After 2020 will the progressive movement be dead

[Technocracy Timmy]

I can definitely see young voters wrenching right in the next 20 years, and the GOP could find themselves winning young voters by 2022.

K I have no idea how considering studies show millennials are very liberal

Generation Z is so conservative it'll make ya head spin. And by conservative I mean national socialist

I still don't buy that idea

Yeah I don't seriously think that a generation that's not even of voting age is conservative let alone a bunch of Nazis.

In fact given the current trends I think they'll be second only to millenials as the most Democratic living generation.

What current trends?  As you say they are not even voting age yet.

Well that's why I don't fully know whether they'll be conservative or not: because it's only trends in place right now that could change.

But right we know that the best indicator of ones lifelong party affiliation is to look at what Party was in the White House when one turned 18 and how they Party performed (538). Generation Z will likely be coming of age during an unpopular GOP administration from now til 2020. I think Pence or Trump will have the advantage when it comes to the 2020 election because they'll be sitting presidents and will have the Reagan coalition to fall back on. From then on I can't really say whether or not they'll be popular in their second term (if they even get one) so idk whether the rest of Gen Z will come of age during a popular GOP presidency from 2020-2024. This also doesn't include the rest of Generation Z that comes of age from 2024-2036.

We do know that they're the most racially diverse generation in American history so that's a big plus for the Democrats though.

[White Trash]

I can definitely see young voters wrenching right in the next 20 years, and the GOP could find themselves winning young voters by 2022.

K I have no idea how considering studies show millennials are very liberal

Generation Z is so conservative it'll make ya head spin. And by conservative I mean national socialist

I still don't buy that idea

Yeah I don't seriously think that a generation that's not even of voting age is conservative let alone a bunch of Nazis.

In fact given the current trends I think they'll be second only to millenials as the most Democratic living generation.

What current trends?  As you say they are not even voting age yet.

Well that's why I don't fully know whether they'll be conservative or not: because it's only trends in place right now that could change.

But right we know that the best indicator of ones lifelong party affiliation is to look at what Party was in the White House when one turned 18 and how they Party performed (538). Generation Z will likely be coming of age during an unpopular GOP administration from now til 2020. I think Pence or Trump will have the advantage when it comes to the 2020 election because they'll be sitting presidents and will have the Reagan coalition to fall back on. From then on I can't really say whether or not they'll be popular in their second term (if they even get one) so idk whether the rest of Gen Z will come of age during a popular GOP presidency from 2020-2024. This also doesn't include the rest of Generation Z that comes of age from 2024-2036.

We do know that they're the most racially diverse generation in American history so that's a big plus for the Democrats though.

Well that is probably true... I came of age under George W. and that certainly turned me off to Republicans. 

You're a bit thick aren't you?

[Shadows]

Hopefully the socialist movement will be dead and Democrats will return to a capitalist mindset, but the country is getting more liberal on social issues so no.

Is this supposed to be a sentence?

I realize you're only 20, but yes.

Why do you have to be so rude to people? You know, despite all of your logic X or Y, you know damn well that you find yourself not fitting in either party & that will likely stay that way for a while - Is that causing that reaction - The fact that you feel marginalized?

Because people have a rational polite discussion !

[GoTfan]

I can definitely see young voters wrenching right in the next 20 years, and the GOP could find themselves winning young voters by 2022.

K I have no idea how considering studies show millennials are very liberal

Generation Z is so conservative it'll make ya head spin. And by conservative I mean national socialist

I still don't buy that idea

Yeah I don't seriously think that a generation that's not even of voting age is conservative let alone a bunch of Nazis.

In fact given the current trends I think they'll be second only to millenials as the most Democratic living generation.

What current trends?  As you say they are not even voting age yet.

Well that's why I don't fully know whether they'll be conservative or not: because it's only trends in place right now that could change.

But right we know that the best indicator of ones lifelong party affiliation is to look at what Party was in the White House when one turned 18 and how they Party performed (538). Generation Z will likely be coming of age during an unpopular GOP administration from now til 2020. I think Pence or Trump will have the advantage when it comes to the 2020 election because they'll be sitting presidents and will have the Reagan coalition to fall back on. From then on I can't really say whether or not they'll be popular in their second term (if they even get one) so idk whether the rest of Gen Z will come of age during a popular GOP presidency from 2020-2024. This also doesn't include the rest of Generation Z that comes of age from 2024-2036.

We do know that they're the most racially diverse generation in American history so that's a big plus for the Democrats though.

Well that is probably true... I came of age under George W. and that certainly turned me off to Republicans. 

You're a bit thick aren't you?

The point here is that if you burn down cities,  then they'll rise again, because farms are able to provide food. But burn down the farms, then there's no food.

[NOVA Green]

Wow!!!

Just logged into this thread for the first time in 24 hours, and it appears to have become an Atlasian version of a final two person WWE "Schmack-Down" match....

I think that both NSV and White Trash are at least somewhat familiar with my opinions on this matter regarding where the Democratic Party needs to focus in 2020...

That being said, this thread has gone so well beyond the OPs hypothetical question to an entirely different realm.

Simple answer is NO.... Regardless of whomever the "figurehead" of the Progressive Movement might be in 2020, let alone the electoral outcomes, the fundamental message from the "Progressive", "Left", "Liberal", and now we can even openly say "Socialist" wing of the Democratic Party will remain.

There are a ton of fundamental economic problems in America today, that have deep and systemic roots for decades. Both the "Modern" Democratic and Republican Parties chose several decades back, and likely even further beyond in history, to abandon working and middle-class Americans, in order to be crucified upon the sacred altar of Wall Street and "Free" Trade.

Meanwhile, for the past 50 years, both parties have been raiding the till when it comes to entitlement programs, in order to "borrow" money to fund either unnecessary wars overseas and/or massive tax cuts for wealthy Americans and MultiNational Corporations...

Ya Basta....

We're done with the forced austerity crap, and we are never going back, only forward.

[Shadows]

Wow!!!

Just logged into this thread for the first time in 24 hours, and it appears to have become an Atlasian version of a final two person WWE "Schmack-Down" match....

I think that both NSV and White Trash are at least somewhat familiar with my opinions on this matter regarding where the Democratic Party needs to focus in 2020...

That being said, this thread has gone so well beyond the OPs hypothetical question to an entirely different realm.

Simple answer is NO.... Regardless of whomever the "figurehead" of the Progressive Movement might be in 2020, let alone the electoral outcomes, the fundamental message from the "Progressive", "Left", "Liberal", and now we can even openly say "Socialist" wing of the Democratic Party will remain.

There are a ton of fundamental economic problems in America today, that have deep and systemic roots for decades. Both the "Modern" Democratic and Republican Parties chose several decades back, and likely even further beyond in history, to abandon working and middle-class Americans, in order to be crucified upon the sacred altar of Wall Street and "Free" Trade.

Meanwhile, for the past 50 years, both parties have been raiding the till when it comes to entitlement programs, in order to "borrow" money to fund either unnecessary wars overseas and/or massive tax cuts for wealthy Americans and MultiNational Corporations...

Ya Basta....

We're done with the forced austerity crap, and we are never going back, only forward.

Nova-White Trash in a Loser leaves Atlas match - Cheer up & some drink beer!

[NOVA Green]

Wow!!!

Just logged into this thread for the first time in 24 hours, and it appears to have become an Atlasian version of a final two person WWE "Schmack-Down" match....

I think that both NSV and White Trash are at least somewhat familiar with my opinions on this matter regarding where the Democratic Party needs to focus in 2020...

That being said, this thread has gone so well beyond the OPs hypothetical question to an entirely different realm.

Simple answer is NO.... Regardless of whomever the "figurehead" of the Progressive Movement might be in 2020, let alone the electoral outcomes, the fundamental message from the "Progressive", "Left", "Liberal", and now we can even openly say "Socialist" wing of the Democratic Party will remain.

There are a ton of fundamental economic problems in America today, that have deep and systemic roots for decades. Both the "Modern" Democratic and Republican Parties chose several decades back, and likely even further beyond in history, to abandon working and middle-class Americans, in order to be crucified upon the sacred altar of Wall Street and "Free" Trade.

Meanwhile, for the past 50 years, both parties have been raiding the till when it comes to entitlement programs, in order to "borrow" money to fund either unnecessary wars overseas and/or massive tax cuts for wealthy Americans and MultiNational Corporations...

Ya Basta....

We're done with the forced austerity crap, and we are never going back, only forward.

Nova-White Trash in a Loser leaves Atlas match - Cheer up & some drink beer!

Ha--Ha!!!   That made we literally laugh out loud, which I rarely do anymore on any internet Forums...

Am actually cheering up and drinking my last beer, before I need to crash and report to duty early morning in my new job working on the shop floor in a warehouse gig, working on the line....

[Shadows]

Wow!!!

Just logged into this thread for the first time in 24 hours, and it appears to have become an Atlasian version of a final two person WWE "Schmack-Down" match....

I think that both NSV and White Trash are at least somewhat familiar with my opinions on this matter regarding where the Democratic Party needs to focus in 2020...

That being said, this thread has gone so well beyond the OPs hypothetical question to an entirely different realm.

Simple answer is NO.... Regardless of whomever the "figurehead" of the Progressive Movement might be in 2020, let alone the electoral outcomes, the fundamental message from the "Progressive", "Left", "Liberal", and now we can even openly say "Socialist" wing of the Democratic Party will remain.

There are a ton of fundamental economic problems in America today, that have deep and systemic roots for decades. Both the "Modern" Democratic and Republican Parties chose several decades back, and likely even further beyond in history, to abandon working and middle-class Americans, in order to be crucified upon the sacred altar of Wall Street and "Free" Trade.

Meanwhile, for the past 50 years, both parties have been raiding the till when it comes to entitlement programs, in order to "borrow" money to fund either unnecessary wars overseas and/or massive tax cuts for wealthy Americans and MultiNational Corporations...

Ya Basta....

We're done with the forced austerity crap, and we are never going back, only forward.

Nova-White Trash in a Loser leaves Atlas match - Cheer up & some drink beer!

Please win Nova... 

Okay that would be Non-swing-voter vs White Trash not Nova in No Disqualification match (Maybe have a special mutually acceptable ref) !

[RINO Tom]

It would have been really entertaining reading this board in the '80s ... "once the dumb, uneducated olds who are obsessed with FDR and the Great Depression die off and are replaced by young patriots who went to college, the GOP will dominate!"  LOL.

[Mr. Smith]

It would have been really entertaining reading this board in the '80s ... "once the dumb, uneducated olds who are obsessed with FDR and the Great Depression die off and are replaced by young patriots who went to college, the GOP will dominate!"  LOL.

Fix that to the '70's and sadly, that IS what happened.

[TrumpianRevolution]

I don't see the point of this thread, its like saying "will the Reagan revolution be dead now that Bush has lost to Clinton", if anything, it certainly is not dead.