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bagelman
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« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2022, 02:20:35 PM »

41. George Bush (Republican-Texas) (1989-1997)
42. John Kerry (Democratic-Massachusetts) (1997-2005)
43. Micheal J. Hoffman (Democratic-Michigan)(2005-2013)
44. Emil Rodriguez (Republican-Florida)(2013-2017)


losing tickets

1992: Bill Clinton (Democratic-Arkansas)
1996: Bob Dole (Republican-Kansas) (WON popular vote)
2000: Jack Kemp (Republican-New York)
2004: W. Mitt Romney (Republican-Massachusetts) (popular vote DISPUTED)
2008: George W. Bush (Republican-Texas)
2012: John Edwards (Democratic-North Carolina)

President Rodriguez, the first Latin American to hold the office and the first Republican winner in 5 elections, hopes to make the electoral college obsolete.
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bagelman
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,616
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Political Matrix
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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2022, 10:13:45 PM »

Based on this.

POD: 2000 is a Republican landslide. Red Republicans Blue Democrats.

43. George W. Bush 2001-2005
44. John Kerry 2005-2013
45. Mitt Romney 2013-2021
46. Joe Biden 2021-


losers

2000: Al Gore
2004: George W. Bush (inc.)
2008: John McCain
2012: Hillary Clinton
2016: Barack Obama
2020: John Kasich
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bagelman
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2023, 11:29:02 AM »
« Edited: June 02, 2023, 02:43:42 PM by bagelman »

41. George Bush (Republican-Texas) 1989-1993
42. Donald J. Trump (Reform-New York) 1993-1999 (impeached) [1]
43. Dick Gephardt (Democrat-Missouri) 1999-2001 [2]
44. John Kasich (Republican-Ohio) 2001-2009 [3]
45. Bill Clinton (Democrat-Arkansas) 2009-2017 [4]
46. Hillary Clinton (Democrat-Washington DC) 2017-2021 [5]
47. Ted Cruz (Republican-Texas) 2021-2029 [6]
48. Marco Rubio (Republican-Florida) 2029-2033 [7]
49. Micheal J. Hoffman (Democrat-Ohio) 2033- [8]


Notable losers:

1992: George Bush (Republican-Texas), Paul Tsongas (Democrat-Massachusetts)
1996: Joe Biden (Democrat-Delaware), Jim Gilmore (Republican-Virginia)
2000: Dick Gephardt (Democrat-Missouri), Ben Carson (Reform-Maryland)
2004: Howard Dean (Democrat-Vermont)
2008: John E. "Jeb" Bush (Republican-Texas), Carly Fiorina (Reform-California)
2012: Mike Huckabee (Republican-Arkansas), George Pataki (Reform-New York)
2016: Rand Paul (Republican-Kentucky), Evan McMullin (Reform-Utah)
2020: Hillary Clinton (Democrat-New York)
2024: Barack H. Obama (Democrat-Illinois)
2028: Kamala D. Harris (Democrat-California)
2032: Marco Rubio (Republican-Florida)

Other semi-notable figures:

Rick Santorum (Republican-Pennsylvania) was the running mate of Mike Huckabee in 2012.

Chris Christie (Republican-New Jersey) was the running mate of Rand Paul in 2016 and unsuccessful candidate for the GOP nomination in 2020.

Lindsey Graham (Republican-South Carolina), Bobby Jindal (Republican-Louisiana), Rick Perry (Republican-Texas), and Scott Walker (Republican-Wisconsin) all ran for President at some point but lost the Republican nomination.

Footnotes:

[1] Compared NAFTA to a "giant sucking sound", a sentiment many feel is vindicated, even many who despise him. Trump governed more like a populist in his later years and also became more corrupt and unpopular with competent cabinet members who were often fired or resigned. A massive corruption scandal lead to his impeachment by a Democratic controlled congress, and the end of the millennium is remembered as a chaotic time in US political history as millions were personally loyal to him and sat out the 2000 election. Even today, hundreds of thousands still belong to his cult of personality.

[2] Trump's second VP, Patrick Buchanan (Reform-Virginia), was already out of office so the Democratic speaker of the House assumed power.

[3] Fiscal conservative who ran as a moderate in both his campaigns, to distance himself from right wing populism inspired by Trump.

[4] The moderate "New Democrat" faction came out on top in the bitterly contested Democratic primaries. After Obama withdrew and a right-wing tech CEO won the Reform party nomination, many believed the Green Party would mount a significant challenge for the Presidency. The Green Party chose to go down the route of kooky new age weirdness and flopped hard.

[5] The nomination of the wife of a sitting President was not without staunch opposition, generally from the left in the Democratic primaries. Once again, the moderate faction won out, this time with divide and conquer tactics. Hillary Clinton was an underdog but prevailed by attacking her opponent's staunch ideological stances. An issue focused campaign kept the White House in the Clinton family for a third term.

The 2020 Democratic primary was the most serious challenge to a sitting Democratic president in 40 years, as Bernie Sanders, originally in it just to give a platform to his left wing views, stayed in longer than planned when President Clinton aggressively tried to put him down. Despite facing another staunchly right wing opponent, President Clinton ran a weak campaign in 2020, was easier on her opponent than she was on Sanders, and clearly expected to lose.

[6] Some compare him to Ronald Reagan, but President Cruz is more comparable to President Kasich in that his fiscally conservative ideas were often blocked by a Democratic controlled congress less amenable to right wing policy than the Democrats of the 1980s. The government of the 2020s was characterized as doing nothing to solve anything, and many Cruz supporters openly liked that.

Cruz's biggest accomplishment was the invasion of Cuba and the overthrow of its decrepit post-communist regime. This was during his second term, in the mid 2020s. The success of this invasion was a major contributor to Republican retention of the White House in 2028, along with a weaker Democratic candidate.

[7] The Bush to Cruz's Reagan. The meme of him nervously taking a drink of water while giving a speech to the American people on an important issue is still laughed about today. When the occupation of Cuba was winding down in the early 2030s, Rubio was forced to campaign on other issues, and it was revealed that he wasn't that great.

[8] First mayor of Cleveland, Ohio to become President. A staunch progressive, finally giving the emergent left wing the White House. Also the first black President. There are dark rumors that a cabal of tech CEO's and hardline right wingers attempted a coup against him in January 2033, but if such rumors are true then it failed.
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bagelman
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2023, 03:24:08 AM »
« Edited: June 03, 2023, 03:35:00 AM by bagelman »

A list in the same flavor as the last one I made. Much shorter for a smaller US.

Presidents:

Donald J. Trump (Liberal-New York) 2001-2005
Bernard Sanders (Socialist-Vermont) 2005-2013
Hillary Clinton (Liberal-New York) 2013-2021


Vice Presidents:

Jim Webb (Liberal-Virginia) 2001-2005
Bill DeBlasio (Socialist-New York) 2005-2013
Joe Biden (Liberal-Delaware) 2013-2017
Martin O'Malley (Liberal-Maryland) 2017-2021


Notable losers:

2000: Ralph Nader (Socialist-Connecticut)
2004: Donald Trump (Liberal-New York)
2008: Lincoln Chafee (Liberal-Rhode Island)

2012: Bill DeBlasio (Socialist-New York)
2016: Elizabeth Warren (Socialist-Massachusetts)


As for 2020, the Liberals are set to nominate Vice President O'Malley, although there are rumors that Biden might try to rejoin the fray despite his age. Representing the moderate wing of the Liberal party (as Clinton herself had to an extent) Biden had decided to step down from running for a second term alongside President Clinton due to family tragedy. O'Malley is certainly beatable in a general election but the Socialists have yet to agree on a good candidate.

This version of the US is small. Shown is the 2008 election, and it should be noted that there is no electoral college, and state borders are certainly different than shown:

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bagelman
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2023, 03:58:33 PM »

Date when each President "doubled out", a term I invented for when it's been just as long as they were out of office as their time in office.

1. George Washington (as POTUS) January 7th 1805
2. John Adams, March 3rd 1805
3. Thomas Jefferson, March 4th 1817
4. James Madison, March 4th 1825
5,6. James Monroe and John Q. Adams, March 4th 1833
9. William H. Harrison, May 5th 1841
7,8. Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren, March 4th 1845
10. John Tyler, February 1st 1849
12. Zachary Taylor, November 13th 1851
11. James K Polk, March 4th 1853
13. Millard Fillmore, October 29th 1855
14. Franklin Pierce, March 4th 1861
15. James Buchanan, March 4th 1865
16. Abraham Lincoln, May 27th 1869
17. Andrew Johnson, January 21st 1873
20. James A. Garfield, April 6th 1882
18,19. Ulysses S. Grant and Rutherford B. Hayes, March 4th 1885
21. Chester A. Arthur, August 17th 1888
23. Benjamin Harrison, March 4th 1897
22/24. Grover Cleveland, March 5th 1901 (First term neutralized by Benjamin Harrison)
25. William McKinley, March 26th 1906
26. Theodore Roosevelt, August 22nd 1916
27. William H. Taft, March 4th 1917
29. Warren G. Harding, December 30th 1925
28. Woodrow Wilson, March 4th 1929
30. Calvin Coolidge, October 5th 1934
31. Herbert Hoover, March 4th 1937
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt, May 21st 1957
33. Harry S. Truman, October 30th 1960
35. John F. Kennedy, September 23rd 1966
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower, January 20th 1969
36. Lyndon B. Johnson, March 21st 1974
38. Gerald Ford, July 4th 1979
37. Richard M. Nixon, February 26th 1980
39. Jimmy Carter, January 20th 1985
40,41. Ronald Reagan and George Bush I, January 20th 1997
42. Bill Clinton, January 20th 2009
43. George Bush II, January 20th 2017
44,45. Barack Obama and Donald Trump, January 20th 2025
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bagelman
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,616
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« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2023, 12:55:19 AM »

1. George Washington (1785-1789)
2. John Adams (1789-1797)
3. Thomas Jefferson (1797-1801)
4. Aaron Burr (1801-1805)
5. George Clinton (1805-1812)
6. James Madison (1812-1813)
7. Elbridge Gerry (1813-1814)
6. James Madison (1814-1817)
8. Daniel D. Tompkins (1817-1825)
9. John C. Calhoun (1825-1832)
10. Andrew Jackson (1832-1833)
11. Martin van Buren (1833-1837)
12. Richard M. Johnson (1837-1841)
13. John Tyler (1841-1845)
14. George M. Dallas (1845-1849)
15. Millard Fillmore (1849-1853)
16. William R. King (1853)
17. Franklin Pierce (1853-1857)
18. John C. Breckinridge (1857-1861)
19. Hannibal Hamlin (1861-1865)
20. Andrew Johnson (1865-1869)
21. Schuyler Colfax (1869-1873)
22. Henry Wilson (1873-1875)
23. Ulysses S. Grant (1875-1877)
24. William A. Wheeler (1877-1881)
25. Chester A. Arthur (1881-1885)
26. Thomas A. Hendricks (1885)
27. Grover Cleveland (1885-1889)
28. Levi P. Morton (1889-1893)
29. Adlai Stevenson (1893-1897)
30. Garret Hobart (1897-1899)
31. William McKinley (1899-1901)
32. Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1905)
33. Charles W. Fairbanks (1905-1909)
34. James S. Sherman (1909-1912)
35. William H. Taft (1912-1913)
36. Thomas R. Marshall (1913-1921)
37. Calvin Coolidge (1921-1925)
38. Charles G. Dawes (1925-1929)
39. Charles Curtis (1929-1933)
40. John N. Garner (1933-1941)
41. Henry A. Wallace (1941-1945)
42. Harry S. Truman (1945-1949)
43. Alben W. Barkley (1949-1953)
44. Richard Nixon (1953-1961)
45. Lyndon B. Johnson (1961-1965)
46. Hubert Humphrey (1965-1969)
47. Spiro Agnew (1969-1973)
44. Richard Nixon (1973)
48. Gerald Ford (1973-1974)
49. Nelson Rockefeller (1974-1977)
50. Walter Mondale (1977-1981)
51. George Bush (1981-1989)
52. Dan Quayle (1989-1993)
53. Al Gore (1993-2001)
54. Dick Cheney (2001-2009)
55. Joe Biden (2009-2017)
56. Mike Pence (2017-2021)
57. Kamala Harris (2021-present)
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