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« Reply #1025 on: October 20, 2020, 11:16:44 AM »

The Duke Wins:
[color=#crimson]Michael Dukakis/Lloyd Bentsen, 1989-1997[/color]
[color=#crimson]Ann Richards/Bill Clinton, 1997-2001[/color]
[color=#navy]Elizabeth Dole/John Engler 2001-2009[/color]
[color=#navy]John McCain/Bobby Jindal 2009-2017[/color]
[color=#navy]Bobby Jindal/Herman Cain 2017-2021[/color]
[color=#crimson]Tammy Baldwin/Deval Patrick 2021-[/color]
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« Reply #1026 on: October 20, 2020, 07:35:25 PM »
« Edited: October 20, 2020, 07:43:39 PM by Huey Long is a Republican »

Burr becomes President in 1800 after Jefferson Dies in before EC convenes, Part 1 (1801-1869)

3. Aaron Burr (DR-NY) [1801-1809]
VP : Abraham Baldwin (DR-GA) [1801-1807]; Vacant (1807-1809)
1800 : def. Pres. John Adams (F-MA)/Fmr Min to France Charles C. Pinckney (F-SC)
1804 : def. Fmr Sec. of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton (F-NY)/Fmr Min to France Charles C. Pinckney (F-SC)

4. Phillip Van Cortlandt (DR-NY) [1809-1817]
VP : John Sevier (DR-TN) [1809-1815]; Vacant (1815-1817)
1808 : def. Fmr. Sec of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton (F-NY)/Fmr Min to France Charles C. Pinckney (F-SC)
1812 : Fmr. General Alexander Hamilton (F-NY)/Fmr Min to France Charles C. Pinckney (F-SC)

5. William H. Crawford (DR-GA) [1817-1825]
VP : Simon Snyder (DR-PA) [1817-1819]; Vacant (1819-1821); Daniel D. Tompkins (DR-NY) [1821-1825]
1816 : Sen. Rufus King (F-NY)/Fmr. Sen. John Eager Howard (F-MD)
1820 : None, but 1 Electoral Vote was given to Secretary of State Henry Clay of Kentucky

6. Andrew Jackson (DR-TN) [1825-1833]
VP : John C. Calhoun (DR-SC) [1825-1831]; Vacant (1831-1833)*
1824 : def. Attorney General John Q. Adams (DR-MA)/Sec. of War John C. Calhoun (DR-SC); Speaker of the House Henry Clay (DR-KY)/Fmr. Sen. Nathan Sanford (DR-NY)
1828 : def. Fmr. Attorney General John Q. Adams (NR-MA)/Gov. Richard Rush (NR-PA)

7. Sam Houston (PD-TN) [1833-1835]**
VP : Martin Van Buren (PD-TN) [1833-1835]
1832 : Sen. Henry Clay (NR-KY)/Rep. John Sergeant (NR-PA); Gov. John Floyd (N-VA)/Merchent Henry Lee (N-MA); Sen. William Wirt (AM-VA)/Gov. Amos Ellmaker (AM-PA)

8. Martin Van Buren (PD-NY) (1835-1841)***
VP : Vacant (1835-1837); William Cabell Rives (PD-VA) [1837-1841]
1836 : Gen. William Henry Harrison (W-OH)/Rep. Francis Granger (W-NY); Sen. Hugh L. White (W-TN)/Sen. John Tyler (W-VA); Sen. Daniel Webster (W-MA)/Rep. Francis Granger (W-NY); Sen. Willie P. Magnum (W-NC)/Sen. John Tyler (W-VA)

9. William Henry Harrison (W-OH) [1841]****
VP : John Tyler (W-VA) [1841]
1840 : def. Pres. Martin Van Buren (PD-NY)/Vice Pres. William Cabell Rives (PD-VA)

10. John Tyler (W-VA) [1841-1843]'
VP : Vacant (1841-1843)

11. Willie Magnum (W-NC) [1843-1845]''
VP : Vacant (1843-1845)

12. Daniel Webster (W-MA) [1845-1846]'''
VP : Davy Crockett (W-TN) [1845-1846]
1844 : Sen. Richard M. Johnson (PD-KY)/Fmr. Gov. Lewis Cass (PD-MI)

13. Davy Crockett (W-TN) [1846-1847]''''
VP : Vacant (1846-1847)

14. William R. King (C-AL) [1847-1849]|
VP : Vacant (1847-1849)

15. Aaron Burr Alston (C-SC) [1849-1857]||
VP : Stephen A. Douglass (C-IL) [1849-1857]
1848 : def. Gen. Zachary Taylor (W-LA)/Robert C. Winthrop (W-LA); Davy Crockett (F-TN)/Thomas B. King (F-GA); Pres. William R. King (PW-AL)/Sen. Franklin Pierce (PW-NH); Fmr. Pres. Martin Van Buren (FS-NY)/Sen. Charles F. Adams (FS-MA)
1852 : Gen. Winfield Scott (W-NJ)/Lieutenant Governor Millard Fillmore (W-NY)

16. Benjamin Fitzpatrick (C-AL) [1857-1861]
VP : James A. Bayard (C-DE) [1857-1861]
1856 : Gov. John Van Buren (R-NY)/Speaker Nathaniel P. Banks (R-MA); Fmr. Lieutenant Governor Millard Fillmore (KN-NY)/Gov. Henry J. Gardner (KN-MA)

17. William F. Burr (R-GA) [1861-1869]|||
VP : Charles Sumner (R-MA) [1861-1865]; John Snyder Carlile (U-VA)
1860 : def. Chief Justice Abraham Lincoln (U-IL)/Gov. Herschel V. Johnson (U-GA); Sen. John C. Breckenridge (D-LA)/Sen. Joseph Lane (D-OR)
1864 : Fmr. Vice Pres. James A. Bayard (C-DE)/Sen. George Pendleton (C-OH)

Some Notes
*-Resigned from VP over Tarriff dispute and Sec of State Buren's appointment with Pres. Jackson

**- Died of Yellow Fever after catching it while on a hunting trip

***- First Vice President to succeed President upon death of President

****- Died of Pneumonia after a month in office

'- Died of a Heart Attack; Second Vice President to become President

''- First ever President Pro Tempore to become President; Snap Presidential Election put off thanks to Whig Senate Leaders

'''- Assassinated

''''- Forced to resign over corruption allegations, allegations proven to be false in early 1848.

|- Second President Pro Tempore to become President; Snap Election avoided thanks to Constitution Controlled Congress

||- Grandson of Former President Aaron Burr and Son of Former South Carolina Senator Joseph Alston;14th Secretary of War (1829-1830); 34th Lieutenant Governor of South Carolina (1830-1832); Congressman from South Carolina's 3rd Congressional District (1832-1834); 54th Governor of South Carolina (1834-1836); Class 3 United States Senator from South Carolina (1837-1849); Defeated President King in the 1848 (First) Constitution Party Convention.

|||- Great-Grandson of Former President Aaron Burr and Son of Former President Aaron Burr Alston; Born in 1819 Has an ex-slave as his wife in 1858; Attorney at Law (1837-1843); 22nd Attorney General of Georgia (1843-1846) [Resigned to fight in the War (1846-1847)]; Attorney for President Crockett in his Corruption Trial (1847); 7th Secretary of State of Georgia (1847-1851); Congressman from Georgia's 1st Congressional District (1851-1853); 40th Governor of Georgia (1853-1855); Class 3 United States Senator from Georgia (1855-1861); Originally a People's Democrat and Constitutionalist at the start of his life thanks to his father's influence, they had a falling out in the mid 40s leading him to become a Whig in 1846. While a Whig, he was still pro-slavery when being elected as Governor and joining the Senate (even ran a campaign in 1856 for the Vice Presidential Nomination of Know Nothings) before 1857 when, after reading several articles and a letter from CJ Lincoln changed his mind and turned him into a radical supporter of Abolition, leading him to become a Southern Firebrand and a rising star for the newly founded Republican Party. Believes All Major Leaders of the Rebellion (Politicians and Military Commanders) should be executed, all plantation owners should be stripped of their land (which is in return given to Freed slaves) and a strict new educational program is enforced. He gets this done and his successor decides to follow his example after Chief Justice Lincoln rules in favor of him after he threatens to pack the Court with Radicals.

Parties

PD - People's Democrat : Founded in 1831 by President Andrew Jackson and his supporters, they were more populists who believed in the ideas of Democracy, hence their name.

C - Constitution : Founded in 1845 from the ruins of the People's Democrats, they were extremely pro-slavery southerners or anti-abolition moderate northerners.

F & PW - Frontier and Popular Will : New Parties formed for Former President Davy Crockett (Frontier) and President King (Popular Will) made up of themselves and their supporters from their original parties (Whig and Constitution respectfully). Only existed for the 1848 Election. Afterwards, disbanded and rejoined their original parties.

U & D - Unionist (1860) and Democrat : New Parties formed following a split in the Constitution Party over Slavery during the 1860 Election with Northerners and anti-secessionist Southerners joining the Unionists and the Pro-Secession Southerners joining the Democrats. Formed only for the 1860 election, though the Unionist Party would briefly be revived to be used as a ticket between President Burr and future VP Carlile.

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« Reply #1027 on: October 24, 2020, 05:08:43 PM »

For a timeline I'm considering after I finish the FLaG spinoff I'm writing.

General Secretaries of the Socialist Labor Party of the Commonwealth of Britain.
1919-1945: James Maxton*
1945-1953: Clement Atlee
1953-1963: Hugh Gaitskell*
1963-1989: James Callaghan
1989-1991: Shirley Williams
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« Reply #1028 on: October 27, 2020, 04:21:37 PM »
« Edited: October 27, 2020, 04:27:12 PM by Oregon Blue Dog »

U. S Presidents

The Pre-War Era (2009-2020)

44. Barack H. Obama (Democratic - Illinois) / Joseph R. Biden (Democratic - Delaware) January 20, 2009  - January 20, 2017
45. Donald J. Trump (Republican - Florida) / Michael R. Pence (Republican - Indiana) January 20, 2017 - December 18, 2020*

Second American Civil War (2020 - 2029)

American Government (Mar-a-Lago Government)

45. Donald J. Trump (Republican/American - Florida) / Michael R. Pence (Republican - Indiana) December 18, 2020 - November 23, 2024*
won 2024 Election unopposed
45. Donald J. Trump (American - Florida) / Thomas B. Cotton (American - Arkansas) November 23, 2024 - May 4, 2027**
46. Thomas B. Cotton (American - Arkansas) / position vacant May 4, 2027 - June 19, 2027
46. Thomas B. Cotton (American - Arkansas) / Donald Trump Jr. (American - Florida) June 19, 2027 to August 9, 2029

Won 2028 Election by acclamation

*Vice President Michael R. Pence deposed and executed for alleged treachery
**President Donald J. Trump died of stroke


Provisional Government (New York City Government)

46. Nancy D. Pelosi (Democratic - California) / position vacant December 18, 2020 - January 20, 2021
47. Joseph R. Biden (Democratic/National Unity - Delaware) / Kamala D. Harris (Democratic/National Unity - California) January 20, 2021 - February 6, 2022**

48. Kamala D. Harris (National Unity - California) / position vacant February 6, 2022 - February 14, 2022
48. Kamala D. Harris (National Unity - California) / Andrew M. Cuomo (National Unity - New York) February 14, 2022 - August 9, 2029

- defeat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Democratic Socialist - New York) / Pramila Jayapal (Democratic Socialist - Washington) in 2024
- defeat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Democratic Socialist - New York) / Kevin De Leon (Democratic Socialist - California) in 2028


* Disputed by Provisional Government
** Resigned due to health issues

Columbus Accords and Second Constitutional Convention (establishment of Federated States of America)

Under the new Federated States of America, states were granted far more leeway to decide their individual policy. The federal government was significantly reformed and weakened, becoming a guarantor of basic civil rights, national defense, and a facilitator of interstate relations. Executive and federal judiciary power was largely reduced, and the ability of Congress to pass national laws was significantly curtailed.

The Global Climate Crisis (colloquially known as “The Turmoil”) (2029-2057)

50*. Spencer Cox (Nonpartisan - Utah) / Stephanie Murphy (Nonpartisan - Virginia) August 9, 2029 - January 20, 2037
- Appointed by delegates of the Second Constitutional Convention in August 2029
- Unopposed in 2030 Special Election
- Defeated Ayanna Pressley (Nonpartisan - Massachusetts) and George P. Bush (Nonpartisan - Texas) in 2032 election


51. Stephanie Murphy (Nonpartisan - Virginia) / Elise Stefanik (Nonpartisan - New York) January 20, 2037 -  January 20, 2045
- Defeated Charlie Kirk (Nonpartisan - Illinois) and Kshama Sawant (Nonpartisan - Washington) in 2036 election
- Defeated Alek Skarlatos (Nonpartisan - Oregon) in 2040 election


52. Elise Stefanik (Nonpartisan - New York) / Ruben Gallego (Nonpartisan - Arizona) January 20, 2045 - January 20, 2049
- Won 2044 election by acclamation
- Nonpartisan Presidents Act repealed in 2048 with consent of 40 states
- President Stefanik retires due to health issues

53. Ruben Gallego (New Democratic - Arizona) / Emma Mobley (New Democratic - North Carolina) January 20, 2049 - January 20, 2057
- Defeated Robert Stark (Conservative - Indiana) / Alek Skarlatos (Conservative - Oregon)
- Defeated Bruno Collier (Conservative - Kansas) / Margaret Strus (Conservative - Georgia)


The New American Age (2049 - present)

54. Emma Mobley (New Democratic - North Carolina) / LeBron James (New Democratic - Erie) January 20, 2057 - January 20, 2061
- Defeated Bruno Collier (Conservative - Kansas) / Barron Trump (Conservative - Alabama)

55. Judy Markham (Conservative - Nebraska) / Sharad Adhya (Conservative - California)
January 20, 2061 - present

- Defeated Emma Mobley (New Democratic - North Carolina) / Lebron James (New Democratic - Erie)


*As per the Columbus Accords, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and Tom Cotton were all 'recognized' as Presidents, making Spencer Cox (Governor of the wartime Utah Safe Zone) America's 50th President.
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« Reply #1029 on: October 27, 2020, 05:31:02 PM »

Wow! That was great, perfect for future timeline material.
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« Reply #1030 on: November 10, 2020, 11:21:28 AM »

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1845-1853: Stephen Douglas / Lewis Cass (Democratic) [1]
1844: Henry Clay / Millard Fillmore (Whig)
1848: John Clayton / Robert Charles Winthrop (Whig) [2]
1853-1857: Henry Gardner / John Scott Harrison (Whig) [3]
1852: William Marcy / Robert Hunter (Democratic)
1857-1861: Lewis Cass / Fernando Wood (Democratic) [4]
1856: Henry Gardner / John Scott Harrison (Whig)

[1] The taking of the nomination by the young charismatic Senator from Illinois was the political rejuvenation that the Democratic Party needed after their embarrassing defeat to William Henry Harrison. Douglas spared the Democratic Party the nomination of Martin van Buren who was vastly seen as out of touch with the population. Douglas's vigorous and inspirational campaign put the Clay campaign into a tailspin, leading to the desperate nomination of lightweight Millard Fillmore in a bid to win New York. Fillmore would campaign in a frighteningly nativist way which earned massive crowds but terrified the Clay campaign in terms of winning votes. In the end, Douglas would win decisively although strange swings occurred to the Whigs due to Fillmore's positions.

[2] Douglas would prove to be a popular President even as he dealt with a nascent economy. As Texas became an independent nation propped up by the French and the British and Mexicans proxy warred over influence of the vast frontier territory, America broadly stepped away from colonization and focused on domestic issues. He pushed aggressive elimination of tariffs to promote free trade, a policy amenable to the South and their cotton industry which relied on international trade. The Whigs used this point to make a furious return in the midterms. This did little to help long term issues with the Whigs. This was apparent when the party nominated John Clayton who proved to be aloof and overly attached to Whig principles when Fillmore had shown the party's base was interested in something more exciting. Even more accentuated was Clayton's pick of the young Congressman, Robert Winthrop. The party would make up some ground from 1844 but lose decisively. In a discussion with party leaders after the disastrous defeat, Winthrop, the only Whig who exited the election with higher profile, would make the case that it was essential that the party improve with immigrants if they had any chance of surviving.

[3] It was the party's failure to respond to the demands of their electorate that led to the shocking rise of Henry Gardner. Knocking out a dozen respected politicians most notably Edward Everett who he decried as weak, the rabble rousing Massachusetts Governor used effective grassroots organizations to pry the mechanisms of the party from its leadership and took the Whigs on a path of nativism and protectionism. As Winthrop watched in horror as immigrants went to the Democrats in droves, the young Speaker of the unruly Whig House saw the electoral doom that Gardner was taking the party in, something that even Gardner's choice of stalwart Whig Indiana Governor John Harrison could not change. They would be annihilated by Secretary of State William Macy in the elections no doubt. Winthrop called up friendly Whig newspapers and prepared to publish an article attacking Gardner the day after the election as a disaster for the party.

And then Gardner won. Not only won, but broke through into Arkansas, Missouri, and Louisiana, states the Whigs had always failed to win. A political tide was turning

[4] Winthrop tried working with the new President but retired in his 40s before the next midterm, defeated and dejected. The ridiculous and showman style of Gardner worked to gain immense affection from some and huge detestment from others. His immigration policies saw a total ban of all European arrivals which proved to be a boon for the Republic of Texas which received them instead. Gardner's confrontational style laser focused on the British Empire which he accused of not playing by the rules of "free trade" and enriching themselves by manipulating the markets. The brutal tariff war against the British Empire was a mixed bag, but as Gardner moved away from the nativist candidate and became increasingly the anti-British candidate, something strange occurred. Immigrants from nations that opposed Britain and traditionally Democratic voters in the South started to flock to Gardner even as normally upper class Whig voters left the party, disgusted by his attitude, governing style, and horrifying comments.

[5] While these political changes were significant, the fundamentals just were not in Gardner's favor especially after his administration's haphazard and amateur response to an outbreak of cholera including comments about how nobody should have to boil their water before drinking it. The old party stalwart and former Vice President to Douglas, at the age of 74, was elected President of the United States by threading the needle of winning back disaffected Douglas-Gardner voters, holding onto the South, and winning the upper class educated Northerners who liked Gardner's policies but hated his style which overcame Gardner's shocking gains among immigrant communities that turned New York from a swing to a solid Whig state. Cass unfortunately had little mandate, his victory not translating downballot where the Whigs gained in the House and the Senate. Even worse, Gardner decried the election as rigged, noting Democratic governors in the three Southern states he won in 1852 as being proof of rigging. Why he lost the Whig controlled state of Ohio and Kentucky was ignored. As faith in American Democracy seems to be at its lowest since the nullification crisis and President Cass elected on not much more than "not being Gardner," both parties look to the future with trepidation. Rumors circulate that Gardner intends to start his own nation wide newspaper to attack his enemies and perhaps even come back to power in 1860. Meanwhile Cass is almost certain not to run for reelection yet Vice President Wood, nominated purely as a coalition pick, seems unable to step up to the mantle. All remains to be seen in the upcoming midterms.
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« Reply #1031 on: November 10, 2020, 07:47:19 PM »

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
45. Donald John Trump (Republican, New York) January 20, 2017 – January 26, 2021 §
46. Joseph Robinette Biden (Democratic, Delaware) January 26, 2021 – January 20, 2025
47. Kamala Devi Harris (Democratic, California) January 20, 2025 – January 22, 2025 §

Acting. Kevin Owen McCarthy (Republican, California) January 22, 2025 – January 29, 2025 §
48. Michael Richard Pence (Republican, Indiana) January 29, 2025 – March 15, 2027 *
49. Joshua David Hawley (Republican, Missouri) March 15, 2027 – January 20, 2037
50. Thomas Bryant Cotton (Republican, Arkansas) January 20, 2037 – January 20, 2045
51. Richard Bertrand Spencer (Republican, Georgia) January 20, 2045 – January 20, 2053
52. Kyle Howard Rittenhouse (Republican, Illinois) January 20, 2053 – present
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« Reply #1032 on: November 10, 2020, 08:07:12 PM »

President of the Congress of the U.S.

Franklin D. Roosevelt (DFL–N.Y.), 1931–1951
Sam Rayburn (DFL–Texas), 1951 Def.
Robert A. Taft (NR–Ohio), 1951–1953
William Knowland (NR–Calif.), 1953–1956 Def.
Sam Rayburn (DFL–Texas), 1956–1960 Def.
William Knowland (NR–Calif.), 1960–1966 Def.
Lyndon Johnson (DFL–Texas), 1966–1970 Ret.
Mike Mansfield (DFL–Mont.), 1970 Def.
Richard Nixon (NR–Calif.), 1970 Res.
Gerald R. Ford (NR–Mich.), 1970–1971 Def.
Mike Mansfield (DFL–Mont.), 1971–1975 Ret.
Thomas P. O'Neill (DFL–Mass.), 1975–1989 Ret.
Al Gore Jr. (DFL–Tenn.), 1989–1991 Def.
George Bush (C–Texas), 1991–1996 Def.
Al Gore Jr. (DFL–Tenn.), 1996–1998 Def.
Newt Gingrich (C–Ga.), 1998–1999 Res.
Bob Livingston (C–La.), 1999–2000 Def.
Al Gore Jr. (DFL–Tenn.), 2000–2002 Lost party leadership
Joe Biden (DFL–Del.), 2002 Def.
Mitch McConnell (C–Ky.), 2002–2008 Def.
Joe Biden (DFL–Del.), 2008–2018 Ret.
Elizabeth Warren (DFL–Mass.), 2018–2020 Def.
Mitch McConnell (C–Ky.), 2020 Res.
Paul Ryan (C–Wisc.), 2020–present
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« Reply #1033 on: November 12, 2020, 11:26:44 AM »

Dwight Eisenhower/Richard Nixon (Republican) 1953-1961
Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican) 1961-1962
Henry Cabot Lodge Jr./Thruston Morton (Republican) 1962-1969
Nelson Rockefeller/John Tower (Republican) 1969-1977
John Tower/Howard Baker (Republican) 1977-1982
Howard Baker/John Sununu (Republican) 1982-1985
John Sununu/Richard Thornburgh (Republican) 1985-1993
Michael Dukakis/Evan Bayh (Democratic) 1993-2001
Evan Bayh/Jim Hunt (Democratic) 2001-2002
Jim Hunt/Andrew Cuomo (Democratic) 2002-2009
Andrew Cuomo/Mark Warner (Democratic) 2009-2017
Mark Warner/Joe Torsella (Democratic) 2017-2022
Joe Torsella/Andrew Beshear (Democratic) 2022-

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« Reply #1034 on: November 12, 2020, 11:49:54 AM »

Dwight Eisenhower/Richard Nixon (Republican) 1953-1961
Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican) 1961-1962
Henry Cabot Lodge Jr./Thruston Morton (Republican) 1962-1969
Nelson Rockefeller/John Tower (Republican) 1969-1977
John Tower/Howard Baker (Republican) 1977-1982
Howard Baker/John Sununu (Republican) 1982-1985
John Sununu/Richard Thornburgh (Republican) 1985-1993
Michael Dukakis/Evan Bayh (Democratic) 1993-2001
Evan Bayh/Jim Hunt (Democratic) 2001-2002
Jim Hunt/Andrew Cuomo (Democratic) 2002-2009
Andrew Cuomo/Mark Warner (Democratic) 2009-2017
Mark Warner/Joe Torsella (Democratic) 2017-2022
Joe Torsella/Andrew Beshear (Democratic) 2022-


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« Reply #1035 on: November 12, 2020, 11:52:32 AM »

Poppy goes the way of Major

41.  George H.W. Bush (R-TX) / Dan Quayle (R-IN); 1989-1997
42.  Al Gore, Jr. (D-TN) / John Kerry (D-MA); 1997-2005  
43.  John Kerry (D-MA) / Wesley Clark (D-AR); 2005-2009
44.  Mitt Romney (R-MA) / Rob Portman (R-OH); 2009-2017
45.  Barack Obama (D-IL) / Tim Kaine (D-VA); 2017-2021
46.  Donald Trump (R-NY) / Nikki Haley (R-SC); 2021-present

Defeated tickets:
1992:  Gov. Bill Clinton (D-AR) / Sen. Harris Wofford (D-PA)
1996:  Sen. Bob Dole (R-KS) / Rep. Jack Kemp (R-NY)
2000:  Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) / Gov. Christine Todd Whitman (R-NJ)
2004:  Gov. George W. Bush (R-TX) / Fmr. Sec. of Defense Dick Cheney (R-WY)
2008:  Pres. John Kerry (D-MA) / Vice Pres. Wesley Clark (D-AR)
2012:  Fmr. Vice Pres. Wesley Clark (D-AR) / Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA)
2016:  Vice Pres. Rob Portman (R-OH) / Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)
2020:  Pres. Barack Obama (D-IL) / Vice Pres. Tim Kaine (D-VA)
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« Reply #1036 on: November 15, 2020, 03:59:26 PM »

Biden as Taylor

46. Joseph R. Biden (D-DE)/Kamala D. Harris (D-CA) Jan. 20 2021-Jul. 5 2022*
47. Kamala D. Harris (D-CA)/Steven Bullock (D-MT) Jul. 5 2022-Jan. 20 2025
48. Greg Abbott (R-TX)/Marco Rubio (R-FL) Jan. 20 2025-Jan. 20 2029**
49. Marco Rubio (R-FL)/Daniel Crenshaw (R-TX) Jan. 20 2029-Jan. 20 2033
50. John Fetterman (P-PA)/Lauren Underwood (P-IL) Jan. 20 2033---***

*Died of natural causes
**Declined to run for a second term due to health reasons
***First President of the Progressive Party, formed in 2026
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« Reply #1037 on: November 22, 2020, 05:52:42 PM »

An Earlier Biden Vice Presidency and Presidency:

38. Gerald Ford (Republican): 1974-1981
VP: Nelson Rockefeller: 1974-1977, Bob Dole: 1977-1981

39. Reubin Askew (Democratic): 1981-1989
VP: Joe Biden: 1981-1989

40. Jack Kemp (Republican): 1989-1993
VP: Howard Baker: 1989-1993

41. Joe Biden (Democratic): 1993-2001
VP: Al Gore: 1993-2001
42. Al Gore (Democratic): 2001-2009
VP: Dick Gephardt: 2001-2009

43. Mitt Romney (Republican): 2009-2017
VP: Tim Pawlenty: 2009-2017
44. Tim Pawlenty (Republican): 2017-2021
VP: Rick Scott: 2017-2021

45. Elizabeth Warren (Democratic): 2021-Incumbent
VP: Sherrod Brown: 2021-Incumbent


Defeated Tickets:
1976: Ted Kennedy / Frank Church (Democratic)
1980: Ronald Reagan / John Anderson (Republican)
1984: Bob Dole / Pete du Pont (Republican)
1988: Gary Hart / Bill Clinton (Democratic)
1992: Jack Kemp / Howard Baker (Republican)
1996: Howard Baker / Jim Edgar, Pat Buchanan / Phil Crane (Conservative Independent)
2000: Newt Gingrich / Tommy Thompson (Republican)
2004: John McCain / J.C. Watts (Republican)
2008: Dick Gephardt / Mary Landrieu (Democratic)
2012: Evan Bayh / Bill Richardson (Democratic)
2016: Martin O'Malley / Amy Klobuchar (Democratic)
2020: Tim Pawlenty / Rick Scott (Republican)

Presidents from 1969-2021 ranked out of all 44 (C-Span 2021 Poll):
Richard Nixon: 32/44
Gerald Ford: 26/44

Reubin Askew: 14/44
Jack Kemp: 25/44
Joe Biden: 16/44
Al Gore: 21/44

Mitt Romney: 18/44
Tim Pawlenty: 33/44
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« Reply #1038 on: December 07, 2020, 11:32:54 PM »

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
42. William Jefferson Clinton (Democratic, Arkansas) 1993–1998 *
43. Albert Arnold Gore (Democratic, Tennessee) 1998–2009
44. Willard Mitt Romney (Republican, Massachusetts) 2009–2017
45. Bernard Sanders (Democratic, Vermont) 2017–present
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« Reply #1039 on: December 08, 2020, 06:50:32 PM »

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
42. William Jefferson Clinton (Democratic, Arkansas) 1993–1998 *
43. Albert Arnold Gore (Democratic, Tennessee) 1998–2009
44. Willard Mitt Romney (Republican, Massachusetts) 2009–2017
45. Bernard Sanders (Democratic, Vermont) 2017–present

Gore could only serve a maximum of 10 years so Clinton would've had to resign or be removed from office on or after January 20th 1999 for Gore to serve until 2009. Otherwise, he'd only be able to serve till 2005.
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« Reply #1040 on: December 09, 2020, 12:36:54 AM »

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
45. Donald John Trump (Republican, New York) 2017–2021
46. Joseph Robinette Biden (Democratic, Delaware) 2021–2025
47. Donald John Trump (Republican, Florida) 2025–2025 *,†
48. Kamala Devi Harris (Democratic, California) 2025–2029 **
49. Joshua David Hawley (Republican, Missouri) 2029–2037
50. Stacey Yvonne Abrams (Democratic, Georgia) 2037–present

† Died in office of natural causes

* Elected president by the House of Representatives following the tied 2024 election
** Elected vice president by the Senate following the tied 2024 election, succeeded to office following the death of President Trump
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« Reply #1041 on: December 09, 2020, 01:47:17 AM »

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
32. Franklin Delano Roosevelt (Democratic, New York) 1933–1945 †
33. James Francis Byrnes (Democratic, South Carolina) 1945–1949

34. Dwight David Eisenhower (Republican, Kansas) 1949–1957
35. Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller (Republican, New York) 1957–1965
36. George Wilcken Romney (Republican, Michigan) 1965–1973
37. William Warren Scranton (Republican, Pennsylvania) 1973–1981
38. George Herbert Walker Bush (Republican, Texas) 1981–1989
39. Courken George Deukmejian (Republican, California) 1989–1993

40. Henry Ross Perot (Unaffiliated→Reform, Texas) 1993–1997
41. William Jefferson Clinton (Progressive, Arkansas) 1997–1998 *
42. Richard Andrew Gephardt (Progressive, Missouri) 1998–2001

43. George Walker Bush (People's, Texas) 2001–2005
44. Joseph Isadore Lieberman (Progressive, Connecticut) 2005–2009
45. Barack Hussein Obama (New Democratic, Hawai'i) 2009–2017
46. Thomas Bryant Cotton (America First, Arkansas) 2017–present
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« Reply #1042 on: December 14, 2020, 02:56:16 AM »

PRESIDENTS OF THE UNITED STATES

41. George HW Bush/Dan Quayle (1989 - 1997) defeated Michael Dukakis/Lloyd Bentsen (1988) and Jerry Brown/Paul Tsongas (1992)
42. Jerry Brown/Paul Tsongas (1997 - 2001) defeated Lamar Alexander/Bill Bennett (1996)
43. John McCain/Tom Ridge (2001 - 2009) defeated Jerry Brown/Joe Biden (2000) and Joe Biden/Carol Moseley Braun (2004)
44. Barack Obama/Phil Bredesen (2009 - 2017) defeated Rudy Giuliani/Mitt Romney (2008) and Rick Perry/Michele Bachmann (2012)
45. Phil Bredesen/Anthony Foxx (2017 - 2021) defeated Donald Trump/Newt Gingrich (2016)
46. Marco Rubio/Ben Sasse (2021 - 2029) defeated Amy Klobuchar/Deval Patrick (2020) and Kamala Harris/Steve Bullock (2024)
47. Stacey Abrams/Gavin Newsom (2029 - 2037) defeated Tom Cotton/Nikki Haley (2028) and Josh Hawley/Kristi Noem (2032)
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« Reply #1043 on: December 14, 2020, 10:54:00 AM »

Two Round multi party America
President Richard Gephardt (Social Democratic) 1997-2005
Governor John Bush (Liberal Party) 2005-2009
Fmr. Senator John Edwards (Social Democratic) 2009-2010
Vice President Ed Rendell (Social Democratic) 2010-2013
Mayor Mike Bloomberg (Liberal Party) 2013-2017
Activist Ralph Nader (Socialist) 2017-2021
Lt. Governor Pete Buttigieg (Liberal Party) 2021-2025
Congressman Paul Gosar (American National) 2025-

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« Reply #1044 on: December 16, 2020, 10:29:27 PM »

33. Jimmy Carter (DFL–Ga.), 1977-1981
34. Ronald Reagan (Rep–Calif.), 1981-1989
35. Bill Clinton (DFL–Ark.), 1989-2001
36. George W. Bush (Rep–Texas), 2001-2005
37. Joe Biden (DFL–Penn.), 2005-2017
38. Hillary Clinton (DFL–Ill.), 2017-2021
39. Nikki Haley (Rep–S.C.), 2021-2037
40. Karla Hernandez (DFL–Fla.), 2037-present
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« Reply #1045 on: December 18, 2020, 07:21:59 PM »

44. Hillary Clinton (Democrat) 2009-2013
2008: defeated John McCain (Republican)
45. W. Mitt Romney (Republican) 2013-2021
2012: defeat Hillary Clinton (Democrat, incumbent)
2016: defeated Barack Obama (Democrat), but LOST popular vote

46. H. Eugene Raymond (Republican) 2021-2025
2020: defeated Elizabeth Warren (Democrat)
47. Barack Obama (Democrat) 2025-2031
2024: defeated H. Eugene Raymond (Republican, incumbent) and John McAfee (Independent)
2028: defeated Ivanka Trump (Republican)
2031: forced to resign in the aftermath of the Hurricane State Allowance Scandal the previous year

48. Joseph Raimondo (Democrat) 2031-2033
49. Allen Clarkston (Republican) 2033-2037
2032: defeated Joseph Raimondo (Democrat, incumbent)
50. Zelda O'Patrick Smith (Democrat) 2037-
2036: defeated Allen Clarkston (Republican, incumbent)
2040: heavy favorite to win


The names aren't important. The idea here is that Clinton wins the primary which is tantamount to election in 2008, however she is a one term President. Romney wins against Obama despite Obama winning by over a 2% margin in the popular vote, and his moderate "good government" administration is followed by a right wing populist who very narrowly defeats Progressive Warren in a election where the electoral college is again very heavily tilted R in relation to the popular vote.

With Republicans in power for 5 out of 6 Presidential terms during the 21st century, Democrats turn to Senator Obama to unite Progressives and Neoliberals. 2024 is even more impressive than 2008 as a quixotic third party candidate steals votes from the Republicans, and Obama's margin of victory is commanding. Obama's charm leads him to another big win in 2028.

However, scandal breaks in 2030. A simple investigation into mismanagment of funds relating to hurricane relief reveals that President Obama was involved in scandal and he is forced to resign, a hero fallen, in early 2031. The Republicans, having suddenly gained congress, are in a perfect position for 2032.

However, they have little direction in the 2030s. Back when Boomers were still around in large number, they could count on their support both from fiscal conservatives and more rural right wing populists in 2020. Their party is confused. Their Presidential Candidate only narrowly wins in 2032, and presides over a major pandemic and climate change disasters while switching between duct taping them and encouraging everyone to keep calm and carry on.

Zelda Smith wins a landslide, a proper one beating either of Obama's performances and Clinton '08, and the Democrats have regained their place as the natural party of government during her administration.
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« Reply #1046 on: December 18, 2020, 08:09:28 PM »
« Edited: September 22, 2022, 02:57:34 AM by bagelman »

43. Al Gore (Democrat) 2001-2003
2000: defeats George W. Bush (Republican)
2003: Assassinated by terrorist

44. Joe Lieberman (Democrat) 2003-2009
2004: defeats Billy Graham (Republican)
45. John McCain (Republican) 2009-2014
2008: defeats Joe Lieberman (Democrat)
2012: defeats John Kerry (Democrat)
2014: forced to resign due to cancer diagnosis

46. Kyle Hirokoma (Republican) 2014-2017
47. Hillary Clinton (Democrat) 2017-2021
2016: defeats Kyle Hirokoma (Republican, incumbent)
48. Donald S. Orlando (Republican) 2021-2025
2020: defeated Hillary Clinton (Democrat, incumbent)
49. Micheal J. Hoffman (Democrat) 2025-
2024: defeats Donald S. Orlando (Republican, incumbent)


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43. Al Gore (Democrat) 2001-2003
2000: defeats George W. Bush (Republican)
2003: Assassinated by terrorist

44. Joe Lieberman (Democrat) 2003-2009
2004: defeats Billy Graham (Republican)
45. George W. Bush (Republican) 2009-2014
2008: defeats Joe Lieberman (Democrat)
2012: defeats John Kerry (Democrat)
2014: forced to resign due to TacoGate

46. Jim McClure (Republican) 2014-2017
47. Hillary Clinton (Democrat) 2017-2021
2016: defeats Jim McClure (Republican, incumbent)
48. Donald S. Orlando (Republican) 2021-2029
2020: defeated Hillary Clinton (Democrat, incumbent)
2024: defeated Micheal J. Hoffman (Democrat)



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The POD is John McCain enjoying more success in the 2000 Republican primaries to make it a neck and neck race heading into spring. The two timelines diverge in the last few contests leading up to the convention in Philadelphia.

In the first list, the 2000 Republican primaries is much like 1976. With the primary results all but tied at the end, George W. Bush is selected at the convention in a smoke filled room, and McCain only begrudgingly endorses him. Bush proceeds to blow a winnable election against Al Gore. The DUI is leaked earlier and comes up often.

In the second list, the 2000 Republican primaries is the same way until some of the last few contests go Bush's way, allowing him to win without a smoke filled room. It's close, but McCain acknowledges Bush as the rightful winner well before the convention. However, Bush still loses against Gore, marginally closer than the first list.

In both lists, Al Gore is assassinated by a Radical Islamic Terrorist in early 2003. President Lieberman ascends to the office and immediately goes to war. His opponent in 2004 is Billy Graham, who runs a campaign mostly focused on opposition to abortion, and easily wins a full term as everyone expects. However the public slowly becomes war weary, 2006 sees progressives and Republicans defeat his neoliberal Democratic allies in Congress, and he faces a primary challenge from Barack Obama when he runs for a second full term. He wins against Obama easily enough but few are surprised when he is defeated in the 2008 General Election.

In the first list, John McCain runs and wins the primary in a similar matter to OTL 2008, and wins easily enough. He is well respected by the military, viewed as more respectful to ordinary foot soldiers than Lieberman. He makes a show of balancing his moderately neoconservative ideology with the concerns of "gold star families". In general, he sees that public attitude is against further military commitments, so he withdraws when he feels he can without sacrificing stability. He still keeps the US on a hawkish foreign policy, but he cultivates an image as a pragmatic administrator and his approvals among Democrats are above water. His popularity makes the 2012 election fairly easy for him to win. However, he suffers from health problems and is diagnosed with cancer earlier than OTL and resigns in late 2014 amid great sympathy. His VP, the first Asian-American to become president, runs a mediocre campaign and is brought low by partisan fatigue against Hillary Clinton in 2016.

In the second list, George W. Bush wins against John McCain in a matter like OTL 2000, much easier than ITTL 2000. Bush runs against Lieberman's policies, winning some more conservative doves that wouldn't have voted McCain and losing some hawks that would have. Once in charge though he largely continues military intervention abroad with a new, capital C Conservative face. The 2012 is more competitive and polarized than the first list, but Bush still wins. Bush is perfectly healthy in 2014, however his presidency is poisoned beyond repair by the amusingly named TacoGate with less than amusing dark connections to shady billionaires. His VP does his best to survive but is defeated by Hillary in 2016.

In both lists, Hillary wins due largely to partisan fatigue. Hillary is polarizing however, and the 2018 midterms are very ugly. In 2020 she is challenged by a right wing populist who ran against the establishment and the "swamp", including against Republican moderates, and he wins in a major upset.

In 2024 President Orlando is challenged by neoliberal darling Micheal J. Hoffman. This is where the lists diverge: President Orlando is defeated by Hoffman in the first list as McCain-Hoffman voters are found in droves in the suburbs of Atlanta, Charlotte, and other cities in both red and blue states. In the second list however, Orlando's stand against "corruption within and without his own party" in the face of lower public trust in public institutions works in his favor against Democrats trying to win Republican suburban voters. Nobody really wants Bush back.
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« Reply #1047 on: December 19, 2020, 10:11:28 AM »

Powell runs in 1996 and wins

42. Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Al Gore (D-TN) [1993-1997]
1992 : def. President George H. W. Bush (R-TX)/Vice President Dan Quayle (R-IN) and Businessman Ross Perot (I-TX)/Retired Admiral James Stockdale (I-CA)

43. Colin Powell (R-VA)/Jack Kemp (R-NY)*/Christine Todd Whitman (R-NJ)** [1997-2005]
1996 : def. President Bill Clinton (D-AR)/Vice President Al Gore (D-TN), Businessman Ross Perot (Ref-TX)/Economist Pat Choate (Ref-DC), and  Former White House Communications Director Pat Buchanan (I-VA)/Activist Ezola B. Foster (I-CA)

2000 : Former Vice President Al Gore (D-TN)/Senator Joe Lieberman (D-CT)

44. Jim Hodges (D-SC)/Joe Biden (D-DE) [2005-2009]
2004 : def. Former Secretary of State Richard Lugar (R-IN)/Senator John Ashcroft (R-MO)

45. Mike Huckabee (R-AR)/Sarah Palin (R-AK) [2009-2017]
2008 : def. President Jim Hodges (D-SC)/Vice President Joe Biden (D-DE)
2012 : Former Vice President Joe Biden (D-DE)/Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY)

46. Bill Nelson (D-FL)/Mark Warner (D-VA) [2017-2021]
2016 : Vice President Sarah Palin (R-AK)/Senator Mike Pence (R-IN)

47. Mary Fallin (R-OK)/Alveda King (R-GA)
2020 : President Bill Nelson (D-FL)/Vice President (D-VA)

*- Retired in 2002 due to failing health.
**- Replaced Kemp as Vice President for the last three years of Powell's administration.
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« Reply #1048 on: January 16, 2021, 01:12:25 PM »

45. Donald John Trump (Republican, 2017-2021)*
46. Michael Richard Pence (Republican, 2021) +
47. Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr. (Democrat, 2021-2025)
48. Kamala Devi Harris (Democrat, 2025-2029)
49. Benjamin Eric Sasse (Conservative, 2029-2037)
50. Marco Antonio Rubio (Conservative, 2037-2041)
51. Jessica Cisneros (Progressive, 2041-2049)
52. David Madison Cawthorn (Republican, 2049-2051)*
53. Jacob Andrew Joseph LaTurner (Republican, 2051-2053) +

* - Impeached, Convicted, and Removed from Office
+ - Assumed Office Following Impeachment
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« Reply #1049 on: January 16, 2021, 10:05:11 PM »

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
45. Donald John Trump (Republican, New York) 2017–2019 *
—. Nancy Patricia Pelosi (Democratic, California) 2019–2021 §
—. Willard Mitt Romney (Independent, Utah) 2021–2025 §
46. Kamala Harris (Democratic, California) 2025–2029
—. Bradford Jay Raffensperger (Independent, Georgia) 2029–2033 §
47. Joshua David Hawley (Workers', Missouri) 2033–2045 †

* Resigned
§ Elected speaker of the House of Representatives, acting president under the Presidential Succession Act of 1947
† Died in office (suicide)
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