Sanders/Governor Sarah Riggs Amico 2041-2045
def. Vice President Sarah Sanders/Jenna Hartling* Katie Hill/Sarah Riggs Amico
Speaker Elizabeth Wyman*/Governor Maya Dillard-Smith 2045-
Sarah Sanders/Anthony Gonzalez ]

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« Reply #954 on: June 12, 2020, 05:18:08 PM »

Ike as Grant

34. Dwight D. Eisenhower/Joseph Martin 1953-1957, William Knowland 1957-1959, vacant 1959-1961
35. Bill Stratton/Gerald R. Ford 1961-1965
36. John W. Byrnes/William Scranton 1965
37. William Scranton/vacant 1965-1969
38. Harold Hughes/Robert B. Meyner 1969, vacant 1969-1973
39. Robert Taft Jr./Richard Nixon 1973-1977
40. Harold Hughes/Mo Udall 1977-1981
41. Robert Finch/Rogers C.B. Morton 1981-1983, vacant 1983-1985, H. John Heinz III 1985
42. H. John Heinz III/vacant 1985-1989, Paul Laxalt 1989-1993
43. Jack Kemp/Donald Rumsfeld 1993-1996, vacant 1996-1997
44. Ann Richards/Mario Cuomo 1997-2005
45. Pete Domenici/John Engler 2005-2007
46. John Engler/vacant 2007-2009, Jon Huntsman 2009-2013
47. Chuck Hagel/Bill Frist 2013-2017
48. Elizabeth Warren/Rahm Emanuel 2017-2025, Stacey Abrams 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

1952: Adlai Stevenson/John Sparkman
1956: Estes Kefauver/W. Averell Harriman
1960: Gaylord Nelson/Robert B. Meyner
1964: Maxwell Taylor/John F. Kennedy
1968: Henry Cabot Lodge Jr./Robert P. Griffin
1972: Harold Hughes/Henry Jackson
1976: Robert Taft Jr./George H.W. Bush
1980: Jerry Brown/Robert Strauss
1984: Jerry Brown/Mo Udall
1988: Henry Cisneros/Warren Magnuson
1992: Jerry Brown/Paul Simon
1996: Jack Kemp/Pat Buchanan, H. John Heinz III/Pete Wilson
2000: George W. Bush/Paul Laxalt
2004: Bill Richardson/Elizabeth Warren
2008: Wesley Clark/Cecile Richards
2012: John Kerry/Harry Reid
2016: Chuck Hagel/Bill Frist
2020: Bill Haslam/Mitt Romney
2024: Mark Cuban/John Thune
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« Reply #955 on: June 15, 2020, 10:05:28 AM »
« Edited: June 15, 2020, 10:13:44 AM by blackentheborg »

Literal Hellworld

1960-1963: John F. Kennedy†/Lyndon Johnson†
defeated Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge, Harry F. Byrd/various (unpledged electors)
1963-1963: John McCormack†/[vacant]
1963-1965: Dean Rusk/[vacant]
1965-1969: George Wallace/Sam Yorty
defeated Barry Goldwater/Hugh Gregg
1969-1972: Spiro Agnew/James Buckley
defeated George Wallace/Sam Yorty
1972-1973: Richard J. Daley†/Thomas Eagleton
defeated Spiro Agnew/James Buckley
1973-1974: Thomas Eagleton†/[vacant]
1974-1977: Strom Thurmond/[vacant]
1977-1981: Larry MacDonald/Jimmy Hoffa†

defeated James Buckley/Alexander Haig
1981-1984: Ted Kaczynski*/Jesse Helms
defeated Larry MacDonald/John Tunney
1984-1985: Jesse Helms/[vacant]
1985-1986: Donald Trump*/Lyndon LaRouche

defeated Jesse Helms/Ron Paul, Mike Gravel/Gatewood Galbraith (Reform Party)
1986-1987: Lyndon LaRouche/[vacant]
1989-1997: Alan Keyes/Pat Robertson

defeated Lyndon LaRouche/James Traficant, Eric Boucher/Maria Elizabeth Muñoz (Reform Party-National Nonpartisan League-Citizens Association of State Green Parties-Peace and Freedom Party coupon)
defeated Wesley Clark/John Y. Brown
1997-2001: Charlie Wilson†/Joe Lieberman†
defeated Pat Robertson/Newt Gingrich
defeated Dan Quayle/Bob Dornan, Ralph Nader/Gloria La Rivera (Americans Against the War)
2001-2005: Dennis Hastert/[vacant]
2005-2013: Sarah Palin/Mike Huckabee

defeated Anthony Weiner/Rod Blagojevich
2013-2015: Jesse Jackson Jr.*/Joe Manchin
defeated Sarah Palin/Mike Huckabee
2015-2017: Joe Manchin/[vacant]
2017-present: Sarah Huckabee/Joe Arpio

defeated Joe Manchin/Tulsi Gabbard, Peta Lindsay/Eugene Puryear (Anti-Establishment)
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« Reply #956 on: June 15, 2020, 10:45:34 PM »

Never Ending Dynasty:

35. John F. Kennedy / Lyndon Johnson (Democratic): 1961-1969
Def. 1960: Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge (Republican
Def. 1964: Barry Goldwater / William Miller (Republican)

36. George Romney / John Davis Lodge (Republican): 1969-1977
Def. 1968: Lyndon Johnson / Eugene McCarthy (Democratic), George Wallace / Curtis LeMay (American Independent)
Def. 1972: Hubert Humphrey / Jimmy Carter (Democratic), George Wallace / Jesse Helms (American Independent)

37. Robert Kennedy / Henry "Scoop" Jackson (Democratic): 1977-1981
Def. 1976: Howard Baker / Mark Hatfield (Republican), Phil Crane / James Buckley (Conservative)
38. George Bush / Jack Kemp (Republican): 1981-1989
Def. 1980: Robert Kennedy / Henry "Scoop" Jackson (Democratic)
Def. 1984: Fritz Hollings / Alan Cranston (Democratic)

39. Bill Clinton / Lee Hamilton (Democratic): 1989-1993
Def. 1988: Jack Kemp / Lamar Alexander (Republican)
40. George W. Bush / John Danforth (Republican): 1993-2001
Def. 1992: Bill Clinton / Lee Hamilton (Democratic), Jesse Jackson / Jerry Brown (Independent)
Def. 1996: Joe Biden / Douglas Wilder (Democratic)

41. Ted Kennedy / Bob Graham (Democratic): 2001-2005
Def. 2000: John Danforth / Elizabeth Dole (Republican)
42. Jeb Bush / Chuck Hagel (Republican): 2005-2009
Def. 2004: Ted Kennedy / Bob Graham (Democratic)*
43. Hillary Rodham Clinton / Evan Bayh (Democratic): 2009-2017
Def. 2008: Jeb Bush / Chuck Hagel (Republican)
Def. 2012: Tim Pawlenty / John Cornyn (Republican)

44. Mitt Romney / Marco Rubio (Republican): 2017-2025
Def. 2016: Evan Bayh / Joaquin Castro (Democratic), Bernard Sanders / Tulsi Gabbard (Independent)
Def. 2020: Elizabeth Warren / Steve Bullock (Democratic), Michael Bloomberg / John Delaney (Independent)

45. John F. Kennedy Jr. / Stacy Abrams (Democratic): 2025-Incumbent
Def. 2024: Marco Rubio / Jon Huntsman (Republican)
Def. 2028: Tom Cotton / Ron DeSantis (Republican)


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« Reply #957 on: June 17, 2020, 01:48:28 PM »

Prime ministers of the Franco-British union

1940-1945: Sir Winston Churchill (Conservative)
1945-1951: Clement Atlee (Labour)
1951-1955: Sir Winston Churchill (Conservative)
1955-1957: Anthony Eden (Conservative)
1958-1969: Charles de Gaulle (Conservative)
1969-1974: Edward Heath (Conservative)

1974-1979: François Mitterrand (Labour)
1979-1990: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)
1990-1997: Jacques Chirac (Conservative)

1997-2005: Tony Blair (Labour)
2005-2015: Nicholas Sarkozy (Conservative)
2015-2017: David Cameron (Conservative)
2017-2019: Theresa May (Conservative)
2019-2019: Marine Le Pen (Conservative)

2019-present: Emmanuel Macron (Liberal Democrats)

Leaders of the opposition of the Franco-British union

1940-1945: Vacant
1945-1951: Sir Winston Churchill (Conservative)
1951-1959: Maurice Thorez (Labour)
1959-1966: Hugh Gaitskell (Labour)
1966-1970: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1970-1974: François Mitterrand (Labour)
1974-1979: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)
1979-1983: François Mitterrand (Labour)
1983-1992: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
1992-1997: Tony Blair (Labour)
1997-2001: Jacques Chirac (Conservative)
2001-2005: Nicholas Sarkozy (Conservative)
2005-2010: Gordon Brown (Labour)
2010-2017: François Hollande (Labour)
2017-2019: Emmanuel Macron (Liberal Democrats)
2019-present: Nicola Sturgeon (SNP)

Decided to keep the UK election dates since I think such a union would be more influenced by the UK than by France plus the 4th French Republic is crazy even if it was short.

For the end I decided to go a bit creative. In the 2017 election, this backlash and the very bad leadership of François Hollande (who already got a bad result in 2015 but managed to narrowly cling on) and Labour infighting is enough to make the Liberal Democrats come in second thanks to charismatic Emmanouel Macron.

In 2019, this backlash becomes even larger and Macron becomes Prime Minister; helped by Franco-Brexit hardliner Marine Le Pen becoming the Conservative leader. With a moderate anti-Brexiteer against 2 pro-Brexit extremists (Corbyn is Labour leader in this timeline); Macron gets north of 500 seats, with the SNP becoming the official opposition narrowly (a la Canada 1993).

Guess not exactly realistic but whatever, it is kinda hard to combine the 2 with how crazy French and British politics became Tongue
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« Reply #958 on: June 20, 2020, 07:01:08 PM »

Thought experiment based on "The Great Experiment" Mock Parliament game, taking the storyline to 1854 (where a potential sequel might be played):

List of Presidents of the Republic:

1789-1796: John Hancock (Independent)
1796-1803: John Adams (Federalist)
1803-1817: Thomas Jefferson (Republican)
1817-1824: James Madison (Republican)
1824-1838: Andrew Jackson (Republican, then Patriot)
1838-1845: William H. Harrison (National)
1845-1852: James K. Polk (Patriot)
1852-Present: Zachary Taylor (National)

List of First Secretaries of America:

1789-1792: James Madison (Democratic Republican Coalition Majority)
Wins 1789 Election
1792-1795: Samuel Adams (Whig Coalition Minority)
Indecisive 1795 Election
1795-1796: Samuel Adams (Whig-Republican Minority)
Loses 1796 Election
1796-1798: Alexander Hamilton (Federalist Coalition Majority)
Wins 1798 Election
1798-1801: Alexander Hamilton† (Federalist Majority)
1801-1804: James Marshall (Federalist Majority)
Loses 1804 Election
1804-1805: Aaron Burr (Republican Minority)
Wins 1805 Election
1805-1810: Aaron Burr (Republican Majority)
Wins 1808 Election
1810-1815: George Clinton (Republican Majority)
Wins 1814 Election
1815-1823: James Monroe (Republican Majority)
Wins 1816 Election
Wins 1821 Election
1823-1826: John Quincy Adams (Republican Majority)
Indecisive 1826 Election
1826-1828: John Quincy Adams (National Minority)
Loes 1828 Election
1828-1832: John C. Calhoun (Patriot Majority)
1832-1834: Martin Van Buren (Patriot Minority)
Loses 1834 Election
1834-1837: Henry Clay (National Majority)
Loses 1837 Election
1837-1843: Martin Van Buren (Patriot Majority)
Indecisive 1843 Election
1843-1846: Daniel Webster (National Minority)
Loses 1846 Election
1846-1850: Lewis Cass (Patriot Majority)
1850-1850: Henry Clay (National Patriot Coalition Majority)
1851-1852: Franklin Pierce (Patriot Minority)
Wins 1852 Election
1852-Present: Franklin Pierce (Patriot Majority)
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« Reply #959 on: June 24, 2020, 04:23:15 PM »

22nd Amendment Ratified in '53:
Dwight Eisenhower (R-TX)/Richard Nixon (R-CA)*, Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA) 1953-1965
John F Kennedy (D-MA)/Stuart Symington (D-MO) 1965-1973
Edmund Muskie (D-ME)/Vance Hartke (D-IN) 1973-1977
Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/Edward Brooke (R-MA) 1977-1985
Edward Brooke (R-MA)/Bob Dole (R-KS) 1985-1993
Robert Kennedy (D-NY)/Bill Clinton (D-AR) 1992-2001
Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Paul Wellstone (D-MN) 2001-2005
William Weld (R-MA)/Charles Hagel (R-NE) 2005-2013
Christine Gregoire (D-WA)/Russ Feingold (D-WI) 2013-2021

Losing Tickets:
1960: Lyndon Johnson (D-TX)/John F Kennedy (D-MA)
1964: Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/Hiram Fong (R-HI)
1968: Everett Dirksen (R-IL)/John Volpe (R-MA)
1972: Margret Chase Smith (R-ME)/John Connally (R-TX)
1976: Edmund Muskie (D-ME)/Vance Hartke (D-IN)
1980: Vance Hartke (D-IN)/John Glenn (D-OH)
1984: Michael Dukakis (D-MA)/Al Gore (D-TN)
1988: Gary Hart (D-CO)/Paul Simon (D-IL)
1992: Bob Dole (R-KS)/James Baker (R-TX)
1996: Steve Forbes (R-NY)/John Ashcroft (R-MO)
2000: John McCain (R-AZ)/Jim Gilmore (R-VA)
2004: Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Paul Wellstone (D-MN)
2008: Paul Wellstone (D-MN)/John Edwards (D-NC)
2012: Charles Hagel (R-NE)/Michael Huckabee (R-AR)
2016: Ted Cruz (R-TX)/Carly Fiorina (R-CA)

*Informed of Eisenhower's intent to run in 1960, Nixon left to run for CA Governor against Pat Brown. He lost, and effectively ended his political career. Cabot Lodge was selected to replace him because of his credentials, but did not want to run for president in 1964.
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« Reply #960 on: June 25, 2020, 01:09:54 AM »

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
8. Martin Van Buren (Democratic, New York) 1837–1841
9. William Henry Harrison (Whig, Ohio) 1841–1841 †
10. John Tyler (Whig→Unaffiliated, Virginia) 1841–1845
11. Henry Clay (Whig, Kentucky) 1845–1849
12. Franklin Pierce (Democratic, New Hampshire) 1849–1850 †
13. David Rice Atchison (Democratic, Missouri) 1850–1853
14. Daniel Webster (Union, Massachusetts) 1853–1857
15. John Charles Frémont (Republican, California) 1857–1857 ‡
16. Hannibal Hamlin (Republican, Maine) 1857–1865
17. Ulysses S. Grant (Republican, Ohio) 1865–1873
18. Charles Francis Adams (Republican, Massachusetts) 1873–1877
19. Rutherford Birchard Hayes (Conservative, Ohio) 1877–1881
20. Theodore Roosevelt, Sr. (Conservative, New York) 1881–1889
21. John Milton Hay (Conservative, Illinois) 1889–1897
22. Robert Todd Lincoln (Conservative, New York) 1897–1905
23. Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. (Conservative, New York) 1905–1913
24. Eugene Victor Debs (Socialist, Indiana) 1913–1921
25. Robert Marion La Follette (Socialist, Wisconsin) 1921–1925 †
26. Allan Louis Benson (Socialist, New York) 1925–1929
27. Edward L. Jackson (Conservative, Indiana) 1929–1934 *
28. Charles Gates Dawes (Conservative, Nebraska) 1934–1937
29. Theodore Roosevelt III (Conservative, New York) 1937–1949
30. Norman Mattoon Thomas (Socialist, New York) 1949–1957
31. Richard Milhous Nixon (Conservative, California) 1957–1961
32. Darlington Hoopes (Socialist, Pennsylvania) 1961–1969
33. George Wilcken Romney (Conservative, Michigan) 1969–1977
34. Gerald Rudolph Ford (Conservative, Michigan) 1977–1981
35. George Sidney McGovern (Socialist, South Dakota) 1981–1989
36. Paul Dominique Laxalt (Conservative, Nevada) 1989–1997
37. Richard Green Lugar (Conservative, Indiana) 1997–2005
38. Dennis John Kuchinich (Socialist, Ohio) 2005–2009
39. Willard Mitt Romney (Conservative, Michigan) 2009–2013
40. Bernard Sanders (Socialist, Vermont) 2013–2021
41. Thomas Bryan Cotton (Conservative, Arkansas) 2021–2025
42. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Socialist, New York) 2025–present
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« Reply #961 on: June 27, 2020, 08:19:41 PM »


Presidents of the (Western) Enclave  (HOI4 Old World Blues mod, Enclave Reborn submod) [True Reformer Path]

Enclave

?. *First Name Unknown* Richardson (Party Unknown, Likely Independent) [Before 2220]
?. Richard Richardson {IDK if I can say his nickname here} (Party Unknown, Likely Independent) [2220-2242]
None (Disorganized Leadership) [2242-22??]
?. Arch Dornan (Independent) [22??-2275]*
?. Douglas Granite (Reformer Faction, then Reconstruction Party, then New World Party) [2275-]**

*De Facto leader of the largest group of Enclave Remnants before the 2275 Presidential Election, where he supported underdog Granite, singlehandedly winning him the election. 
**1st President of the Reunited States

VICE PRESIDENTS of the REUNITED STATES
1. Grant C. Hayes (New World Party) [2282-]
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« Reply #962 on: June 27, 2020, 10:15:38 PM »

22nd Amendment Ratified in '53:
Dwight Eisenhower (R-TX)/Richard Nixon (R-CA)*, Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA) 1953-1965
John F Kennedy (D-MA)/Stuart Symington (D-MO) 1965-1973
Edmund Muskie (D-ME)/Vance Hartke (D-IN) 1973-1977
Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/Edward Brooke (R-MA) 1977-1985
Edward Brooke (R-MA)/Bob Dole (R-KS) 1985-1993
Robert Kennedy (D-NY)/Bill Clinton (D-AR) 1992-2001
Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Paul Wellstone (D-MN) 2001-2005
William Weld (R-MA)/Charles Hagel (R-NE) 2005-2013
Christine Gregoire (D-WA)/Russ Feingold (D-WI) 2013-2021

Losing Tickets:
1960: Lyndon Johnson (D-TX)/John F Kennedy (D-MA)
1964: Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/Hiram Fong (R-HI)
1968: Everett Dirksen (R-IL)/John Volpe (R-MA)
1972: Margret Chase Smith (R-ME)/John Connally (R-TX)
1976: Edmund Muskie (D-ME)/Vance Hartke (D-IN)
1980: Vance Hartke (D-IN)/John Glenn (D-OH)
1984: Michael Dukakis (D-MA)/Al Gore (D-TN)
1988: Gary Hart (D-CO)/Paul Simon (D-IL)
1992: Bob Dole (R-KS)/James Baker (R-TX)
1996: Steve Forbes (R-NY)/John Ashcroft (R-MO)
2000: John McCain (R-AZ)/Jim Gilmore (R-VA)
2004: Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Paul Wellstone (D-MN)
2008: Paul Wellstone (D-MN)/John Edwards (D-NC)
2012: Charles Hagel (R-NE)/Michael Huckabee (R-AR)
2016: Ted Cruz (R-TX)/Carly Fiorina (R-CA)

*Informed of Eisenhower's intent to run in 1960, Nixon left to run for CA Governor against Pat Brown. He lost, and effectively ended his political career. Cabot Lodge was selected to replace him because of his credentials, but did not want to run for president in 1964.

This is actually quite interesting. Eisenhower would likely win a third term in 1960 and would retire in 1964. I'm not sure who would be President after e but I bet that the would be a very conservative Democratic president sometime after Eisenhower, not sure who exactly. This is very interesting though as this TL in many ways could be very different from our own. Who knows what would happen with civil rights. Would Eisenhower draft it and maybe would he be assassinated similar to Kennedy. Or would this never happen until later in the 1960s, or even in the 1970s. 
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« Reply #963 on: June 28, 2020, 04:27:09 PM »

No 22nd Amendment

34. Dwight D. Eisenhower 1953-1961
35. John F. Kennedy 1961-1969*
36. Stuart Symington 1969-1973
37. Spiro T. Agnew 1973-1981
38. Frank Church 1981-1982**
39. Edward M. Kennedy 1982-1993
40. Pete Wilson 1993-2001
41. Bob Bradley 2001-2009
42. Mitt Romney 2009-2021

*Died in office months into his third term
**Assassinated

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« Reply #964 on: July 01, 2020, 06:31:02 PM »

22nd Amendment Ratified in '53:
Dwight Eisenhower (R-TX)/Richard Nixon (R-CA)*, Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA) 1953-1965
John F Kennedy (D-MA)/Stuart Symington (D-MO) 1965-1973
Edmund Muskie (D-ME)/Vance Hartke (D-IN) 1973-1977
Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/Edward Brooke (R-MA) 1977-1985
Edward Brooke (R-MA)/Bob Dole (R-KS) 1985-1993
Robert Kennedy (D-NY)/Bill Clinton (D-AR) 1992-2001
Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Paul Wellstone (D-MN) 2001-2005
William Weld (R-MA)/Charles Hagel (R-NE) 2005-2013
Christine Gregoire (D-WA)/Russ Feingold (D-WI) 2013-2021

Losing Tickets:
1960: Lyndon Johnson (D-TX)/John F Kennedy (D-MA)
1964: Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/Hiram Fong (R-HI)
1968: Everett Dirksen (R-IL)/John Volpe (R-MA)
1972: Margret Chase Smith (R-ME)/John Connally (R-TX)
1976: Edmund Muskie (D-ME)/Vance Hartke (D-IN)
1980: Vance Hartke (D-IN)/John Glenn (D-OH)
1984: Michael Dukakis (D-MA)/Al Gore (D-TN)
1988: Gary Hart (D-CO)/Paul Simon (D-IL)
1992: Bob Dole (R-KS)/James Baker (R-TX)
1996: Steve Forbes (R-NY)/John Ashcroft (R-MO)
2000: John McCain (R-AZ)/Jim Gilmore (R-VA)
2004: Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Paul Wellstone (D-MN)
2008: Paul Wellstone (D-MN)/John Edwards (D-NC)
2012: Charles Hagel (R-NE)/Michael Huckabee (R-AR)
2016: Ted Cruz (R-TX)/Carly Fiorina (R-CA)

*Informed of Eisenhower's intent to run in 1960, Nixon left to run for CA Governor against Pat Brown. He lost, and effectively ended his political career. Cabot Lodge was selected to replace him because of his credentials, but did not want to run for president in 1964.


1972 election has both presidential nominees from Maine. I like that!
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« Reply #965 on: July 02, 2020, 06:05:39 PM »

In this time line party control of the presidency is correlated with party control in the UK - that is, it changes only after it has changed in the UK (or if it's obvious it will change very soon, as for 1996). I did kind of an exception for 2008 because you know the Great Recession.

Dwight Eisenhower / Richard Nixon (R) 1953 - 1961
Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R) 1961 - 1965
Lyndon Johnson / Al Gore Sr. (D) 1965 - 1973
Nelson Rockefeller / J. Caleb Boggs (R) 1973 - 1974*
Nelson Rockefeller / Gerald Ford (R) 1974 - 1977
Robert F. Kennedy / Frank Church (D) 1977 - 1981
Ronald Reagan / Howard Baker (R) 1981 - 1989
Howard Baker / Nancy Kassebaum (R) 1989 - 1997**
Mel Carnahan / Joe Biden (D) 1997 - 2000***
Joe Biden / Paul Sarbanes (D) 2001 - 2009
Colin Powell / John Sununu (R) 2009 - 2017
Chuck Hagel / Marco Rubio (R) 2017-

Losing tickets:
1952: Adlai Stevenson / William Fulbright (D)
1956: Adlai Stevenson / Estes Kefauver (D)
1960: John F. Kennedy / Stuart Symington (D)
1964: Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R)
1968: Everett Dirksen / Robert Taft Jr. (R)
1972: Al Gore Sr. / Ralph Yarborough (D)
1976: Nelson Rockefeller / Gerald Ford (R)
1980: Robert F. Kennedy / Frank Church (D)
1984: Frank Church / Henry Cisneros (D)
1988: Michael Dukakis / Lloyd Bentsen (D)
1992: Tom Harkin / Dick Gephardt (D)
1996: Jack Kemp / Newt Gingrich (R)
2000: John McCain / Tom Ridge (R)
2004: Rick Perry / Larry Craig (R)
2008: Evan Bayh / Ed Rendell (D)
2012: Dave Freudenthal / Adam Schiff (D)
2016: Tammy Baldwin / Andrew Cuomo (D)

*J. Caleb Boggs is forced to resign because of some Spiro Agnew-esque scandal.
**As in RL, the First Lady dies in 1993 and the President then falls in love with the VP!!! Voters find that scandalous à la Lewinsky.
***As in RL, Mel Carnahan dies just before the election - for which he was an underdog - and there is a massive rally-round-the-flag effect that hands Biden the election.
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« Reply #966 on: July 05, 2020, 12:36:13 AM »

Nixon wins in 1960
35. Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr (Republican) 1961-1969
Def 1960: John F Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson (Democratic)
Def 1964: George Wallace/Strom Thurmond (Democratic)
36. Robert F Kennedy/Channing E. Phillips (Democratic) 1969-1977
Def 1968: Henry Cabot Lodge Jr/John Tower (Republican)
Def 1972: Ronald Reagan/Gerald Ford (Republican)
37. Henry “Scoop” Jackson/James Earl Carter Jr (Democrat) 1977-1981
Def 1976: Gerald R. Ford/Bob Dole (Republican)
38. Bob Dole/George H.W Bush (Republican) 1981-1989
Def 1980: Scoop Jackson/Jimmy Carter (Democratic)
Def 1984: Gary Hart/John Glenn (Democratic)
39. Al Gore/Patrica Schroeder (Democratic) 1989-1997
Def 1988: George H.W Bush/Lamar Alexander (Republican)
Def 1992: Pat Buchanan/Newt Gingrich (Republican)
40. Patricia Schroeder/John Kerry (Democratic) 1997-2001
Def 1996: Jack Kemp/George W Bush (Republican)
41. George W. Bush/Dick Cheney (Republican) 2001-2005
Def 2000: Patricia Schroeder/John Kerry (Democratic)
42. Donald J. Trump/Howard Dean(Democratic) 2005-2013
Def 2004: George W. Bush/Dick Cheney (Republican)
Def 2008: Rudy Giuliani/John Boehner (Republican)
43. Clarence Thomas/Meg Whitman (Republican) 2013-2021
Def 2012: Howard Dean/Kathleen Sebelius (Democratic)
Def 2016: Bernie Sanders/Jeff Merkley (Democratic)
44. Meg Whitman/Paul Ryan (Republican) 2021-
Def 2020: Elizabeth Warren/Joaquin Castro (Democratic)
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« Reply #967 on: July 05, 2020, 01:13:38 AM »

1961-1963: John F. Kennedy/Lyndon B. Johnson
1963-1965: Lyndon B. Johnson/Vacant
1965-1972: Lyndon B. Johnson/Henry M. Jackson
1972: Henry M. Jackson/Vacant
1972-1977: Henry M. Jackson/Robert F. Kennedy
1977-1981: Ronald Reagan/Roger MacBride
1981-1989: Robert F. Kennedy/Gary Hart
1989-1997: Thomas Kean/Bob Dole
1997-2005: Ann Richards/John Kerry
2005-2013: Mike Huckabee/John Kasich
2013-2017: John Kasich/Christine O'Donnell
2017-present: Michael Pence/Cory Booker

POD: LBJ picks Scoop Jackson as his VP instead of HHH. This butterflies into LBJ running and winning in 1968.

Jackson runs for President in 1972, but LBJ dies of a heart attack in October 1972 - the "October Surprise". Jackson becomes President a month before the election, and is elected to a term in his own right one month later. If somewhat redundantly, Vice President-elect Robert Kennedy is confirmed to the Vice Presidency a week later, rather than in January. The duo is inaugurated "again" in January. (Note that since Jackson is serving less than two years of LBJ's final term, he can run for two terms in his own right)

The rise of drug use and escalating Vietnam War makes Jackson and the Democrats unpopular. Ronald Reagan and Roger MacBride are elected - despite less than two years of experience between the two (Reagan had only served as a congressman from California for a single term, and MacBride had never been elected to office) they are elected in a landslide against the incumbent.

Their lack of experience shows and Reagan goes down as a rather ineffectual President. Former Vice President Robert Kennedy and Senator Gary Hart are easily elected in 1980.

After a series of popular "Great New Deal" programs and defeating the USSR by 1983, Kenendy-Hart make history by winning all 538 electoral votes and 65% of the popular vote in 1984. Even Republican nominee John Connally's home state of Texas voted for the Democrats by less than 1,000 votes.

Republicans make a comeback in 1988 with a ticket of Thomas Kean and Bob Dole. The "boring" Governor managed to eek out a narrow 270 electoral vote victory over Vice President Gary Hart after Hart was discovered to be having an affair - on a boat called "Monkey Business" no less.

Kean and Dole are easily re-elected over Senator Jimmy Carter - the Democrats' attempt to nominate a virtuous man as a contrast to the sleazy Hart proved fruitless, and Kean won over 300 electoral votes in 1992.

Ann Richards made history in 1996 when she was the first woman elected President. She is re-elected in a moderate victory in 2000 (also the first election in which Washington DC voted as a state, after being granted statehood in 1997), but her second term proves to less popular than her first. Vice President John Kerry loses to Arkansas Senator Mike Huckabee in the "Republican Revolution" of 2004, which saw a resurgence of the religious right after a slight decline in the early 2000s.

Huckabee proves to be a controversial President, and is only narrowly re-elected in 2008 - though many speculate this is in part due to massive voter suppression by the right. Attorney General Mitch McConnell, of course, found no wrongdoing.

Mild-mannered Vice President John Kasich proves to be less offensive to moderates and is elected quite easily over progressive firebrand and New York City Mayor Bill De Blasio.

Kasich's presidency would not be an easy road. A mild recession followed by a fumbled-response to the Pakistani-Indian border crisis made Senator Michael Pence, a Democrat from Indiana, the favorite to win. Pence picked DC Governor Cory Booker as his running mate, who made history as the first African-American Vice President.
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« Reply #968 on: July 05, 2020, 09:34:45 AM »

1961-1963: John F. Kennedy/Lyndon B. Johnson
1963-1965: Lyndon B. Johnson/Vacant
1965-1972: Lyndon B. Johnson/Henry M. Jackson
1972: Henry M. Jackson/Vacant
1972-1977: Henry M. Jackson/Robert F. Kennedy
1977-1981: Ronald Reagan/Roger MacBride
1981-1989: Robert F. Kennedy/Gary Hart
1989-1997: Thomas Kean/Bob Dole
1997-2005: Ann Richards/John Kerry
2005-2013: Mike Huckabee/John Kasich
2013-2017: John Kasich/Christine O'Donnell
2017-present: Michael Pence/Cory Booker

POD: LBJ picks Scoop Jackson as his VP instead of HHH. This butterflies into LBJ running and winning in 1968.

Jackson runs for President in 1972, but LBJ dies of a heart attack in October 1972 - the "October Surprise". Jackson becomes President a month before the election, and is elected to a term in his own right one month later. If somewhat redundantly, Vice President-elect Robert Kennedy is confirmed to the Vice Presidency a week later, rather than in January. The duo is inaugurated "again" in January. (Note that since Jackson is serving less than two years of LBJ's final term, he can run for two terms in his own right)

The rise of drug use and escalating Vietnam War makes Jackson and the Democrats unpopular. Ronald Reagan and Roger MacBride are elected - despite less than two years of experience between the two (Reagan had only served as a congressman from California for a single term, and MacBride had never been elected to office) they are elected in a landslide against the incumbent.

Their lack of experience shows and Reagan goes down as a rather ineffectual President. Former Vice President Robert Kennedy and Senator Gary Hart are easily elected in 1980.

After a series of popular "Great New Deal" programs and defeating the USSR by 1983, Kenendy-Hart make history by winning all 538 electoral votes and 65% of the popular vote in 1984. Even Republican nominee John Connally's home state of Texas voted for the Democrats by less than 1,000 votes.

Republicans make a comeback in 1988 with a ticket of Thomas Kean and Bob Dole. The "boring" Governor managed to eek out a narrow 270 electoral vote victory over Vice President Gary Hart after Hart was discovered to be having an affair - on a boat called "Monkey Business" no less.

Kean and Dole are easily re-elected over Senator Jimmy Carter - the Democrats' attempt to nominate a virtuous man as a contrast to the sleazy Hart proved fruitless, and Kean won over 300 electoral votes in 1992.

Ann Richards made history in 1996 when she was the first woman elected President. She is re-elected in a moderate victory in 2000 (also the first election in which Washington DC voted as a state, after being granted statehood in 1997), but her second term proves to less popular than her first. Vice President John Kerry loses to Arkansas Senator Mike Huckabee in the "Republican Revolution" of 2004, which saw a resurgence of the religious right after a slight decline in the early 2000s.

Huckabee proves to be a controversial President, and is only narrowly re-elected in 2008 - though many speculate this is in part due to massive voter suppression by the right. Attorney General Mitch McConnell, of course, found no wrongdoing.

Mild-mannered Vice President John Kasich proves to be less offensive to moderates and is elected quite easily over progressive firebrand and New York City Mayor Bill De Blasio.

Kasich's presidency would not be an easy road. A mild recession followed by a fumbled-response to the Pakistani-Indian border crisis made Senator Michael Pence, a Democrat from Indiana, the favorite to win. Pence picked DC Governor Cory Booker as his running mate, who made history as the first African-American Vice President.

Is Michael Pence the same person who in real life is the Republican Vice President, or just a homonym?

(P.S. Do you have a particular disaffection for Mike Huckabee?)
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« Reply #969 on: July 05, 2020, 12:02:47 PM »

1961-1963: John F. Kennedy/Lyndon B. Johnson
1963-1965: Lyndon B. Johnson/Vacant
1965-1972: Lyndon B. Johnson/Henry M. Jackson
1972: Henry M. Jackson/Vacant
1972-1977: Henry M. Jackson/Robert F. Kennedy
1977-1981: Ronald Reagan/Roger MacBride
1981-1989: Robert F. Kennedy/Gary Hart
1989-1997: Thomas Kean/Bob Dole
1997-2005: Ann Richards/John Kerry
2005-2013: Mike Huckabee/John Kasich
2013-2017: John Kasich/Christine O'Donnell
2017-present: Michael Pence/Cory Booker

POD: LBJ picks Scoop Jackson as his VP instead of HHH. This butterflies into LBJ running and winning in 1968.

Jackson runs for President in 1972, but LBJ dies of a heart attack in October 1972 - the "October Surprise". Jackson becomes President a month before the election, and is elected to a term in his own right one month later. If somewhat redundantly, Vice President-elect Robert Kennedy is confirmed to the Vice Presidency a week later, rather than in January. The duo is inaugurated "again" in January. (Note that since Jackson is serving less than two years of LBJ's final term, he can run for two terms in his own right)

The rise of drug use and escalating Vietnam War makes Jackson and the Democrats unpopular. Ronald Reagan and Roger MacBride are elected - despite less than two years of experience between the two (Reagan had only served as a congressman from California for a single term, and MacBride had never been elected to office) they are elected in a landslide against the incumbent.

Their lack of experience shows and Reagan goes down as a rather ineffectual President. Former Vice President Robert Kennedy and Senator Gary Hart are easily elected in 1980.

After a series of popular "Great New Deal" programs and defeating the USSR by 1983, Kenendy-Hart make history by winning all 538 electoral votes and 65% of the popular vote in 1984. Even Republican nominee John Connally's home state of Texas voted for the Democrats by less than 1,000 votes.

Republicans make a comeback in 1988 with a ticket of Thomas Kean and Bob Dole. The "boring" Governor managed to eek out a narrow 270 electoral vote victory over Vice President Gary Hart after Hart was discovered to be having an affair - on a boat called "Monkey Business" no less.

Kean and Dole are easily re-elected over Senator Jimmy Carter - the Democrats' attempt to nominate a virtuous man as a contrast to the sleazy Hart proved fruitless, and Kean won over 300 electoral votes in 1992.

Ann Richards made history in 1996 when she was the first woman elected President. She is re-elected in a moderate victory in 2000 (also the first election in which Washington DC voted as a state, after being granted statehood in 1997), but her second term proves to less popular than her first. Vice President John Kerry loses to Arkansas Senator Mike Huckabee in the "Republican Revolution" of 2004, which saw a resurgence of the religious right after a slight decline in the early 2000s.

Huckabee proves to be a controversial President, and is only narrowly re-elected in 2008 - though many speculate this is in part due to massive voter suppression by the right. Attorney General Mitch McConnell, of course, found no wrongdoing.

Mild-mannered Vice President John Kasich proves to be less offensive to moderates and is elected quite easily over progressive firebrand and New York City Mayor Bill De Blasio.

Kasich's presidency would not be an easy road. A mild recession followed by a fumbled-response to the Pakistani-Indian border crisis made Senator Michael Pence, a Democrat from Indiana, the favorite to win. Pence picked DC Governor Cory Booker as his running mate, who made history as the first African-American Vice President.

Is Michael Pence the same person who in real life is the Republican Vice President, or just a homonym?

(P.S. Do you have a particular disaffection for Mike Huckabee?)

Yes, Michael Pence was supposed to be the real life VP. He was raised in a Democratic family, and I just thought it would be a funny affect of a 1960s POD.

It's not Huckabee in particular as much as I dislike the religious right.
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« Reply #970 on: July 05, 2020, 12:59:14 PM »


Is Michael Pence the same person who in real life is the Republican Vice President, or just a homonym?

(P.S. Do you have a particular disaffection for Mike Huckabee?)

Yes, Michael Pence was supposed to be the real life VP. He was raised in a Democratic family, and I just thought it would be a funny affect of a 1960s POD.

It's not Huckabee in particular as much as I dislike the religious right.

I see.
I have a particular affection for Huckabee instead, because I love the idea of a tax-and-spend Republican and he comes off to me as much less annoying on the "religious right" stuff than, say, Rick Santorum (someone who has been compared a lot to Huckabee)§
So you got me triggered a bit, I would have preferred to see Reagan (or even Kean) aided by voter suppression and what not.


§ Which is a comparison I hate, I think Santorum has been a fake populist with neocon tendencies (reminds me someone *cough* Tom Cotton *cough*), who has done everything he could to alienate his fellow Catholics and who by the way was pro-choice until he ran for Congress, which sounds very suspect.
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« Reply #971 on: July 05, 2020, 04:19:28 PM »


Is Michael Pence the same person who in real life is the Republican Vice President, or just a homonym?

(P.S. Do you have a particular disaffection for Mike Huckabee?)

Yes, Michael Pence was supposed to be the real life VP. He was raised in a Democratic family, and I just thought it would be a funny affect of a 1960s POD.

It's not Huckabee in particular as much as I dislike the religious right.

I see.
I have a particular affection for Huckabee instead, because I love the idea of a tax-and-spend Republican and he comes off to me as much less annoying on the "religious right" stuff than, say, Rick Santorum (someone who has been compared a lot to Huckabee)§
So you got me triggered a bit, I would have preferred to see Reagan (or even Kean) aided by voter suppression and what not.


§ Which is a comparison I hate, I think Santorum has been a fake populist with neocon tendencies (reminds me someone *cough* Tom Cotton *cough*), who has done everything he could to alienate his fellow Catholics and who by the way was pro-choice until he ran for Congress, which sounds very suspect.

Fair enough, I'd have been just as happy to pick Santorum. Huck was just the first one to come to mind.
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« Reply #972 on: July 05, 2020, 09:04:39 PM »
« Edited: July 05, 2020, 10:04:21 PM by LabourJersey »

Presidents in the style of UK Prime Ministers:

33. William O. Douglas (D-WA) Apr. 12 1945 - Jan. 20 1953
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-PA) Jan. 20 1953 - Jul. 31 1955*
35. Thomas Dewey (R-NY) Jul. 31 1955- Jan. 20 1957
36. William Knowland (R-CA) Jan. 20 1957 - Nov. 9 1962**
37. Henry Cabot Lodge (R-MA) Nov. 15 1962 - Jan. 20 1965
38. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) Jan. 20 1965 - Jan. 20 1969
39. George Romney (R-MI) Jan. 20 1969 - Jan. 20 1973
40. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) Jan. 20 1973 - Aug. 1 1973*
41. Edmund Muskie (D-ME) Aug. 1 1973 - Jan. 20 1981
42. George H.W. Bush (R-TX) Jan. 20 1981 - Jan. 20 1989
43. Robert Dole (R-KS) Jan. 20 1989 - Jan. 20 1997
44. William J. Clinton (D-AR) Jan. 20 1997 - Jan. 20 2005
45. Albert Gore (D-TN) Jan. 20 2005 - Jan. 20 2009
46. Jeb Bush (R-FL) Jan. 20 2009 - Nov. 10 2014**
47. Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) Nov. 10 2014 - Jan. 20 2017
48. Chris Christie (R-NJ) Jan. 20 2017 - present

*Resigns due to health reasons
** Resigns due to huge losses for their parties in midterms or something
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« Reply #973 on: July 18, 2020, 09:12:15 AM »

Clinton as Carter

42: Bill Clinton/Al Gore 1993-1997
43: Newt Gingrich/Thomas Kean 1997-2005
44: Thomas Kean/George W. Bush 2005-2009
45: Mark Dayton/Tom Vilsack 2009-2017
46: Thomas Kean Jr./Paul Ryan 2017-2025
47: Beto O'Rourke/Russ Feingold 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

1996: Bill Clinton/Al Gore
2000: Al Gore/Jeanne Shaheen
2004: Gray Davis/Bob Kerrey
2008: Thomas Kean/George W. Bush
2012: Bill Frist/Duncan Hunter
2016: Tom Vilsack/Eliot Engel
2020: Barack Obama/Kamala Harris
2024: Jon Huntsman/Kelly Loeffler
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« Reply #974 on: July 24, 2020, 12:26:44 PM »

Same Presidents, Different Order

1961-1969: Lyndon B. Johnson/Hubert Humphrey
  • def. 1960: Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr.
  • def. 1964: Barry Goldwater/William E. Miller
1969-1973: Ronald Reagan/George Romney
  • def. 1968: Hubert Humphrey/Birch Bayh
1973-1981: Jimmy Carter/John F. Kennedy
  • def. 1972: Ronald Reagan/George Romney
  • def. 1976: Roger MacBride/Bob Dole
1981-1989: Richard Nixon/Donald Rumsfeld
  • def. 1980: John F. Kennedy/Cliff Finch
  • def. 1984: John Glenn/Dianne Feinstein
1989-1993: John F. Kennedy/Dick Gephardt
  • def. 1988: Donald Rumsfeld/Dick Cheney
1993-1997: George H. W. Bush/Thomas Kean Sr.
  • def. 1992: John F. Kennedy/Dick Gephardt
1997-2001: Donald Trump/Jerry Brown
  • def. 1996: George H. W. Bush/Thomas Kean Sr.
2001-2009: Joe Biden/Mary Landrieu*
  • def. 2000: John McCain/Tom Ridge; Donald Trump/Alan Keyes
  • def. 2004: James C. Smith/Jack Rains
2009-2013: George W. Bush/Brett Kavanaugh
  • def. 2008: Mary Landrieu/Steve Westly
2013-2021: Bill Clinton/Barack Obama
  • def. 2012: George W. Bush/Ruth Johnson**
  • def. 2016: Anne Northup/Thomas Kean Jr.
2021-present: Barack Obama/Caroline Kennedy
  • def. 2020: Mike Erickson/Christine Jones

Notes:
*: Senator Joe Biden launched a successful primary campaign against incumbent Democratic President Donald Trump, who responded with an independent bid.
**: Vice President Brett Kavanaugh was dropped from the 2012 Republican ticket after sexual assault allegations were uncovered. He was replaced with Michigan Governor Ruth Johnson.
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