List of Alternate Presidents 2.0.

[Left Wing]

41. Michael Dukakis/Lloyd Bentsen 1989-1997
def. George H.W Bush/ Dan Quayle
def. Bob Dole/Caroll Campbell
42. George W. Bush/John Danforth 1997-2005
def. Lloyd Bentsen/John Kerry
def. John Kerry/Bob Graham
43. John Danforth/Tom Ridge 2005-2009
def. John Edwards/Tom Vilsack
44. Evan Bayh/Kathleen Sebelius 2009-2017
def. John Danforth/Tom Ridge
def. Jeb Bush/Mitch Daniels
45. Kathleen Sebelius/Xavier Berreca
def. Rick Scott/Scott Brown

[Pyro]

Our Long National Nightmare
Ford Defeats Carter Timeline from 2018 (Unfinished)

List of Presidents

38. Gerald R. Ford / Robert J. Dole  (Republican): 1974-1981
Def. 1976: Jimmy Carter / Walter F. Mondale (Democratic),

39. Edward M. Kennedy / Henry M. Jackson (Democratic): 1981-1983 [1]
     Edward M. Kennedy / Vacant: 1983
     Edward M. Kennedy / Lloyd M. Bentsen: 1983-1989 [2]
Def. 1980: John B. Anderson / Paul D. Laxalt (Republican)
Def. 1984: John J. Heinz III / Jack F. Kemp (Republican)

40. Patrick J. Buchanan / Caspar W. Weinberger (Republican): 1989 [3] [4]
Def. 1988: Lloyd M. Bentsen / Michael S. Dukakis (Democratic), Pete B. Wilson / John Ashcroft (Independent Republican)

41. Caspar W. Weinberger / Vacant (Republican): 1989
     Caspar W. Weinberger / Steve D. Symms: 1989-1997 [5]
Def. 1992 Jesse L. Jackson / Thomas A. Daschle (Democratic), Henry Ross Perot / Steve Forbes (Independent)

42. Ann W. Richards / Mario M. Cuomo (Democratic): 1997-2005 [6] [7]
Def. 1996 Steve D. Symms / Tommy G. Thompson (Republican), Arlen Specter / Richard G. Lugar (Reform League)
Def. 2000 Newton L. Gingrich / Phil P. Gramm (Republican), John S. McCain / Frank Murkowski (Reform League)

43. Russ D. Feingold / Carol M. Braun (Democratic): 2005 [8]
Def. 2004 Willard M. Romney / Orrin Hatch (Republican-Reform)

44. Richard B. Cheney / Vacant (Republican): 2005 [9]
     Richard B. Cheney / Paul D. Wolfowitz: 2005-2013 [10] [11] [12]
Def. 2008 Wesley K. Clark, Sr. / Joseph R. Biden (Democratic)

45. Bernard Sanders / Elizabeth A. Warren (Progressive Alliance): 2013-2021 [13]
Def. 2012 Michael D. Huckabee / Duncan Hunter (Republican), Evan Bayh / Edward T. O'Donnell (Liberal Democratic)
Def. 2016 Charles E. Roemer / John R. Kasich (Republican), Rahm I. Emanuel / Michael Bloomberg (Liberal Democratic)

[1] = Vice Pres. Henry "Scoop" Jackson died in office in 1983.
[2] = Pres. Ted Kennedy is re-elected in 1984, yet only wins 47% of the Popular Vote (Down from 50.9% in 1980).
[3] = Gov. Pat Buchanan wins the Electoral Vote, loses the Popular Vote by 1.3% to Vice Pres. Lloyd Bentsen.
[4] = Pres. Pat Buchanan is assassinated 62 days into his term.
[5] = Pres. Cap Weinberger is impeached in 1994 for charges related to funding anti-Communist rebel operatives in Ukrainian SSR. The Senate acquits.
[6] = Gov. Ann Richards wins an electoral landslide in 1996; the greatest Democratic performance since 1964.
[7] = Vice Pres. Mario Cuomo briefly serves as Acting President as Pres. Richards undergoes chemotherapy treatment from December 2004 to January 2005.
[8] = Pres. Russ Feingold and Vice Pres. Carol Braun are killed in a terrorist attack on Inauguration Day.
[9] = House Speaker Richard "Dick" Cheney is sworn in as President in 2005. Declares War on Terror.
[10] = Pres. Cheney loses Popular Vote by 4.3%. He is the disputed winner of Texas' 34 Electoral Votes.
[11] = Economic collapse in 2007-2008 lingers as Pres. Cheney vetoes stimulus legislation passed by Democratic Congress.
[12] = Vice Pres. Paul Wolfowitz briefly serves as Acting President as Pres. Cheney undergoes heart transplant surgery in March of 2012.
[13] = Sen. Bernard Sanders wins 3-way race with a plurality in the Popular Vote as the Democratic Party splinters. He wins a Popular Vote majority in 2016.

[dw93]

Making America "Great" Again... In 1968:

37. Ronald Reagan / John Tower (Republican): 1969-1973
Def. 1968: Hubert Humphrey / Edmund Muskie (Democratic), George Wallace / Curtis LeMay (American Independent)
38. Ted Kennedy / Fred Harris (Democratic): 1973-1977*
Def. 1972: Ronald Reagan / John Tower (Republican)
39. Nelson Rockefeller / Bob Dole (Republican): 1977-1978**
Def. 1976: Fred Harris / Henry "Scoop" Jackson (Democratic), Eugene McCarthy / George McGovern (Independent)
40. Bob Dole / Vacant (Republican): 1978
40. Bob Dole / Kit Bond (Republican): 1978-1981
41. Edmund Muskie / John Glenn (Democratic): 1981-1989
Def. 1980: Bob Dole / Kit Bond (Republican)
Def. 1984: Kit Bond / Pete du Pont (Republican)
42. Howard Baker / Jim Thompson (Republican): 1989-1993
Def. 1988: John Glenn / Bill Clinton (Democratic)
43. Mario Cuomo / Dick Gephardt (Democratic): 1993-2001
Def. 1992: Howard Baker / Jim Thompson (Republican)
Def. 1996: Newt Gingrich / Tommy Thompson (Republican),, Lowell Weicker / John Chafee (Independent)
44. Dick Gephardt / Bob Graham (Democratic): 2001-2009
Def. 2000: Jeb Bush / Richard Lugar (Republican)
Def. 2004: John McCain / George Allen (Republican)
45. Mitt Romney / John Thune (Republican): 2009-2017
Def. 2008: John Kerry / Blanche Lincoln (Democratic)
Def. 2012: Brian Schweitzer / Martin O'Malley (Democratic)
46. John F. Kennedy Jr. / Julian Castro (Democratic): 2017-2021
Def. 2016: John Thune / Ted Cruz (Democratic)
47. John Kasich / Tim Scott (Republican): 2021-Incumbent
Def. 2020: John F. Kennedy Jr. / Julian Castro (Democratic)

*=President Kennedy declined to seek another term in 1976 citing family matters
**= President Rockefeller died of a heart attack July 5th, 1978 at the White House

Where the Presidents since 1969 rank out of 46 Presidents in C-Span's 2021 Survey:
37. Ronald Reagan: 29/46
38. Ted Kennedy: 25/46
39. Nelson Rockefeller: 26/46
40. Bob Dole: 33/46
41. Edmund Muskie: 11/46
42. Howard Baker: 16/46
43. Mario Cuomo: 14/46
44. Dick Gephardt: 22/46
45. Mitt Romney: 18/46
46. John F. Kennedy Jr.: 27/46

[Joe Biden 2024]

Carter as Hayes

39. Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale 1977-1981
40. Peter Rodino/Tom Bradley 1981
41. Tom Bradley/vacant 1981-1985
42. George Deukmejian/Kit Bond 1985, vacant 1985-1989
43. Chuck Robb/Dick Gephardt 1989-1993
44. George Deukmejian/Jack Kemp 1993-1997
45. Mario Cuomo/Kurt Schmoke 1997-1999, vacant 1999, Gray Davis 1999-2001
46. Gray Davis/vacant 2001, Russ Feingold 2001-2009
47. Wesley Clark/Chet Edwards 2009-2012, vacant 2012-2013
48. Mitch Daniels/Chris Christie 2013-2021
49. Andrew Gillum/Ralph Northam 2021-2023
50. Ralph Northam/vacant 2023, Susan Rice 2023-2029

Losing Tickets

1976: Ronald Reagan/Kit Bond
1980: Alexander Haig/Phil Crane
1984: Edmund Muskie/Lloyd Bentsen
1988: George Deukmejian/H. John Heinz III
1992: Chuck Robb/Richard Holbrooke
1996: Bob Dornan/Steve Forbes
2000: Bob Dornan/Jack Kemp
2004: Rudy Giuliani/Ted Stevens
2008: Bob Dornan/George Allen
2012: Wesley Clark/Antonio Villaraigosa, Grey Davis/Deval Patrick
2016: Joe Sestak/Russ Feingold
2020: Rick Scott/Jon Huntsman
2024: Kay Bailey Hutchison/Kevin Faulconer

[brucejoel99]

40. Ronald Reagan/George H.W. Bush 1981-1989
41. Michael Dukakis/Lloyd Bentsen 1989-1993
42. Bob Dole/Jack Kemp 1993-2001
43. Ed Markey/Al Gore 2001-2009
44. Al Gore/Evan Bayh 2009-2013
45. Sarah Palin/Newt Gingrich 2013-present

[Left Wing]

Cllinton as FDR:
42. BillClinton/Tom Foley 1993-2001
42. Bill Clinton/Dan Glickman 2001-2005
42. Bill Clinton/Mel Carnahan 2005
43. Mel Carnahan/vacant 2005-2009
43. Mel Carnahan/Daniel Mongiardo 2009-2013
44. Wesley Clark/Carly Fiorina 2013-present

[Ferguson97]

Cllinton as FDR:
42. BillClinton/Tom Foley 1993-2001
42. Bill Clinton/Dan Glickman 2001-2005
42. Bill Clinton/Mel Carnahan 2005
43. Mel Carnahan/vacant 2005-2009
43. Mel Carnahan/Daniel Mongiardo 2009-2013
44. Wesley Clark/Carly Fiorina 2013-present

Can't wait for Fiorina 2029-2034 and Watergate 2.0

[dw93]

A Two Termin' Peanut Farmer:

39. Jimmy Carter / Walter Mondale (Democratic): 1977-1985
Def. 1976: Gerald Ford / Bob Dole: (Republican)
Def. 1980: Ronald Reagan / George Bush (Republican), John Anderson / Patrick Lucy (Independent)
40. Walter Mondale / Gary Hart (Democratic): 1985-1989*
Def. 1984: Howard Baker / Pete du Pont (Republican)
40. Walter Mondale / Dale Bumpers (Democratic): 1989-1993
Def. 1988: Bob Dole / Lamar Alexander (Republican)
41. Carroll Campbell / Pete Wilson (Republican): 1993-2000**
Def. 1992: Dale Bumpers / Bob Casey (Democratic)
Def. 1996: Evan Bayh / Sam Nunn (Democratic)
42. Pete Wilson / Vacant (Republican): 2000
42. Pete Wilson / John Kasich (Republican): 2000-2005
Def. 2000: Paul Wellstone / Bill Bradley (Democratic)
43. Joe Biden / Gary Locke (Democratic): 2005-2009
Def. 2004: Pete Wilson / John Kasich (Republican)
44. John Kasich / Olympia Snowe (Republican): 2009-2017
Def. 2008: Joe Biden / Gary Locke (Democratic)
Def. 2012: Barack Obama / Mark Warner (Democratic)
45. Paul Ryan / Jon Huntsman (Republican): 2017-2021
Def. 2016: John Hickenlooper / Al Franken (Democratic)
46. Steve Bullock / Tammy Baldwin (Democratic): 2021-Incumbent
Def. 2020: Paul Ryan / Jon Huntsman (Republican)
Def. 2024: Jon Huntsman / Rick Scott (Republican)

*= VP Hart declined to seek another term as VP in 1988 due to Scandal
**= President Campbell Resigned after being diagnosed with Alzheimer's Disease in March of 2000.

[MadmanMotley]

38. Gerald Ford (R-MI)/Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY), Howard Baker (R-TN) 1974-1981
39. Ted Kennedy (D-MA)/Gary Hart (D-CO) 1981-1985
40. Larry Pressler (R-SD)/Ronald Reagan (R-CA) 31985-199
41. Bill Bradley (D-NJ)/Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX) 1993-2001
42. Bill Weld (R-MA)/Fred Thompson (R-TN) 2001-2009
43. John Edwards (D-NC)/Hillary Clinton (D-NY) 2009-2011
44. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/Barack Obama (D-IL) 2011-2013
45. Mitch Daniels (R-IN)/Marco Rubio (R-FL) 2013-2021
46. Barack Obama (D-IL)/Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) 2021-2029

[McGarnagle]

Dewey defeats Truman

1948 - Dewey/Warren (R) defeats Truman/Barkley (D)
1952 - Stevenson/Kefauver (D) defeats Dewey/Warren (R)
1956 - Stevenson/Kefauver (D) defeats Warren/Stassen (R)
1960 - Nixon/Lodge (R) defeats Kefauver/Symington (D)
1964 - Johnson/Kennedy (D) defeats Nixon/Lodge (R)
1968 - Kennedy/Humphrey (D) defeats Goldwater/Miller (R)
1972 - Reagan/Dole (R) defeats Humphrey/Muskie (D)
1976 - Reagan/Dole (R) defeats Muskie/Carter (D)
1980 - Kennedy/Mondale (D) defeats Dole/Bush (R)
1984 - Kennedy/Mondale (D) defeats Laxalt/Baker (R)
1988 - Mondale/Bentsen (D) defeats Lugar/Gramm (R)
1992 - Wilson/Alexander (R) defeats Mondale/Bentsen (D)
1996 - Gore/Clinton (D) defeats Wilson/Alexander (R)
2000 - Gore/Clinton (D) defeats Bush/Cheney (R)
2004 - McCain/Ridge (R) defeats Clinton/Edwards (D)
2008 - Kerry/Richardson (D) defeats McCain/Ridge (R)
2012 - Romney/Ryan (R) defeats Kerry/Richardson (D)
2016 - Obama/Warren (D) defeats Romney/Ryan (R)
2020 - Obama/Warren (D) defeats Paul/Pence (R)

33 - President Harry S. Truman (D-MO)
April 12, 1945 - January 20, 1949

34 - President Thomas E. Dewey (R-NY)
January 20, 1949 - January 20, 1953

35 - President Adlai Stevenson II
January 20, 1953 - January 20, 1961

36 - President Richard Nixon (R-CA)
January 20, 1961 - January 20, 1965

37 - President Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX)
January 20, 1965 - June 6, 1966**

President Johnson is assassinated while giving a speech in Boston on June 6, 1966. He is succeeded by Vice President Kennedy.

38 - President John F. Kennedy (D-MA)
June 6, 1966 - January 20, 1973

39 - President Ronald Reagan (R-CA)
January 20, 1973 - January 20, 1981

40 - President Ted Kennedy (D-MA)
January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1989

41 - President Walter Mondale (D-MN)
January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1993

42 - President Pete Wilson (R-CA)
January 20, 1993 - January 20, 1997

43 - President Al Gore (D-TN)
January 20, 1997 - January 20, 2005

44 - President John McCain
January 20, 2005 - January 20, 2009

45 - President John Kerry
January 20, 2009 - January 20, 2013

46 - President Mitt Romney (R-MA)
January 20, 2013 - January 20, 2017

47 - President Barack Obama (D-IL)
January 20, 2017 - January 20, 2025

[😥]

37. Hubert Humphrey (D-MN)/Edmund Muskie (D-ME) 1969-1977
38. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)*/George Romney (R-MI) 1977-1979
39. George Romney (R-MI)/John Anderson (R-IL) 1979-1989
40. Al Gore (D-TN)/Bob Graham (D-FL) 1989-1997
41. Bob Graham (D-FL)/Joe Biden (D-DE) 1997-2001
42. John McCain (R-AZ)/Christine Todd Whitman (R-NJ) 2001-2009
43. Joe Biden (D-DE)/Hillary Clinton (D-AR) 2009-2017
44. Hillary Clinton (D-AR)/John Bel Edwards (D-LA) 2017-2025
45. Phil Scott (R-VT)/Brian Sandoval (R-NV) 2025-2033
46. John Bel Edwards (D-LA)/Conor Lamb (D-PA) 2033-2041

*died

[dw93]

Dukakis in 88, Deukmejian in 92, and Beyond:

41. Michael Dukakis / Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic): 1989-1993
42. George Deukmejian / John Danforth (Republican): 1993-2001
43. John Kerry / Bob Graham (Democratic): 2001-2005
44. Fred Thompson / Chuck Hagel (Republican): 2005-2009
45. Barack Obama / Ed Rendell (Democratic): 2009-2017
46. Chris Christie / John Cornyn (Republican): 2017-2021
47. Sherrod Brown / Tammy Baldwin (Democratic): 2021-Incumbent

Defeated Tickets:

1988: George Bush / Dan Quayle (Republican)
1992: Michael Dukakis / Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic)
1996: Bill Clinton / Lee Hamilton (Democratic)
2000: Newt Gingrich / Richard Lugar (Republican)
2004: John Kerry / Bob Graham (Democratic)
2008: Fred Thompson / Chuck Hagel (Republican)
2012: Tim Pawlenty / Bill Frist (Republican)
2016: Joe Biden / Deval Patrick (Democratic)
2020: Chris Christie / John Cornyn (Republican)
2024: Nikki Haley / Scott Walker (Republican)

[Octowakandi]

The Problem With Populism

1913-1921: Woodrow Wilson / Thomas Marshall (Democratic)
1912: Theodore Roosevelt / Hiram Johnson (Progressive), William Taft / Nicholas Butler (Republican)
1916: Charles Hughes / Charles Fairbanks (Republican)
1921-1929: Theodore Roosevelt / Charles Curtis (Republican) [1]
1920: James Cox / Franklin Roosevelt (Democratic), James "Pa" Ferguson / William Hough (American)
1924: William McAdoo / Charles Bryan (Democratic), James "Pa" Ferguson / scattered ("Wet" Democratic) [2]
1929-1933: Hiram Johnson / Hiram Bingham (Republican) [3]​​
1928: Thomas Walsh / James Reed (Democratic) [4]
1933-1935: Huey Long / Miriam "Ma" Ferguson (Democratic) [5]
1932: Theodore Roosevelt Jr. / James Rolph (Republican), Henry Breckenridge / John Davis ("Bryanite" Democratic), Hiram Johnson / Smedley Butler (Progressive)
1935-1937: Miriam "Ma" Ferguson / VACANT (Democratic) [6]
1937-1941: Miriam "Ma" Ferguson / Paul McNutt (Democratic) [7]
1936: William Borah / Hamilton Fish III (Republican), William "Alfalfa Bill" Murray / Coleman Blease ("Mad as Hell" Democratic)
1941-XXXX: Quentin Roosevelt / Herbert Hoover (Republican)[/color] [8]
1940: James Byrnes / James Farley ("Clean" Democratic), James "Pa" Ferguson / Simon Buckner Jr (Democratic)

[1] The old Bull Moose himself is nominated easily as the Republican nominee from President. He had spent the last decade out of power stirring up support for the war (and then condemning Wilson for a bad deal) but decided against a safari trip overseas, deciding he needed a little more time to recover from the bullet wound from campaigning in 1912. With his sons Ted, Archie, Kermit, and Quentin all having returned safely from the war, TR was ready for his last political rodeo. While he may have had to dial back some of his 1912 promises, he easily crushed Cox in the national wave and immediately began governing as a moderate progressive but with his characteristic energy that would frequently irritate the Old Guard Republicans. Even when his Secretary of Interior and former Rough Rider, Albert Fall, and the ensuing scandal did little to hurt his popularity once the people realized it was merely Fall who was corrupt as opposed to Attorney General Beveridge. Recognizing that much of the progressive gains he made may be in danger in an open nomination (and also remembering his great mistake of leaving it to his successors) while the party realized LaFollette was just itching to run a splinter ticket, the old man would surprise the party by announcing another run for the Presidency which, despite some handwringing about norms by party bosses and newspaper editors, he would easily win.

[2] The Democrats, reeling from a 1920 landslide and a 1922 midterm that was not nearly as good as it should have been, were in a state of panic. Wilson's son-in-law and the former Treasury Secretary, William McAdoo, was the clear choice for the party. Despite a sizable uproar among northeastern bosses of the immigrant communities over McAdoo's unwillingness to condemn the Klan, the bosses found a lack of alternative options with their main base in New York still suffering under Governor Miller. While Senator Underwood made a spirited attempt, McAdoo would inevitably  take the nomination.

The events of 1924 certainly weren't set in stone, despite popular belief. Former Governor James Ferguson had ran the previous election to little fanfare or popularity. He had managed to improve his reputation out of power, so that a significant percentage of the people believed he was innocent and a victim of party politics as opposed to his own corruption and incompetence. Ferguson saw the discontent in the party not only with a Klan-backed candidate but also with a Prohibition supporter, the two pillars that he had fought the most as Governor. He decided the time was ripe (1920 had taught him the importance of timing) and now was ripe. He announced another run for President, not as the candidate of the vaguely named American Party, but directly as the "wet" and anti-Klan candidate. Voters who knew little of his history flocked to him as a populist boss who would keep the taps flowing and their communities unmolested.

[3] The Second TR term was uneventful as age battered down the Bull Moose. The larger fight was over his successor, one which TR shocked the party by backing his old running mate, Hiram Johnson. Johnson, a prominent Senator who was the face of the party's progressive faction, fought hard against the party bosses who opposed him and managed to win the nomination. TR passed away shortly after Johnson's ascendancy which was probably for the best as Johnson would prove to be a more inept President than anyone could have imagined. He took any disagreement as a personal attack. He spent massive amounts of time fighting over the most minor differences in policy. By the time the Depression hit, the party and the country was already exhausted. Little would they know...

[4] The incredibly unimpressive performance of the Walsh ticket and the ticket split of 1924 made it clear to the Democratic Party that they couldn't muddle through another election. This was the direct result of the primary voting system for nomination, a system designed to make the party of Jackson and Bryan truly the party of the masses by putting the voting power into their hands. Little would they know...

[5] As the Johnson administration imploded in on itself culminating in the man losing renomination and his announcement of reviving the Progressive Party banner (not even the diehard progressives were convinced by this), the Democratic Party would have liked to have a nice peaceful nomination process, putting forth an inoffensive popular nominee. Instead, the newly established primary process meant that perfectly acceptable candidates like Albert Ritchie or Speaker Garner was completely over mad populists like the newly elected Senator James Ferguson (thanks to his wife, Governor "Ma" Ferguson, having completely stacked the state political system in the family's image) and the yeoman Governor "Alfalfa" Bill Murray who promised bread, butter, bacons, and beans as well as blaming minorities. The nature of the delegate system being new to everyone meant that the other candidates were cornered out as Ferguson and Murray fought to a standstill, leading to neither having enough delegates. A negotiation was required for the two candidates, and ultimately, they would settle on Murray's pick, Governor Huey Long, paired with "Ma" Ferguson ("Pa" being deemed too controversial to risk). Despite an astroturfed alternative Democratic ticket claiming to represent the true values of the party and not this rabble, Long would easily win the election.

[6] The assassination of Long by a mad anarchist who didn't realize it wasn't 19th century anymore would fundamentally change the direction of the nation, so much so that Long is to this day remembered in hagiographic terms in relation to his successor. Ferguson as President would prove to be monstrously corrupt, stacking the halls of Washington DC with Ferguson cronies. The massive Long-era infrastructure project money would disappear into Ferguson-affiliated companies which did little to stimulate the economy. And "Pa" Ferguson himself would find himself in the White House as the new Secretary of State where he wined and dined across the world with Chamberlain, Mussolini, and Schleicher. The Ferugsons' promising to continue to keep the poor farmers and working class afloat kept enough voters loyal to the Fergusons that few party leaders dared to oppose them beyond begging Ma to not step down for Pa. Ma herself was more ambitious and savvy than given credit for, recognizing that stepping aside for her husband may lead to their very demise. She simply picked a popular governor and won her reelection despite an energetic splinter campaign by Alfalfa Bill.

[7] To say that the Fergusons' control over the party collapsed when Pa made his move to take the nomination for himself is inaccurate. Already, the grounds for their fall were set with the revival of the Republican Party in the midterms that saw the rise of Speaker Snell as the memory the Johnsonvilles faded. Oversight committees under Snell's gavel started figuring out just how much money was embezzled, just how much corruption was present started tearing down the Ferguson Legend. By the time Pa ran for the nomination, the bosses and officials had realized both that it would be electoral suicide as well as the people were starting to get sick of the First Family. With the shocking results of the Kentucky primary, the Fergusons went into emergency mode, calling in every favor they had, and ultimately, in their desperation, increasing the power of delegates. The nomination was theirs, but the damage was done. More and more, their empire collapsed as, for the first time since Ferguson's 1924 run, the Democratic Party faced a competent splinter ticket under the conservative but inoffensive southerner Governor Byrnes allied with the Boston machine boss Senator Farley.

[8] In the end, it was enough. The strength of the splinter ticket and the Republican nomination of the son of the man many regarded as the greatest Republican President since Lincoln, a man who had proven himself in the fields of France where his bravery saved dozens of comrades and won him a Medal of Honor, a Governor who fought Tammany Hall to a standstill. If any man looks like he can lead America to an era of normality as well as navigate the hazardous waters of a Eurasia in flames, it must be Quentin Roosevelt, President-Elect of the United States.

[Joe Biden 2024]

Obama as Wilson

44. Barack Obama/Ed Rendell 2009-2017
45. Chris Christie/Scott Walker 2017-2019
46. Scott Walker/vacant 2019, Michael Bloomberg 2019-2025
47. David Petraeus/John Thune 2025-2029

Losing Tickets

2008: John McCain/Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney/Charlie Crist
2012: Jon Huntsman/Dick Cheney
2016: Cory Booker/Joseph P. Kennedy III
2020: Susan Rice/Andrew Cuomo
2024: Jay Gonzalez/Michael Bennet

[MillennialModerate]

Making America "Great" Again... In 1968:

37. Ronald Reagan / John Tower (Republican): 1969-1973
Def. 1968: Hubert Humphrey / Edmund Muskie (Democratic), George Wallace / Curtis LeMay (American Independent)
38. Ted Kennedy / Fred Harris (Democratic): 1973-1977*
Def. 1972: Ronald Reagan / John Tower (Republican)
39. Nelson Rockefeller / Bob Dole (Republican): 1977-1978**
Def. 1976: Fred Harris / Henry "Scoop" Jackson (Democratic), Eugene McCarthy / George McGovern (Independent)
40. Bob Dole / Vacant (Republican): 1978
40. Bob Dole / Kit Bond (Republican): 1978-1981
41. Edmund Muskie / John Glenn (Democratic): 1981-1989
Def. 1980: Bob Dole / Kit Bond (Republican)
Def. 1984: Kit Bond / Pete du Pont (Republican)
42. Howard Baker / Jim Thompson (Republican): 1989-1993
Def. 1988: John Glenn / Bill Clinton (Democratic)
43. Mario Cuomo / Dick Gephardt (Democratic): 1993-2001
Def. 1992: Howard Baker / Jim Thompson (Republican)
Def. 1996: Newt Gingrich / Tommy Thompson (Republican),, Lowell Weicker / John Chafee (Independent)
44. Dick Gephardt / Bob Graham (Democratic): 2001-2009
Def. 2000: Jeb Bush / Richard Lugar (Republican)
Def. 2004: John McCain / George Allen (Republican)
45. Mitt Romney / John Thune (Republican): 2009-2017
Def. 2008: John Kerry / Blanche Lincoln (Democratic)
Def. 2012: Brian Schweitzer / Martin O'Malley (Democratic)
46. John F. Kennedy Jr. / Julian Castro (Democratic): 2017-2021
Def. 2016: John Thune / Ted Cruz (Democratic)
47. John Kasich / Tim Scott (Republican): 2021-Incumbent
Def. 2020: John F. Kennedy Jr. / Julian Castro (Democratic)

*=President Kennedy declined to seek another term in 1976 citing family matters
**= President Rockefeller died of a heart attack July 5th, 1978 at the White House

Where the Presidents since 1969 rank out of 46 Presidents in C-Span's 2021 Survey:
37. Ronald Reagan: 29/46
38. Ted Kennedy: 25/46
39. Nelson Rockefeller: 26/46
40. Bob Dole: 33/46
41. Edmund Muskie: 11/46
42. Howard Baker: 16/46
43. Mario Cuomo: 14/46
44. Dick Gephardt: 22/46
45. Mitt Romney: 18/46
46. John F. Kennedy Jr. 27/46

Two weeks ago Massachusetts showed itself to be woefully inept at choosing correct canidates so it’s not impossible but i fail to see even the most far fetched scenario that would see JFK JR lose anything other than the bar exam

[dw93]

Making America "Great" Again... In 1968:

37. Ronald Reagan / John Tower (Republican): 1969-1973
Def. 1968: Hubert Humphrey / Edmund Muskie (Democratic), George Wallace / Curtis LeMay (American Independent)
38. Ted Kennedy / Fred Harris (Democratic): 1973-1977*
Def. 1972: Ronald Reagan / John Tower (Republican)
39. Nelson Rockefeller / Bob Dole (Republican): 1977-1978**
Def. 1976: Fred Harris / Henry "Scoop" Jackson (Democratic), Eugene McCarthy / George McGovern (Independent)
40. Bob Dole / Vacant (Republican): 1978
40. Bob Dole / Kit Bond (Republican): 1978-1981
41. Edmund Muskie / John Glenn (Democratic): 1981-1989
Def. 1980: Bob Dole / Kit Bond (Republican)
Def. 1984: Kit Bond / Pete du Pont (Republican)
42. Howard Baker / Jim Thompson (Republican): 1989-1993
Def. 1988: John Glenn / Bill Clinton (Democratic)
43. Mario Cuomo / Dick Gephardt (Democratic): 1993-2001
Def. 1992: Howard Baker / Jim Thompson (Republican)
Def. 1996: Newt Gingrich / Tommy Thompson (Republican),, Lowell Weicker / John Chafee (Independent)
44. Dick Gephardt / Bob Graham (Democratic): 2001-2009
Def. 2000: Jeb Bush / Richard Lugar (Republican)
Def. 2004: John McCain / George Allen (Republican)
45. Mitt Romney / John Thune (Republican): 2009-2017
Def. 2008: John Kerry / Blanche Lincoln (Democratic)
Def. 2012: Brian Schweitzer / Martin O'Malley (Democratic)
46. John F. Kennedy Jr. / Julian Castro (Democratic): 2017-2021
Def. 2016: John Thune / Ted Cruz (Democratic)
47. John Kasich / Tim Scott (Republican): 2021-Incumbent
Def. 2020: John F. Kennedy Jr. / Julian Castro (Democratic)

*=President Kennedy declined to seek another term in 1976 citing family matters
**= President Rockefeller died of a heart attack July 5th, 1978 at the White House

Where the Presidents since 1969 rank out of 46 Presidents in C-Span's 2021 Survey:
37. Ronald Reagan: 29/46
38. Ted Kennedy: 25/46
39. Nelson Rockefeller: 26/46
40. Bob Dole: 33/46
41. Edmund Muskie: 11/46
42. Howard Baker: 16/46
43. Mario Cuomo: 14/46
44. Dick Gephardt: 22/46
45. Mitt Romney: 18/46
46. John F. Kennedy Jr. 27/46

Two weeks ago Massachusetts showed itself to be woefully inept at choosing correct canidates so it’s not impossible but i fail to see even the most far fetched scenario that would see JFK JR lose anything other than the bar exam

He can lose if the events of his term are half as bad as our timeline.

[MillennialModerate]

Making America "Great" Again... In 1968:

37. Ronald Reagan / John Tower (Republican): 1969-1973
Def. 1968: Hubert Humphrey / Edmund Muskie (Democratic), George Wallace / Curtis LeMay (American Independent)
38. Ted Kennedy / Fred Harris (Democratic): 1973-1977*
Def. 1972: Ronald Reagan / John Tower (Republican)
39. Nelson Rockefeller / Bob Dole (Republican): 1977-1978**
Def. 1976: Fred Harris / Henry "Scoop" Jackson (Democratic), Eugene McCarthy / George McGovern (Independent)
40. Bob Dole / Vacant (Republican): 1978
40. Bob Dole / Kit Bond (Republican): 1978-1981
41. Edmund Muskie / John Glenn (Democratic): 1981-1989
Def. 1980: Bob Dole / Kit Bond (Republican)
Def. 1984: Kit Bond / Pete du Pont (Republican)
42. Howard Baker / Jim Thompson (Republican): 1989-1993
Def. 1988: John Glenn / Bill Clinton (Democratic)
43. Mario Cuomo / Dick Gephardt (Democratic): 1993-2001
Def. 1992: Howard Baker / Jim Thompson (Republican)
Def. 1996: Newt Gingrich / Tommy Thompson (Republican),, Lowell Weicker / John Chafee (Independent)
44. Dick Gephardt / Bob Graham (Democratic): 2001-2009
Def. 2000: Jeb Bush / Richard Lugar (Republican)
Def. 2004: John McCain / George Allen (Republican)
45. Mitt Romney / John Thune (Republican): 2009-2017
Def. 2008: John Kerry / Blanche Lincoln (Democratic)
Def. 2012: Brian Schweitzer / Martin O'Malley (Democratic)
46. John F. Kennedy Jr. / Julian Castro (Democratic): 2017-2021
Def. 2016: John Thune / Ted Cruz (Democratic)
47. John Kasich / Tim Scott (Republican): 2021-Incumbent
Def. 2020: John F. Kennedy Jr. / Julian Castro (Democratic)

*=President Kennedy declined to seek another term in 1976 citing family matters
**= President Rockefeller died of a heart attack July 5th, 1978 at the White House

Where the Presidents since 1969 rank out of 46 Presidents in C-Span's 2021 Survey:
37. Ronald Reagan: 29/46
38. Ted Kennedy: 25/46
39. Nelson Rockefeller: 26/46
40. Bob Dole: 33/46
41. Edmund Muskie: 11/46
42. Howard Baker: 16/46
43. Mario Cuomo: 14/46
44. Dick Gephardt: 22/46
45. Mitt Romney: 18/46
46. John F. Kennedy Jr. 27/46

Two weeks ago Massachusetts showed itself to be woefully inept at choosing correct canidates so it’s not impossible but i fail to see even the most far fetched scenario that would see JFK JR lose anything other than the bar exam

He can lose if the events of his term are half as bad as our timeline.

Pretty much everything bad over the last 4 years can be traced back to the Oompa Loompa in chief.

He has stocked the divisions, the racial riots, a horrendous response to the pandemic .. on and on

[bagelman]

Two weeks ago Massachusetts showed itself to be woefully inept at choosing correct canidates so it’s not impossible but i fail to see even the most far fetched scenario that would see JFK JR lose anything other than the bar exam

You know you're salty when you're complaining about JFK JR losing on this thread of all places. 

[LabourJersey]

A Most Reconstructed Union

1861-1865: Abraham Lincoln (R-IL)/Hannibal Hamlin (R-ME)
1865: Abraham Lincoln (R-IL)/Benjamin F. Butler (R-MA)
Def. 1864: George McClellan (D-NJ)/George Pendleton (D-OH)
1865-1869: Benjamin F. Butler (R-ME)/vacant
1869-1877: Ulysses S. Grant (R-OH)/Benjamin Wade (R-DC)
Def. 1868: George Pendleton (D-OH)/Horatio Seymour (D-NY)
Def. 1872: Horatio Seymour (D-NY)/Stephen J. Field (D-CA)
1877-1878: Benjamin Wade (R-OH)/Frederick T. Frelinghuysen (R-NJ)
Def. 1876: Winfield S. Hancock (D-PA)/William Allen (D-OH)
1878-1881: Frederick T. Frelinghuysen (R-NJ)/vacant
1881-1889: James G. Garfield (R-OH)/James G. Blaine (R-ME)
Def. 1880: Stephen J. Field (D-CA)/Thomas A. Hendricks (D-IN)
Def. 1884: William Rosecrans (D-IL)/Thomas F. Bayard (D-DE)/
1889-1897: Adlai Stevenson (D-IL)/John G. Carlisle (D-KY)
Def. 1888: James G. Blaine (R-ME)/Powell Clayton (R-AR)
Def. 1892: John A. J. Creswell (R-MD)/Benjamin Harrison (R-IN)
1897-1905: Robert T. Lincoln (R-IL)/Adelbert Ames (R-MS)
Def. 1896: John G. Carlisle (D-KY)/Grover Cleveland (D-NY)
Def. 1900: William R. Hearst (D-NY)/Joseph Blackburn (D-KY)

[dw93]

The Humphrey/Muskie Years and Beyond:

37. Hubert Humphrey / Edmund Muskie (Democratic): 1969-1973
38. Edmund Muskie / Fred Harris (Democratic): 1973-1977 [1]
39. Ronald Reagan / Donald Rumsfeld (Republican): 1977-1981
40. Ted Kennedy / John Glenn (Democratic): 1981-1989
41. John Glenn / Gary Hart (Democratic): 1989-1993
42. George Bush / Jack Kemp (Republican): 1993-2001
43. Jack Kemp / Elizabeth Dole (Republican): 2001-2005 [2]
44. John Edwards / Evan Bayh (Democratic): 2005-2009
45. Jeb Bush / Eric Cantor (Republican): 2009-2017
46. Barack Obama / Sherrod Brown (Democratic): 2017-2025

Defeated Tickets:
1968: Richard Nixon / Spiro Agnew (Republican), George Wallace / Curtis LeMay (American Independent)
1972: Nelson Rockefeller / John Tower (Republican), George Wallace / Ezra Taft Benson (American Independent)
1976: Edmund Muskie / Fred Harris (Democratic)
1980: Ronald Reagan / Donald Rumsfeld (Republican), John Anderson / Edward Brooke (Independent)
1984: Donald Rumsfeld / Paul Laxalt (Republican)
1988: Bob Dole / John Sununu (Republican)
1992: John Glenn / Gary Hart (Democratic)
1996: Bill Bradley / Douglas Wilder (Democratic)
2000: Paul Wellstone / Bob Graham (Democratic)
2004: Elizabeth Dole / John Engler (Republican)
2008: John Edwards / Evan Bayh (Democratic)
2012: Evan Bayh / Mary Landrieu (Demcratic)
2016: Mitt Romney / Paul Ryan (Republican)
2020: Eric Cantor / Marco Rubio (Republican), Donald Trump / Scott Brown (Nationalist)

[1]: President Humphrey declines to run again in 1972 due to complications from Bladder Cancer

[2]: President Kemp declines to run in 2004 citing a desire to retire from politics. It is later revealed however after Kemp's sudden death in mid 2005 that Kemp was diagnosed with cancer two years prior and was privately suffering from complications in the later half of his term.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
25. William McKinley (Republican, Ohio) 1897–1901 ‡
26. Theodore Roosevelt (Republican, New York) 1901–1913
27. Henry Cabot Lodge (Republican, Massachusetts) 1913–1921
28. Henry Ford (Democratic, Michigan) 1921–1929
29. William Gibbs McAdoo (Democratic, California) 1929–1933
30. Herbert Clark Hoover (Republican, California) 1933–1937
31. Huey Pierce Long (Union, Louisiana) 1937–1937 ‡
32. William Frederick Lemke (Union, North Dakota) 1937–1937 *
–. Smedley Darlington Butler (Military, Pennsylvania) 1937–1939 *

PRESIDENTS of the EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
1. Norman Mattoon Thomas (Farmer–Labor, New York) 1939–1954
2. Walter Philip Reuther (Farmer–Labor, Michigan) 1954–1959
3. Eugene Dennis (Communist, California) 1959–1961 †
4. Elizabeth Gurley Flynn (Communist, New York) 1961–1964
5. Clifton DeBerry (Socialist Workers, New York) 1964–1969
6. Arvo Kustaa Halberg (Communist, Minnesota) 1969–1979
7. Bayard Rustin (Social Democratic, New York) 1979–1984
8. Sonia Ann Johnson (Social Democratic, Idaho) 1984–1994
9. Ralph Nader (Progressive Democratic, Connecticut) 1994–2004
10. Mary Alice Herbert (Social Democratic, Vermont) 2004–2009
11. Brian Patrick Moore (Social Democratic, Florida) 2009–2014
12. Elizabeth Anne Warren (Progressive Democratic, Massachusetts) 2014–2019
13. Bernard Sanders (Non-alligned Left, Vermont) 2019–present

[President Johnson]

Many presidents dying in office

35. John F. Kennedy: January 20, 1961 - November 22, 1965
36. Lyndon B. Johnson: November 22, 1965 - August 14, 1971
37. Hubert H. Humphrey: August 14, 1971 - January 20, 1973
38. Nelson A. Rockefeller: January 20, 1973 - January 26, 1979
39. William Scranton: January 26, 1979 - January 20, 1981
40. Frank Church: January 20, 1981 - April 7, 1984
41. Reubin Askew: April 7, 1984 - January 20, 1989
42. John Tower: January 20, 1989 - April 5, 1991
43. John Sununu: April 5, 1991 - January 20, 1993
44. Paul Tsongas: January 20, 1993 - January 18, 1997
45. Lloyd Bentsen: January 18, 1997 - January 20, 1997
46. Lawton M. Chiles: January 20, 1997 - December 12, 1998
48. Melvin Canahan: December 12, 1998 - October 16, 2000
49. Howard Dean: October 16, 2000 - January 20, 2001
50. Richard B. Cheney: January 20, 2001 - September 11, 2001
51. Donald Rumsfeld: September 11, 2001 - January 20, 2005
52. John F. Kennedy Jr.: January 20, 2005 - May 15, 2010
53. Edward Rendell: May 15, 2010 - January 20, 2013
54. Fred Thompson: January 20, 2013 - November 1, 2015
55. Herman Cain: November 1, 2015 - July 30, 2020
56. Mike DeWine: July 30, 2020 - incumbent

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Every post-WWII assassination attempt succeeds.

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
32. Franklin Delano Roosevelt (Democratic, New York) 1933–1945 †
33. Harry S. Truman (Democratic, Missouri) 1945–1947 ‡
34. George Catlett Marshall (Unaffiliated, Pennsylvania) 1947–1950 ‡
35. Alben William Barkley (Democratic, Kentucky) 1950–1953
36. Dwight David Eisenhower (Republican, Kansas) 1953–1961
37. John Fitzgerald Kennedy (Democratic, Massachusetts) 1961–1963 ‡
38. Lyndon Baines Johnson (Democratic, Texas) 1963–1969
39. Richard Milhous Nixon (Republican, California) 1969–1972 ‡
40. Spiro Theodore Agnew (Republican, Maryland) 1972–1972 ‡
–. Carl Bert Albert (Democratic, Oklahoma) 1972–1973
41. Gerald Rudolph Ford (Republican, Michigan) 1973–1974 ‡
42. Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller (Republican, New York) 1974–1975 ‡
43. Donald Henry Rumsfeld (Republican, Illinois) 1975–1977 ‡
44. Robert Joseph Dole (Republican, Kansas) 1975–1977
45. James Earl Carter (Democratic, Georgia) 1977–1979 ‡
46. Walter Frederick Mondale (Democratic, Minnesota) 1979–1981
47. Ronald Wilson Reagan (Republican, California) 1981–1981 ‡
48. George Herbert Walker Bush (Republican, Texas) 1981–1989
49. Robert Joseph Dole (Republican, Kansas) 1989–1993
50. William Jefferson Clinton (Democratic, Arkansas) 1993–1994 ‡
51. Albert Arnold Gore (Democratic, Tennessee) 1994–1994 ‡
–. Thomas Stephen Foley (Democratic, Washington) 1994–1994 ‡
–. Robert Carlyle Byrd (Democratic, West Virginia) 1994–1996 ‡
52. Daniel Robert Graham (Democratic, Florida) 1996–2001
53. George Walker Bush (Republican, Texas) 2001–2005 ‡
54. Richard Bruce Cheney (Republican, Wyoming) 2005–2009
55. Barack Hussein Obama (Democratic, Illinois) 2009–2009 ‡
56. Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr. (Democratic, Delaware) 2009–2011 ‡
57. Birch Evans Bayh III (Democratic, Indiana) 2011–2013 ‡
58. Hillary Dianne Rodham Clinton (Democratic, New York) 2013–2017
59. Donald John Trump (Republican, New York) 2017–2017 ‡
60. Michael Richard Pence (Republican, Indiana) 2017–2018 ‡
61. Nimrata Nikki Randhawa Haley (Republican, South Carolina) 2018–2020 ‡
62. Dean Arthur Heller (Republican, Nevada) 2020–2020 ‡
–. Nancy Patricia D'Alesandro Pelosi (Democratic, California) 2020–present

[Ferguson97]

Every post-WWII assassination attempt succeeds.

PRESIDENTS of the UNITED STATES
32. Franklin Delano Roosevelt (Democratic, New York) 1933–1945 †
33. Harry S. Truman (Democratic, Missouri) 1945–1947 ‡
34. George Catlett Marshall (Unaffiliated, Pennsylvania) 1947–1950 ‡
35. Alben William Barkley (Democratic, Kentucky) 1950–1953
36. Dwight David Eisenhower (Republican, Kansas) 1953–1961
37. John Fitzgerald Kennedy (Democratic, Massachusetts) 1961–1963 ‡
38. Lyndon Baines Johnson (Democratic, Texas) 1963–1969
39. Richard Milhous Nixon (Republican, California) 1969–1972 ‡
40. Spiro Theodore Agnew (Republican, Maryland) 1972–1972 ‡
–. Carl Bert Albert (Democratic, Oklahoma) 1972–1973
41. Gerald Rudolph Ford (Republican, Michigan) 1973–1974 ‡
42. Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller (Republican, New York) 1974–1975 ‡
43. Donald Henry Rumsfeld (Republican, Illinois) 1975–1977 ‡
44. Robert Joseph Dole (Republican, Kansas) 1975–1977
45. James Earl Carter (Democratic, Georgia) 1977–1979 ‡
46. Walter Frederick Mondale (Democratic, Minnesota) 1979–1981
47. Ronald Wilson Reagan (Republican, California) 1981–1981 ‡
48. George Herbert Walker Bush (Republican, Texas) 1981–1989
49. Robert Joseph Dole (Republican, Kansas) 1989–1993
50. William Jefferson Clinton (Democratic, Arkansas) 1993–1994 ‡
51. Albert Arnold Gore (Democratic, Tennessee) 1994–1994 ‡
–. Thomas Stephen Foley (Democratic, Washington) 1994–1994 ‡
–. Robert Carlyle Byrd (Democratic, West Virginia) 1994–1996 ‡
52. Daniel Robert Graham (Democratic, Florida) 1996–2001
53. George Walker Bush (Republican, Texas) 2001–2005 ‡
54. Richard Bruce Cheney (Republican, Wyoming) 2005–2009
55. Barack Hussein Obama (Democratic, Illinois) 2009–2009 ‡
56. Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr. (Democratic, Delaware) 2009–2011 ‡
57. Birch Evans Bayh III (Democratic, Indiana) 2011–2013 ‡
58. Hillary Dianne Rodham Clinton (Democratic, New York) 2013–2017
59. Donald John Trump (Republican, New York) 2017–2017 ‡
60. Michael Richard Pence (Republican, Indiana) 2017–2018 ‡
61. Nimrata Nikki Randhawa Haley (Republican, South Carolina) 2018–2020 ‡
62. Dean Arthur Heller (Republican, Nevada) 2020–2020 ‡
–. Nancy Patricia D'Alesandro Pelosi (Democratic, California) 2020–present

Is this a world where the Secret Service employs Storm Troopers?

[GM Team Member and Senator WB]

GLENN!

Herbert Hoover: 1929-1937 (Republican)
Joseph P. Kennedy Sr.: 1937-1945 (Democrat)
Harry S. Truman: 1945-1949 (Democrat)
Thomas Dewey: 1949-1953 (Republican)
Dwight D. Eisenhower: 1953-1961 (Democratic-Republican)
Richard Nixon: 1961-1963* (Democratic-Republican)
John F. Kennedy: 1963-1963** (Democratic-Republican)
John McCormack: 1963-1965 (Democratic-Republican)
George Wallace: 1965-1967*** (New Progressive)
Curtis LeMay: 1967-1969 (New Progressive)
John Glenn: 1969- (Democratic-Republican)

*Resigned due to scandal involving wiretapping the NPP
**Assassinated by Guyanese Nationalist
***Impeached by newly-elected R-D controlled Congress after forcing segregation nationwide