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« Reply #275 on: December 19, 2018, 11:07:46 am »

Apparently, during his last speech, Michel tried to do some concessions to the left, with doing a lot of ambitious leftist proposals that stunned political analists in order to save his government. But it didn't help because the government falls. Snap elections aren't likely though, because the experts said that this is a government in current affairs, which is maybe a good thing, as elections in january (three elections in one year) would have a bit too much, and wouldn't have offered anything as it is very unlikely a government would have formed between january and may (as they would want to wait what the results would have been for regional elections).

The Flemish liberal chairwoman did sent a tweet where she explained (in different words) that she wasn't very happy with the concessions the prime minister offered to the left, so this once again proves that the Flemish liberals are more right-wing on economic issues than the MR.

So the government will just continue as a caretaker government until the next election?

"A government in current affairs" is an odd phrase, but I assume it just means a caretaker government.

Yes it's a caretaker government. My english sadly isn't that good. I just saw that our media named it like this in their english articles.
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« Reply #276 on: December 20, 2018, 03:37:17 pm »

Flanders poll

NVA 30
CDV 16
Groen 14
VB 12
VLD 11
SPA 9
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« Reply #277 on: December 21, 2018, 09:09:12 am »

N-VA, sp.a, VLD coalition sealed in Antwerp.

Clever move to do this in the midst of the political crisis.

Bad news for non-car owners in Antwerp though.

EDIT : And the King officially accept Michel's resignation.
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« Reply #278 on: December 21, 2018, 10:31:29 am »

N-VA, sp.a, VLD coalition sealed in Antwerp.

Clever move to do this in the midst of the political crisis.

Bad news for non-car owners in Antwerp though.

EDIT : And the King officially accept Michel's resignation.

Greens being criticized for not even wanting to talk with N-VA in Antwerp as they criticize the agreement for it not being green, while they actually had a chance to enter coalition and to work on a "relatively" green agreement.
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« Reply #279 on: December 22, 2018, 02:26:24 pm »

N-VA, sp.a, VLD coalition sealed in Antwerp.

Clever move to do this in the midst of the political crisis.

Bad news for non-car owners in Antwerp though.

EDIT : And the King officially accept Michel's resignation.

I don't know, the s.pa seem to get a lot of backfire.
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« Reply #280 on: January 09, 2019, 09:25:15 am »

S&V leader Dries Van Langenhove will be the top VB candidate in the province of Vlaams-Brabant in the upcoming federal election, but will supposedly sit as an independent in parliament if elected.
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« Reply #281 on: January 09, 2019, 09:53:37 am »

S&V leader Dries Van Langenhove will be the top VB candidate in the province of Vlaams-Brabant in the upcoming federal election, but will supposedly sit as an independent in parliament if elected.
Smart move from Van Grieken. I think he will pull voters away from N-VA and VB lacked a good candidate to contest the elections in the province of Vlaams Brabant against the popular N-VA former secretary of state of immigration Theo Francken. He almost certainly has that seat.
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« Reply #282 on: January 10, 2019, 11:09:42 am »
« Edited: January 10, 2019, 11:16:48 am by Lakigigar »

Vlaams Belang to give far right activist parliamentary platform

That interview yesterday will become one of the most notorious ones in Belgian political history. I've never seen something like that. Unfortunately, a lot of you can't speak dutch, but people who speak / understand dutch, definitely watch it! It already has 200k views on YouTube. I've never seen such a hostile / brutal interview, and the attacks by DVL were very direct and brutal while the news anchor / moderator was kind of suggestive as well. The reactions on social media are of course very polarized, but i've literally never seen something like this. I couldn't believe it was happening when i watched it.

The far right activist confirmed he was working on a new media channel: "a news channel that will counter your (VRT) fake news and lies" he told VRT TV.

Especially that part of it (or the Oswald Mosley part of the interview, where he was criticized for quoting Oswald Mosley in a speech).

It's sad however that political parties give little to no chances to young people, and that he can now claim to represent the 'Flemish youth'. He will probably become the youngest member in parliament. (25 years, 26 next year).

Politics is rapidly polarizing everywhere, and Belgium is no exception to it.

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« Reply #283 on: January 10, 2019, 11:15:39 am »

That interview was indeed kind of unreal, especially for someone from the Netherlands who views the Flemish as generally more polite and less direct than us! It was clear the tv lady wanted to do a hitjob on DVL. She was way too hostile and definitely not neutral, erroneously stating that he is broke (which he himself never claimed) and suggesting this would be why he is a candidate for parliament. Of course he wouldn't respond kindly to it. I'm sure this will only help him, just like Tim Verheyden's attempt to take down DVL in Pano didn't work.
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« Reply #284 on: January 10, 2019, 11:23:23 am »

That interview was indeed kind of unreal, especially for someone from the Netherlands who views the Flemish as generally more polite and less direct than us! It was clear the tv lady wanted to do a hitjob on DVL. She was way too hostile and definitely not neutral, erroneously stating that he is broke (which he himself never claimed) and suggesting this would be why he is a candidate for parliament. Of course he wouldn't respond kindly to it. I'm sure this will only help him, just like Tim Verheyden's attempt to take down DVL in Pano didn't work.
I agree with the first part. The news moderator (or how you call it) definitely did a hitjob on him, but so does most of the media. They're generally very critical of right-wing candidates while they are very polite for liberal or social democrat candidates (and never put more critical questions after they've posed one, while they do that all the time with right-wing (or far-left) candidates and interrupt them and don't with liberal or socialist candidates). I agree the media isn't neutral.

The suggestion that he was broke is something he didn't claim. What he did though was asking for donations to finance his organisation, which are indeed two different things. The anchor referred to that. Of course, there was also an argument over whether he was identified as a suspect in the investigation that was triggered by the VRT probe. And apparently they were both wrong about that. He was in fact identified as a suspect, but he didn't know, while the media claimed he did knew (which was in fact not true). But he made a claim as well that was false, and always has claimed that he wasn't that person on Discord or that Discord account was fake. I mean both the news moderator and DVL lost a lot of credibility again after that interview. I also didn't like his attitude or her's. Usually, a debate is agressive between two politicians, but this one was more aggressive and it was between a news moderator and a right-wing politician. I think it shows you a perfect example of how times and the political environment is changing and that politics is rapidly polarizing.

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It did the opposite of what he wanted. The attempt to take him down (there was no need to, as he wasn't known) just made him big. Because of that, he's likely to enter parliament. This would've never happened without Pano. It's a catastrophic mistake, just like Trump was a creation of the media as well, and both feed each other.
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« Reply #285 on: January 10, 2019, 12:22:25 pm »

I think it's the consequence of the "cordon sanitaire" type of thinking that is prevalent in Flanders, according to which the shunning of supposedly radical right-wing political actors isn't just something that can be left to politicians but is also a task of the media, who are obviously naturally inclined to side with centrist and center-left parties in the first place; on the other hand, in the Netherlands we have more of a tradition in which such viewpoints are approached in a less "activist" way (which critics think normalizes these viewpoints). While I think the Dutch public broadcaster has a left-wing bias too, they would never approach someone like Thierry Baudet similarly to what happened yesterday.

And yeah, DVL almost definitely lied about the Discord server, no need to beat around the bush in that regard. But the part of the public that is sympathetic to DVL's political message and would simultaneously oppose Mosley references and what went on in the Discord server (like me...) is more inclined to support him when the media instrumentalize these things as an attack on him - especially if done as triumphantly as Cools did. Just question someone fairly yet critically, without attacking them, and let the people at home make up their minds, I'd say.
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« Reply #286 on: January 11, 2019, 10:27:55 am »
« Edited: January 11, 2019, 10:39:49 am by coloniac »

I think it's the consequence of the "cordon sanitaire" type of thinking that is prevalent in Flanders, according to which the shunning of supposedly radical right-wing political actors isn't just something that can be left to politicians but is also a task of the media, who are obviously naturally inclined to side with centrist and center-left parties in the first place; on the other hand, in the Netherlands we have more of a tradition in which such viewpoints are approached in a less "activist" way (which critics think normalizes these viewpoints). While I think the Dutch public broadcaster has a left-wing bias too, they would never approach someone like Thierry Baudet similarly to what happened yesterday.

Sorry but that´s utter bollocks. Vlaams Belang have been consistently treated as same as a mainstream party in the Flemish media - who are routinely criticised by their RTBF housemates because of it - or else Filip DeWinter (who is way more extremist and overtly white nationalist than the S&V daddy's boy with a top uni education... see here  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVdL3fTf58M) would not have the countless platforms and invited to debates on VRT with serious questioning - just look at his debate with Francken. Or how about the VRT running a documentary on Marie-Rose Morel's political struggle in sympathetic light equating it in tandem with her battle with cancer.


Yes, the VRT interview with VDL was confrontational, but its more a part of the growing editorial line of the public broadcasters across Europe to try and compete on youtube. People watch 2 minutes clips of "Jordan Peterson CRUSHES feminazi lizard person", not whole 40min interviews anymore. So both VDL and VRT enter a silent pact to make the interview confrontational, meaning the VRT interviewer inevitably adopts a left-wing editorial line. Its all about views.

For people who claim their culture to be superior that other cultures, the far right sure do like to cultivate an inferiority complex...

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« Reply #287 on: January 11, 2019, 11:06:28 am »


For people who claim their culture to be superior that other cultures, the far right sure do like to cultivate an inferiority complex...


Supremacism always hides some inferiority complex, isn't it?
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« Reply #288 on: January 11, 2019, 11:49:40 am »

Yes, the VRT interview with VDL was confrontational, but its more a part of the growing editorial line of the public broadcasters across Europe to try and compete on youtube. People watch 2 minutes clips of "Jordan Peterson CRUSHES feminazi lizard person", not whole 40min interviews anymore. So both VDL and VRT enter a silent pact to make the interview confrontational, meaning the VRT interviewer inevitably adopts a left-wing editorial line. Its all about views.

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« Reply #289 on: January 11, 2019, 12:49:10 pm »
« Edited: January 11, 2019, 12:52:37 pm by coloniac »

Yes, the VRT interview with VDL was confrontational, but its more a part of the growing editorial line of the public broadcasters across Europe to try and compete on youtube. People watch 2 minutes clips of "Jordan Peterson CRUSHES feminazi lizard person", not whole 40min interviews anymore. So both VDL and VRT enter a silent pact to make the interview confrontational, meaning the VRT interviewer inevitably adopts a left-wing editorial line. Its all about views.

I don't believe in conspiracy theories.

Nor am I claiming there is one. Both parties dislike each other, but have much more to gain from a confrontational interview than a sensible one. Hence their behaviour is predictable.

Saying the media treat VB sympathisers unfairly because they are under the heelboot of left-wing ideology and cordon sanitaire mentality is conspiracy theory that can be debunked quite easily though
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« Reply #290 on: January 15, 2019, 08:26:16 am »

N-VA announced that De Wever will be candidate for Regional president, ex-Interior Minister Jambon will head their Federal list (unlikely that he will be PM) and current Minister-President Geert Bourgeois will head the European list. There was speculation that Theo Francken would head the European list because N-VA needed to compete there and he wanted to beat the vote preference record Leo Tindemans previously held (something like 980.000 votes). Not sure what Bourgeois offers other than prehaps a campaign focuses on "Europe of Regions" bluster and a nice retirement.
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« Reply #291 on: January 16, 2019, 06:51:08 am »

Usually, not so popular politicians head the European list or go to Europe for a mandate because they aren't suspectible to the opinion of voters as much. And it's partly also because Belgium has too few politicians for too many mandates or g'vments.
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« Reply #292 on: January 16, 2019, 10:53:46 am »

Usually, not so popular politicians head the European list or go to Europe for a mandate because they aren't suspectible to the opinion of voters as much.

Is Bourgeois really "not so popular"? CLearly not as good a communicator as Francken, De Wever and Jambon but I always put that down to him focussing more on Flemish nationalism than immigration.

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Yes, I'm wondering how De Wever's decision to potentially ditch his Antwerp mandate will go down, but given he has a cult personality status in his ranks they'll probably find an excuse for him.
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« Reply #293 on: January 17, 2019, 02:50:01 pm »

Will donate to DVL's campaign soon. I want to be able to merge this thread with the Dutch one in my lifetime after all.
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« Reply #294 on: January 17, 2019, 06:38:00 pm »

Will donate to DVL's campaign soon. I want to be able to merge this thread with the Dutch one in my lifetime after all.

Link? I'll donate too, for Groot-Nederland! Wallonia can go to the Yellow Vests dictatorship.
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« Reply #295 on: January 22, 2019, 10:11:57 pm »
« Edited: January 22, 2019, 10:16:39 pm by Lakigigar »

Lots of protests are expected for the next weeks. I'm just not sure about the general strike, as i haven't heard about it a lot (maybe it's something in particular for Wallonia?)

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« Reply #296 on: January 24, 2019, 10:55:56 am »

35,000 play truant for the climate
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« Reply #297 on: February 05, 2019, 11:15:14 am »

Belgian climate minister denounces protest marches as plot

Belgian Climate Minister Denounces Protest Marches as Plot

Belgian minister backtracks on school-strike conspiracy claims

End of her political career! Even international media reports about this gaffe of our Belgian climate minister.
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« Reply #298 on: February 05, 2019, 01:23:41 pm »

She resigned. The press conference was a very emotional one. One i will remember for a very long time.

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« Reply #299 on: February 05, 2019, 04:05:31 pm »

She will lead the CDV list in the "flandre orientale" province. So she will be elected and will probably be in the next government, probably not in charge of environment.
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