Foreign policy differences among 2020 Dems

[The Undefeatable Debbie Stabenow]

I appreciate that Murphy is one of few who seems to be taking definitive stances on current foreign policy issues. I think I tend to agree with him on those stances as well, although my foreign policy convictions are nowhere near as strong as my domestic policy convictions.

Murphy's playing it smart. In the event that foreign affairs become a pivotal issue in the primaries, he'll have staked out the progressive ground far earlier than any non-Sanders candidate. Truth be told, it's really the only way he'll be able to differentiate himself in the primary.

Agreed. I had previously considered him the epitome of "Generic D" and someone I would probably pass over should he become a 2020 contender, but learning that he has been so decisive on foreign policy issues (while most Democrats seem to be very noncommittal) has actually put him on my radar.

What indication has Murphy given that he's actually considering running? And anyways, he did vote for the $80 billion military increase that Sanders, Merkley, and Gillibrand voted against.

I don't think he will run, I'm just exploring the hypothetical in which he does. And I'm not necessarily saying I appreciate his foreign policy because it's the most progressive; I just like that he is taking a strong stance on some recent issues that other potential candidates seem to be afraid to take strong stances on.

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https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1042394554996011013

[Proto]

I think voters will pay more attention to fundamental foreign policy issues, such as Russia as an ideological and political rival, China as an economic competitor, Europe as the main political and military ally. And most of candidates share the same positions as far as these issues are concerned.

[Mr. Morden]

Peter Beinart discusses Sanders’s foreign policy here:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/bernie-sanders-and-end-american-century/573001/

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[American2020]

Bernie Sanders Is Quietly Remaking the Democrats’ Foreign Policy in His Own Image

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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/17/bernie-sanders-is-quietly-remaking-the-democrats-foreign-policy-in-his-own-image-221313


The main goal to Democrats' foreign policy will be to repair and rebuild what Trump has destroyed since 2017.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-destroying-american-brand-090027322.html

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Hawks:
John Delaney
Kamala Harris
Elizabeth Warren
Eric Holder
Hillary Clinton
Joe Biden
Terry McAuliffe
Tim Ryan
Amy Klobuchar
John Kerry

Doves:
Jeff Merkley
Bernie Sanders

Somewhere in between:
Martin O'Malley
Cory Booker
Tulsi Gabbard

No one really knows:
Andrew Yang
Michel Avenatti
Tom Steyer
Deval Patrick
Steve Bullock
John Hickenlooper
Julian Castro
Howard Schultz
Pete Buttigieg
Lincoln Chafee

This could be the defining issue of whether or not someone is percieved as progressive by the party base. I would love to see Merkley or Sanders call everyone to arms (pun not intended) on the issue. That would eviscerate a lot of top names in an ever-dovish Democratic Party (and American society).

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Peter Beinart discusses Sanders’s foreign policy here:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/bernie-sanders-and-end-american-century/573001/

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Bernie is definitely not as dovish as Corbyn, but he's far more dovish than the establishment wants anyone to be.

[Intell]

Peter Beinart discusses Sanders’s foreign policy here:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/bernie-sanders-and-end-american-century/573001/

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Bernie is definitely not as dovish as Corbyn, but he's far more dovish than the establishment wants anyone to be.

Which is irrelavent as being dovish is not the point of anyone on the left. War is not bad because it is war (war against Hitler, fascism, ISIS, the Taliban) is justified, war is unjust when it serves destabilise a religion for the benefit of the military industrial complex and war profiteers so they ensure  the maintenance of a capitalist-corporatist economy to serve the interests of the global elite.

[Da2017]

Hawks:
John Delaney
Kamala Harris
Elizabeth Warren
Eric Holder
Hillary Clinton
Joe Biden
Terry McAuliffe
Tim Ryan
Amy Klobuchar
John Kerry

Doves:
Jeff Merkley
Bernie Sanders

Somewhere in between:
Martin O'Malley
Cory Booker
Tulsi Gabbard

No one really knows:
Andrew Yang
Michel Avenatti
Tom Steyer
Deval Patrick
Steve Bullock
John Hickenlooper
Julian Castro
Howard Schultz
Pete Buttigieg
Lincoln Chafee

This could be the defining issue of whether or not someone is percieved as progressive by the party base. I would love to see Merkley or Sanders call everyone to arms (pun not intended) on the issue. That would eviscerate a lot of top names in an ever-dovish Democratic Party (and American society).

Booker and Harris should be switched.

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Hawks:
John Delaney
Kamala Harris
Elizabeth Warren
Eric Holder
Hillary Clinton
Joe Biden
Terry McAuliffe
Tim Ryan
Amy Klobuchar
John Kerry

Doves:
Jeff Merkley
Bernie Sanders

Somewhere in between:
Martin O'Malley
Cory Booker
Tulsi Gabbard

No one really knows:
Andrew Yang
Michel Avenatti
Tom Steyer
Deval Patrick
Steve Bullock
John Hickenlooper
Julian Castro
Howard Schultz
Pete Buttigieg
Lincoln Chafee

This could be the defining issue of whether or not someone is percieved as progressive by the party base. I would love to see Merkley or Sanders call everyone to arms (pun not intended) on the issue. That would eviscerate a lot of top names in an ever-dovish Democratic Party (and American society).

Booker and Harris should be switched.

No one who had a secret AIPAC speech is anything but a hawk.

[Mr. Morden]

New story on Gabbard's foreign policy here:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/tulsi-gabbards-foreign-policy-and-the-progressive-left.html

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“And the world is happy with him. Do you see anybody in America except for Bernie Sanders who is calling for putting pressure on MBS? I only saw Bernie Sanders, but no one else.” -Jamal Khashoggi

https://www.inquisitr.com/5125029/in-secret-final-interview-jamal-khashoggi-says-only-bernie-sanders-was-willing-to-stand-up-to-saudi-arabia/

[Mr. Morden]

Gabbard calls Trump Saudi Arabia's "b*tch":

https://www.civilbeat.org/2018/11/tulsi-gabbard-just-called-donald-trump-a-bitch/

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[Mr. Morden]

Warren's giving a foreign policy speech today, and here's a preview:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/what-elizabeth-warrens-foreign-policy-speech-means/576928/

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[Mr. Morden]

This story notes that last month Booker became a co-sponsor of the anti-BDS bill that Gillibrand infamously supported and then withdrew support from.  It says he's the only prospective 2020 Dem. to support it currently, though the list of cosponsors is here:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/720/cosponsors

and Michael Bennet, who has recently said that he might also run for prez, is also cosponsoring it.  But all the other 2020ers are staying away, including those who are normally hawkish on foreign policy, like Klobuchar:

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Is there some kind of alternative BDS that only targets Far Right, pro-settlement Israeli business but explicitly supports left-wing, pro-peace ones? That sounds like an appropriate compromise position for Democratic candidates who want to wade in these waters.

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Is there some kind of alternative BDS that only targets Far Right, pro-settlement Israeli business but explicitly supports left-wing, pro-peace ones? That sounds like an appropriate compromise position for Democratic candidates who want to wade in these waters.

Was there one like that for apartheid South Africa?

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Is there some kind of alternative BDS that only targets Far Right, pro-settlement Israeli business but explicitly supports left-wing, pro-peace ones? That sounds like an appropriate compromise position for Democratic candidates who want to wade in these waters.

Was there one like that for apartheid South Africa?

Was the campaign against Apartheid South Africa designed to abolish the nation and explicitly either disenfranchise, expel, or kill every last white South African?

And were the white South Africans indigenous to the nation?

[NewYorkExpress]

Being anti-Israel is almost certainly going to be a litmus test for (most) Democrats, just as being anti-abortion will be for (most) Republicans.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Being anti-Israel is almost certainly going to be a litmus test for (most) Democrats, just as being anti-abortion will be for (most) Republicans.

I doubt it. Anti-Israel forces aren't the biggest group, they're just the loudest and meanest. Their actual voting clout is minimal. If anything, it's a good opportunity for the Dems to get a Sister Souljah moment by condemning the growing forces of left-wing anti-semitism. But the US is not Britain right now. The Dem nominee will likely ultimately be at least marginally pro-Israel.

[Mr. Morden]

Warren backs Syria/Afghanistan withdrawal (unclear from this context if she means more of a withdrawal from Afghanistan than what Trump proposes):

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-troops-syria/index.html

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[Woody]

Warren backs Syria/Afghanistan withdrawal (unclear from this context if she means more of a withdrawal from Afghanistan than what Trump proposes):

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-troops-syria/index.html

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LOL. They are already conceding to Trump on Syria/Afghanistan because they know he is right.

[Zaybay]

Warren backs Syria/Afghanistan withdrawal (unclear from this context if she means more of a withdrawal from Afghanistan than what Trump proposes):

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-troops-syria/index.html

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LOL. They are already conceding to Trump on Syria/Afghanistan because they know he is right.

Warren and Sanders represent the Dove side of the party, so yeah, if any Dems were gonna agree with Trump on this, its these two.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

Thank god! Good for her

[Mr. Morden]

HuffPo asked a bunch of 2020ers about the proposed Syria and Afghanistan withdrawals, and here's what they said:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrats-2020-syria-afghanistan_us_5c40f6d9e4b027c3bbbf849b