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« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2005, 09:42:11 pm »

Spitzer is the first New York politician since Teddy Roosevelt who, rather than tolerating the downright fraud in the state's business community, pursues and destroys corruption.

I think I just vomited in my mouth.

TR is one of my idols. Spitzer is no TR.
He's absolutely like TR.  Teddy's record of destroying corruption has stood unchallenged for decades.  Spitzer's the only politician who has even come close to Teddy's sheer force of will.
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« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2005, 09:45:31 pm »

Spitzer is the first New York politician since Teddy Roosevelt who, rather than tolerating the downright fraud in the state's business community, pursues and destroys corruption.

I think I just vomited in my mouth.

TR is one of my idols. Spitzer is no TR.
He's absolutely like TR.  Teddy's record of destroying corruption has stood unchallenged for decades.  Spitzer's the only politician who has even come close to Teddy's sheer force of will.

Nothing that Spitzer has done has even compared to TR's legacy in my opinion.
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« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2005, 09:50:16 pm »

Spitzer is the first New York politician since Teddy Roosevelt who, rather than tolerating the downright fraud in the state's business community, pursues and destroys corruption.

I think I just vomited in my mouth.

TR is one of my idols. Spitzer is no TR.
He's absolutely like TR.  Teddy's record of destroying corruption has stood unchallenged for decades.  Spitzer's the only politician who has even come close to Teddy's sheer force of will.

Nothing that Spitzer has done has even compared to TR's legacy in my opinion.
No other politician has even attempted to do anything to compare to TR's legacy.  Spitzer is by far the closest to meeting Teddy's challenge.
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« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2005, 10:19:09 pm »

Spitzer is the first New York politician since Teddy Roosevelt who, rather than tolerating the downright fraud in the state's business community, pursues and destroys corruption.

I think I just vomited in my mouth.

TR is one of my idols. Spitzer is no TR.
He's absolutely like TR.  Teddy's record of destroying corruption has stood unchallenged for decades.  Spitzer's the only politician who has even come close to Teddy's sheer force of will.

Nothing that Spitzer has done has even compared to TR's legacy in my opinion.
No other politician has even attempted to do anything to compare to TR's legacy.  Spitzer is by far the closest to meeting Teddy's challenge.

We could just keep going back and forth like this all day

"He's no TR!"
"Yes he is!"
"Nah-Uh"
"Uh-Huh"

Tongue
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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2005, 10:40:42 pm »

Spitzer is the first New York politician since Teddy Roosevelt who, rather than tolerating the downright fraud in the state's business community, pursues and destroys corruption.

I think I just vomited in my mouth.

TR is one of my idols. Spitzer is no TR.
He's absolutely like TR.  Teddy's record of destroying corruption has stood unchallenged for decades.  Spitzer's the only politician who has even come close to Teddy's sheer force of will.

Nothing that Spitzer has done has even compared to TR's legacy in my opinion.
No other politician has even attempted to do anything to compare to TR's legacy.  Spitzer is by far the closest to meeting Teddy's challenge.

We could just keep going back and forth like this all day

"He's no TR!"
"Yes he is!"
"Nah-Uh"
"Uh-Huh"

Tongue


How about this

He might not be TR, but he has done a hell of a job at cracking down on corruption
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« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2005, 10:54:16 pm »

About the only state government in the US that's worse than New York is New Jersey, and even I'm not so sure about that.  It's all about the system in both states; at least Maryland has a respectable, fairly democratic system, which is more than I can say for either of the two statesabove.

I sincerely doubt anyone will go about fixing the major institutional problems inherent within the system up there in Albany that leads to NY state residents being given the shaft constantly (regardless of who's in charge), but we can always be optimistic.

But, I wish Spitzer good luck in his moving up to the governorship and I hope he spends as much time trying to take away power from the power brokers in Albany as he does in going after businesses.

Hopefully, he doesn't get pulled down as a reformer of a terrible system like Pataki did (after the corruption of Mario Cuomo) in these last 12 years.
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« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2005, 11:16:22 pm »

Hopefully, he doesn't get pulled down as a reformer of a terrible system like Pataki did (after the corruption of Mario Cuomo) in these last 12 years.

Pataki inherited an incomprehensible mess and is giving his replacement a comprehensible mess.  That is some damn fine governoring right there.

If he had left after eight years he would be remembered as a great governor.  These last four years are definitely going to hurt his legacy, unless he can pound out a decent conclusion.
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« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2005, 11:21:29 pm »

Hopefully, he doesn't get pulled down as a reformer of a terrible system like Pataki did (after the corruption of Mario Cuomo) in these last 12 years.

Pataki inherited an incomprehensible mess and is giving his replacement a comprehensible mess.  That is some damn fine governoring right there.

lol.   Totally agree there.
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« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2005, 11:29:50 pm »

Hopefully, he doesn't get pulled down as a reformer of a terrible system like Pataki did (after the corruption of Mario Cuomo) in these last 12 years.

Pataki inherited an incomprehensible mess and is giving his replacement a comprehensible mess.  That is some damn fine governoring right there.

lol.   Totally agree there.

His downfall started shortly after his 3rd term began.  During the Campaign he touted the state ecconomy as being simply amazing & that he was going to do more in such areas as education funding & what not.  Then shortly after winning re-election it turns out that trhe state was in a financial crisis & he proposed various education cuts from Kindergarden all the way up to the state colleges, increased tuition at the state school after stating he wouldn't.  The Legsilature did fight him on this & the tuition increases, as well as education cuts were less than what he wanted & proposed, but this ultimatley started his downfall.
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« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2005, 11:33:50 pm »

If he had left after eight years he would be remembered as a great governor. 

That's what I always tell people. He overstayed his welcome.
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« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2005, 06:28:11 pm »
« Edited: July 28, 2005, 09:10:55 pm by dazzleman »

If he had left after eight years he would be remembered as a great governor. 

That's what I always tell people. He overstayed his welcome.

It's almost always a mistake to remain in the same office at the executive level for more than 2 terms.  Especially Pataki; I can't think of any accomplishments of his after his first term.  He just sold out and rested on his laurels after doing some very good things.

Rowland in Connecticut made the same mistake.  If he'd retired after 2 terms, he would never have gotten caught up in his corruption scandal, for which he is now in prison.

After his first term, Pataki was only marginally better than a Democrat, and that's not saying very much.  New York voters need to get a real taste of the party they love so much, with all the crime, overspending, high taxes, economic decline and what have you that is invariably brought on by this party.
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« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2005, 08:24:39 pm »

Run Rudy Run
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« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2005, 09:10:35 pm »

Would the CPNY let Rudy be their candidate too?

Just saying, Rudy didn't run with Conservative Party support as a Mayoral candidate. I can't find anything saying he could have gotten the Conservative Party in 2000 (before he dropped out)
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« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2005, 09:23:21 pm »


Silly to risk a potential loss with presidential aspirations on the line.  IT would be a fight with Spitzer and I'm not sure Rudy wants that, although I'd give him a 60% shot of winning.
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« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2005, 09:27:55 pm »


He's got too much of an ego. He think's he can be President rather than just Senator or Governor...
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« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2005, 09:38:05 pm »

That's ok. Rudy wants to run for President? Fine. He's not going far. We'll see how much that helps his ego.
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« Reply #41 on: July 28, 2005, 10:18:23 pm »

Hopefully Spitzer can coattail in a Democratic Senate.
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« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2005, 10:26:33 pm »

Would the CPNY let Rudy be their candidate too?

Just saying, Rudy didn't run with Conservative Party support as a Mayoral candidate. I can't find anything saying he could have gotten the Conservative Party in 2000 (before he dropped out)

He did get the Liberal party line as mayor.
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« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2005, 10:29:03 pm »

Absolutely, we are this close to complete Democratic domination of Albany.  At last our time has come to fix this state.

Or, if you're a Republican, at last our time has come to run this state into the ground, create a socialist republic, have strip clubs on every corner, and make the queers all powerful.
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« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2005, 10:38:54 pm »


Look at who you were responding to. Now think to yourself, "If he was a Democrat in control up in Albany, would he advocate such a thing?"

I think the answer is obvious.  Tongue
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« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2005, 10:44:38 pm »


Look at who you were responding to. Now think to yourself, "If he was a Democrat in control up in Albany, would he advocate such a thing?"

I think the answer is obvious.  Tongue
Luckily, BRTD is not Eliot Spitzer.

Or is he?  *shudder*
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« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2005, 10:54:25 pm »

Would the CPNY let Rudy be their candidate too?

Just saying, Rudy didn't run with Conservative Party support as a Mayoral candidate. I can't find anything saying he could have gotten the Conservative Party in 2000 (before he dropped out)

He did get the Liberal party line as mayor.

I don't know if the Liberals have a line after 2002
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« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2005, 06:34:25 am »

Absolutely, we are this close to complete Democratic domination of Albany.  At last our time has come to fix this state.

Or, if you're a Republican, at last our time has come to run this state into the ground, create a socialist republic, have strip clubs on every corner, and make the queers all powerful.

The latter is a more likely scenario.  Surely, there will be no progress in restraining state spending, restraining taxes, creating a better business environment, or controlling crime.  With NYC Democrats in control across the board, it will be catastrophic for the state.  On the bright side, it could create a lot of newly minted Republicans in that poor pathetic state.
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« Reply #48 on: July 29, 2005, 10:20:44 am »

By the way I think everyone whining about Guiliani is pretty foolish to automatically assume it's because he wants to run for president. Even he should be aware he has no chance. Rather he probably simply is done with politics, which wouldn't be suprising, as no NYC mayor since the 20s has won higher office later.
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« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2005, 03:56:08 am »

By the way I think everyone whining about Guiliani is pretty foolish to automatically assume it's because he wants to run for president. Even he should be aware he has no chance. Rather he probably simply is done with politics, which wouldn't be suprising, as no NYC mayor since the 20s has won higher office later.

Giuliani is VERY VERY stubborn that is something even the biggest Giuliani supporters will even admit.  I don't think he has a chance in hell of winning the GOP nomination (too socially liberal), but I think their is a good chance he will run thinking he does (& well just wanting to be Pres).  Its highly unlikely thathe will run for Gov or Senate, but he could run  for Pres in 08.  Then again he could just sitback not run & become richer because his company is making tons of $$$ right now
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