Why is NC all of a sudden a red state?
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« on: February 24, 2017, 07:11:23 PM »

It seems like the conventional wisdom now is that NC is a lot redder than we thought it was.  What changed?  Pat McCrory lost.  HB2 was unpopular.  What makes NC any redder than Virginia?
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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2017, 07:43:10 PM »
« Edited: February 24, 2017, 07:47:21 PM by Virginia »

It seems like the conventional wisdom now is that NC is a lot redder than we thought it was.  What changed?  Pat McCrory lost.  HB2 was unpopular.  What makes NC any redder than Virginia?

Define "a lot." NC is not that red but pretty politically polarized and thus has a stubborn Republican lean that isn't eroding nearly as fast as Virginia did. In regards to the question you are asking - I don't think the fact that McCrory lost and HB2 is unpopular mean as much as you may think.

Virginia is more well-educated, more diverse, has more voters born out-of-state, less rural voters and is more reliant on the federal government, something that constant GOP attacks on doesn't help. Democrats do a lot better with VA white college grads than NC white college grads as well, keeping in mind NC/VA had similar amounts of white college grad voters, but NC had 4% more non-college whites, which is what accounts for Democrats' better standing with white voters overall (in VA). Going by EP ideology stats, NC has markedly more voters identifying as conservative.

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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2017, 12:42:59 AM »

It was always a red state.
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2017, 12:56:58 AM »

But Obama relied more heavily on black voters in NC than in VA.

This, but also, Democrats who won statewide in NC relied on not getting mauled with WCWs, as there are many ancestral Dems across the state. In 2008, Obama lost the demographic by 34% while Hillary lost them by 44%. Not a huge difference, but when coupled with the suppression of the black vote in the state, it can swing the state towards Republicans when it was thought to go the other way.
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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2017, 01:37:39 PM »


-Bingo. Between 1980 and 2016, both Indiana and North Carolina cast their electoral votes for the Democratic nominee exactly once, and in the same year -2008.
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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2017, 03:13:13 PM »

NC is an inelastic swing state

it leans slightly Republican but it's trending Democrat (very slowly), as people have said we might see Democrats secure states like GA and AZ before NC
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