Do you think the Dems are focusing too much on the Russia narrative?

[Beet]

It's their own version of Whitewater at this point.

Whitewater damaged the Clinton's a lot. The allegations here are far worse than even that.

[Trapsy]

Yes, and in the long run voters really not going to care much.

True. That's the crazy part even I care less that Russian interfered with our election and its a huge deal. We don't even have real investigations going thats it feels like. and I am starting to think if we find out that if the Trump campaign didn't collude with the Russians during election nothing will actually happen.

[Ronnie]

It's their own version of Whitewater at this point.

The difference between the two events, I think, is that the Democratic base is less likely to draw immediate conclusions from these kinds of reports, particularly if there's a conspiratorial element to them, than the Republican base, a large segment of whom believe everything they read from sources like Breitbart and InfoWars.  I do think the hysteria is overblown right now, but that's only because I realize that we don't actually know much yet.  If the situation was reversed, and it was in fact a newly-elected Democratic President who was on the opposite end of these accusations, Republicans would be calling for impeachment and probably worse (execution for espionage, perhaps?).

[Hindsight was 2020]

Yes, and in the long run voters really not going to care much.

People said the same about Watergate

[Maxwell]

yes - because I think what Trump is doing on the domestic front is soooo much worse atm. The lack of focus there is mind boggling. A lot of the things happening are things Trump is doing to screw his own supporters.

[Trapsy]

yes - because I think what Trump is doing on the domestic front is soooo much worse atm. The lack of focus there is mind boggling. A lot of the things happening are things Trump is doing to screw his own supporters.

global warming, ICE raids, ACA repeal, voting rights, DAPL, budget and soon looming debt ceiling. and the supreme court we got a lot of fights but i dont even know if we are prepared to handle all of it. The only upside for us is that Trump is laggy a bit but if he gets organized its gonna be scarier.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Yelling Russia to try to distract people from the Podesta e-mails is undermining progressives. The Democratic party needs to stop throwing progressives under the bus.

in fact the useless information inside the podesty nothingburgers was used to confuse people with the real actual critical missing hillary emails and obtained by a conspiracy of far-right or anarchistic groups, who try to undermine liberalism and democracy.

progressives are jumping themselves sometimes, cause they think more about their social-democratic "traitor" allies than their actual enemies.

3rd way has proven themselves to be an enemy of progressives. 3rd way is just like Republicans and avoids talking about the issues, because issues favor the progressives. 3rd way needs to get the f**k out of the way and hand the party over to progressives who will hammer Trump on real issues, such as the environment, wall street, and ICE.

[Deblano]

Yes, Russia has conducted cyberattacks against the United States, but tbh the Democrats are using Russia as a perfect scapegoat because they are extremely embarrassed that they lost to Donald Trump of all people.

"No....no...It wasn't our fault that we lost. It wasn't that our candidate was pretty crap and unable to relate to progressives. It was because RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTION and stole our landslide victory from us. We don't need to reform. Don't mind us."

Plus, you mention Russia enough, you have a populace that is fearmongered into submission like our politicians fearmonger over terrorism, guns, transgender bathrooms, etc....

[Meclazine for Israel]

Yes, Russia has conducted cyberattacks against the United States, but tbh the Democrats are using Russia as a perfect scapegoat because they are extremely embarrassed that they lost to Donald Trump of all people.

"No....no...It wasn't our fault that we lost. It wasn't that our candidate was pretty crap and unable to relate to progressives. It was because RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTION and stole our landslide victory from us. We don't need to reform. Don't mind us."

Plus, you mention Russia enough, you have a populace that is fearmongered into submission like our politicians fearmonger over terrorism, guns, transgender bathrooms, etc....

Yup, this just plays perfectly into Trumps Twitter account.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Yes, Russia has conducted cyberattacks against the United States, but tbh the Democrats are using Russia as a perfect scapegoat because they are extremely embarrassed that they lost to Donald Trump of all people.

the risk putin symbolizes for liberalism in the classical and the modern sense is far bigger than any petty election.

that he invested in trump and trump's own lacking skills are horrifying is just a gruesome extra.

[Nyvin]

It's kind of taken a life of it's own.   I don't think the Democratic Party has as much control over this as you seem to think it does.

[ApatheticAustrian]

It's kind of taken a life of it's own.   I don't think the Democratic Party has as much control over this as you seem to think it does.

absolutely.

in fact obama made sure that the trail couldn't be hidden - and the story makes a new twist any other day.

the democrats could ignore the story...would make their base angry, deny it..would be even sillier...or endorse it in a soft way.


atm we know, like trump's "man in russia" confessed that trump himself lobbied for taking the ukraine passage out of the RNC platform, even while he denied it later.......and AFTER sessions met with the russian ambassador, funded through campaign money.

drip drip drip.

you won't win the WWC like that but it is going to fire up your own base, make trump go even more paranoid and could even bring home some scalps.

[Hindsight was 2020]

It's kind of taken a life of it's own.   I don't think the Democratic Party has as much control over this as you seem to think it does.

^this

[Deblano]

Yes, Russia has conducted cyberattacks against the United States, but tbh the Democrats are using Russia as a perfect scapegoat because they are extremely embarrassed that they lost to Donald Trump of all people.

"No....no...It wasn't our fault that we lost. It wasn't that our candidate was pretty crap and unable to relate to progressives. It was because RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTION and stole our landslide victory from us. We don't need to reform. Don't mind us."

Plus, you mention Russia enough, you have a populace that is fearmongered into submission like our politicians fearmonger over terrorism, guns, transgender bathrooms, etc....

Yup, this just plays perfectly into Trumps Twitter account.

What do you mean?

[SATW]

Yes, it's annoying. Very insincere political ploy on Democrats' part.

[Green Line]

I'm glad one party is willing to stand up to stand up for our country, even if their motives are not pure.  I'm more annoyed by the Republicans bending over (Lil Marco).

[ApatheticAustrian]

Yes, it's annoying. Very insincere political ploy on Democrats' part.

in fact, imho, playing nice with putin would be more insincere and masochistic for any modern liberal, in both meanings of the word.

[Deblano]

Yes, I agree. The Dems should wait until Trump actually take some policy action that is soft on Russia, and otherwise sucks. I tend to doubt that Trump the macho man would do that. He's already mad that Russia is selling missiles to Iran.

Makes me wonder if all this stuff would make Trump feel more pressure to do something if say, Russia invaded Kazakhstan.

[Mr. Smith]

Nope.

It's a hole, not the best one, but still a hole to exploit, and ANY hole is acceptable at this point.

Just look at how useful Benghazi ended up being, despite no new evidence each time.

[Deblano]

Nope.

It's a hole, not the best one, but still a hole to exploit, and ANY hole is acceptable at this point.

Just look at how useful Benghazi ended up being, despite no new evidence each time.

Russia is the one thing that sticks to Telfon Trump.

[ApatheticAustrian]

Russia is the one thing that sticks to Telfon Trump.

for one simple strange reason:

he danced around EVERY topic, was always all over the place, runs his mouth faster than usain bolt  and ......always stayed the same on russia, defending putin hard even while denying him with some lip service could haven been the easy thing to do.

as far as i remember, he pushed pence under the bus, let himself get slaughtered in a debate with hillary on that topic, got crushed by both scarborough and O'Reilly through silly answers for easy questions and generally always sounds like he is willing to die on this hill.

if all your public life is made of jello, the moment you bite on steel you wonder why.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

It's their own version of Whitewater at this point.

Whitewater damaged the Clinton's a lot. The allegations here are far worse than even that.

And the Clintons handled Whitewater pretty well. Russiagate is driving Trump's insanity out into the open very early in his term.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

Russia is the one thing that sticks to Telfon Trump.

for one simple strange reason:

he danced around EVERY topic, was always all over the place, runs his mouth faster than usain bolt  and ......always stayed the same on russia, defending putin hard even while denying him with some lip service could haven been the easy thing to do.

as far as i remember, he pushed pence under the bus, let himself get slaughtered in a debate with hillary on that topic, got crushed by both scarborough and O'Reilly through silly answers for easy questions and generally always sounds like he is willing to die on this hill.

if all your public life is made of jello, the moment you bite on steel you wonder why.

-Trump does not openly give in to media pressure. He received a lot of economic hurt from being tough on immigration after his announcement. He kept on being tough on immigration. He is a man of the people, not the press or the elite. And there was no genuine anti-Russia sentiment among the American people.

[ApatheticAustrian]

. And there was no genuine anti-Russia sentiment among the American people.

obviously - but that doesn't mean it didn't cost him votes. if you are - for a change - defending your position on something, you are finally also going to lose some people. trump's victory message was always being so wobbly that "the people" could project their dreams into his hollow dream.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

. And there was no genuine anti-Russia sentiment among the American people.

obviously - but that doesn't mean it didn't cost him votes. if you are - for a change - defending your position on something, you are finally also going to lose some people. trump's victory message was always being so wobbly that "the people" could project their dreams into his hollow dream.

-The Russia issue lost Hillary votes, not Trump.