How much of a traumatizing and damaging effect would a Warren nomination have

[Progressive]

If Trump keeps his head in the game and remains focused on the important things like Ivanka's Nordstrom deal and typing in all caps so his base can understand what he Tweets then I'm sure he simply cannot lose.

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Bernie would traumatize the corrupt bankers more.

[Shadows]

If Donald Trump, a modern less violent Hitler can be POTUS then anyone can. And Ted Cruz another extremist homophobe is a major GOP leader.

I am pretty sure given that the fact GOP has not suffered massive damage, nothing will happen. You can nominate a convicted rapist, murdered or Weiner & get away with it!

[Virginiá]

Bernie would traumatize the corrupt bankers more.

Possibly, but he'll be 79 in 2020. I'd guess that 2016 was his only shot, regardless of what he hopes to do right now.

[krazen1211]

I don't see her as someone folks could view as a President.  A Senator, yes.  Indeed, Warren could be the next Senate Democratic Leader after Schumer.  

It would be funny to see Trump rip apart someone as stupid as Pocahontas.

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Who wants to have a beer with that nasty woman? You can see why candidates that Pocahontas campaigns for keep losing.

And that doesn't even start into the money problems....

Do people of your political persuasion have anything better to add than insults and baseless bold assertions? Your President, and future candidate, believes there are "alternative facts," never shuts up about his election performance, and presumably acquires his news from fringe conspiracy theory websites as he surrounds himself with editors of extraordinarily bigoted news publications, potentially treasonous collaborators with a hostile foreign power, and uses his position of power to shame companies that drop his "piece of ass" daughter's clothing line. I think you should focus on your own issues instead of worrying about someone like Sen. Warren.

What is this? Did you wake up on earth 2 where your dying political party actually won at anything?



Trump has killer instinct and this is a great time to elevate someone as grotesque as Pocahontas Warren. It is extremely smart to divide and conquer the Enemy.

[Tokugawa Sexgod Ieyasu]

My main concern about the "Pocahontas" thing isn't that it's in any way a fair or compelling line of attack from the right but that it might goad just enough Democratic primary voters into thinking Warren is ~problematic~.

[Vosem]

I still strongly suspect Warren doesn't even end up running, and defers to folks like Sanders and Gillibrand. There're plenty of more motivated people who have her ideals who are already hitting the ground running. If Warren does get pushed into running, I expect it to be a half-hearted effort that ends after the first few primaries. The spark just isn't there.

[Crumpets]

My main concern about the "Pocahontas" thing isn't that it's in any way a fair or compelling line of attack from the right but that it might goad just enough Democratic primary voters into thinking Warren is ~problematic~.

I've been feeling this way for a while too. It seems like "Benghazi!"'s little brother.

[Mr. Morden]

My main concern about the "Pocahontas" thing isn't that it's in any way a fair or compelling line of attack from the right but that it might goad just enough Democratic primary voters into thinking Warren is ~problematic~.

Do people really evaluate candidates' electability on such things directly though, or do they look at the polls to see who they think is electable?  If "Pocahontas" is an effective line, then we'll see it in GE polls before the primaries even start, since it doesn't look like Trump or other Republicans are going to wait until the nomination is decided before using the "Pocahontas" line.

I still strongly suspect Warren doesn't even end up running, and defers to folks like Sanders and Gillibrand. There're plenty of more motivated people who have her ideals who are already hitting the ground running. If Warren does get pushed into running, I expect it to be a half-hearted effort that ends after the first few primaries. The spark just isn't there.

If she's not interested in running, then why did she join the Armed Services Committee?  Senators rarely swap committee assignments, and this seems like a transparent attempt to beef up her national security credentials before a presidential run.

[Ridge]

Just how horrible would it be for Democrats if they nominated Elizabeth Warren for the Democrat nomination for president in 2020? Could they even recover from it?

If by "horrible" you mean "cool and awesome"...

Sorry, man, you'd be in for some Goldwater action if you nominated her.

[Figueira]

My main concern about the "Pocahontas" thing isn't that it's in any way a fair or compelling line of attack from the right but that it might goad just enough Democratic primary voters into thinking Warren is ~problematic~.

Do people really evaluate candidates' electability on such things directly though, or do they look at the polls to see who they think is electable?  If "Pocahontas" is an effective line, then we'll see it in GE polls before the primaries even start, since it doesn't look like Trump or other Republicans are going to wait until the nomination is decided before using the "Pocahontas" line.

I think Nathan's point is that someone on the left might think pretending to be Native American makes you inherently unfit for office (not that she really "pretended" to be Native American but it's perceived that way). I'm doubtful of how many of those people exist though.

[Vosem]

I still strongly suspect Warren doesn't even end up running, and defers to folks like Sanders and Gillibrand. There're plenty of more motivated people who have her ideals who are already hitting the ground running. If Warren does get pushed into running, I expect it to be a half-hearted effort that ends after the first few primaries. The spark just isn't there.

If she's not interested in running, then why did she join the Armed Services Committee?  Senators rarely swap committee assignments, and this seems like a transparent attempt to beef up her national security credentials before a presidential run.

Huh, I didn't know about this. Maybe it's actually happening, then.

[Tokugawa Sexgod Ieyasu]

My main concern about the "Pocahontas" thing isn't that it's in any way a fair or compelling line of attack from the right but that it might goad just enough Democratic primary voters into thinking Warren is ~problematic~.

Do people really evaluate candidates' electability on such things directly though, or do they look at the polls to see who they think is electable?  If "Pocahontas" is an effective line, then we'll see it in GE polls before the primaries even start, since it doesn't look like Trump or other Republicans are going to wait until the nomination is decided before using the "Pocahontas" line.

I think Nathan's point is that someone on the left might think pretending to be Native American makes you inherently unfit for office (not that she really "pretended" to be Native American but it's perceived that way). I'm doubtful of how many of those people exist though.

My specific point, as someone who isn't gaga over Warren but definitely likes her a lot better than most of the other possibilities, is that I'm worried it might cause the Democratic primary to develop some sort of racialized/"wokeness" dynamic, which in another situation and with another field of candidates might be a good thing but in this case would probably lead to Booker.

[Thunderbird is the word]

Just how horrible would it be for Democrats if they nominated Elizabeth Warren for the Democrat nomination for president in 2020? Could they even recover from it?

If by "horrible" you mean "cool and awesome"...

To me it would be pretty cool and awesome for me because I would love to see Trump win a 50 state landslide and have the Republicans sweep all the senate and congressional seats and have complete republican control for centuries

I hear the Brooklyn bridge is for sale

[ReaganLimbaugh]

I hope she does win the D nomination.  Somewhere between McGovern & Dukakis.

Generally, the same types of people who think she would win are the same that thought Hillary couldn't lose.

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