What would a Catholic version of BRTD be like?

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[White Trash]

He would REAAAALLLY like Pope Francis and be absolutely insufferable about it.

[Mr. Reactionary]

"Would you live in a house built before Vatican 2? I wouldn't."

"My King is alive and he sits on his earthly throne in Rome."

"So I've been self-flagellating lately and I had this thought ... "

[Antonio the Sixth]

He would REAAAALLLY like Pope Francis and be absolutely insufferable about it.

MY POPE IS ALIVE!!!

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I highly doubt I'd quote "My King is alive!" since it's from a song by a Christian hardcore band that is like basically all Christian hardcore bands, very Protestant.

(Ironically my absolute favorite one is the only one I've ever found with any type of Catholic influence at all, making some references to saints and in one song mentioning a rosary. The members however are all not Catholic.)

[Crumpets]

During Falklands War:

"Should British programs be banned from US Television? I was triggered on behalf of my Argentinian friends when I saw a Monty Python's Flying Circus rerun on TV yesterday."

[RINO Tom]

Even worse.

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You can see BRTD being constantly triggered by this for like 12 years.

[DavidB.]

Of course all this assumes that BRTD would indeed be an ALATT Hipster Catholic, which isn't necessarily true at all.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

very little of his personality is actually based or inspired on "hipster Christianity",

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Re: Opinion of Martin Luther « on: January 31, 1522 at 12:43:59 am » F[inks]ing subhuman garbage! I was triggered on behalf of my German Catholic friends when I saw a Württembergian sausage at the market place yesterday. Always will be the Holy Father to me:

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Of course all this assumes that BRTD would indeed be an ALATT Hipster Catholic, which isn't necessarily true at all.

Seeing as how hipster Catholics don't exist and you can't be Catholic and ALATT...

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His name is Rod Dreher, he writes for the American Conservative, and he had a book coming out soon. (I know that Dreher is Orthodox, not Catholic, but a Catholic BRTD would convert to Orthodox Christianity too.)

only if he met a cute Greek-American hipster girl that he wanted to be dommed by.

[RI]

He would REAAAALLLY like Pope Francis and be absolutely insufferable about it.

No, real trads would never like a modernist Jesuit like Francis. Death to the dubia!

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Of course all this assumes that BRTD would indeed be an ALATT Hipster Catholic, which isn't necessarily true at all.

Seeing as how hipster Catholics don't exist and you can't be Catholic and ALATT...

Dunno what you mean by "hipster", but there are certainly "muh refugees" style young liberal Catholics with "alternative" fashion and lifestyle choices (died hair counts as both) who are so happy to have this new liberal/inclusive Pope. Learn a little about the world around you, Zachary.

[TJ in Oregon]

Probably super into Stubenville conferences and JPII, honestly. He's the right age and those were the hip-ish Catholic things of the era. Pope Francis is more of an "it's complicated" Pope than a super-duper inspiring Pope, for virtually anyone paying attention.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Pope Francis is more of an "it's complicated" Pope than a super-duper inspiring Pope, for virtually anyone paying attention.

Oh come on. Whether you like him or not, you can't deny that his supporters are very passionate.

[RI]

Pope Francis is more of an "it's complicated" Pope than a super-duper inspiring Pope, for virtually anyone paying attention.

Oh come on. Whether you like him or not, you can't deny that his supporters are very passionate.

I've encountered far more Catholics vehemently against Pope Francis than vehemently in favor of him.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Pope Francis is more of an "it's complicated" Pope than a super-duper inspiring Pope, for virtually anyone paying attention.

Oh come on. Whether you like him or not, you can't deny that his supporters are very passionate.

I've encountered far more Catholics vehemently against Pope Francis than vehemently in favor of him.

I'm not saying it is so, but have you considered the possibility that the kind of Catholics you (and TJ) usually encounter are not representative of all Catholics?

[RI]

Pope Francis is more of an "it's complicated" Pope than a super-duper inspiring Pope, for virtually anyone paying attention.

Oh come on. Whether you like him or not, you can't deny that his supporters are very passionate.

I've encountered far more Catholics vehemently against Pope Francis than vehemently in favor of him.

I'm not saying it is so, but have you considered the possibility that the kind of Catholics you (and TJ) usually encounter are not representative of all Catholics?

I have little doubt that most Catholics have a generally favorable opinion of the Pope (as I do), but if there are large numbers of vehement Pope Francis supporters, I haven't encountered them. On the other hand, I've found plenty who really don't like him in places I wouldn't have expected.

I have heard some conjecture that the vehement anti-Francis mentality is primarily an American phenomenon, though.

[RI]

Pope Francis is more of an "it's complicated" Pope than a super-duper inspiring Pope, for virtually anyone paying attention.

Oh come on. Whether you like him or not, you can't deny that his supporters are very passionate.

I've encountered far more Catholics vehemently against Pope Francis than vehemently in favor of him.

I'm not saying it is so, but have you considered the possibility that the kind of Catholics you (and TJ) usually encounter are not representative of all Catholics?

I have little doubt that most Catholics have a generally favorable opinion of the Pope (as I do), but if there are large numbers of vehement Pope Francis supporters, I haven't encountered them. On the other hand, I've found plenty who really don't like him in places I wouldn't have expected.

I have heard some conjecture that the vehement anti-Francis mentality is primarily an American phenomenon, though.

Would you support a Communist, yet socially conservative Pope?

You'd have to really get into the weeds about what you mean by "Communist." Communism as an overarching ideology/worldview which makes claims about material reality/historical progression/materialist utopianism/etc. is incompatible with Catholicism, but many of its political tenets are not. If you're just asking whether I'd support a Pope who supports (what are in a secular context) very left-wing economic proposals, then yes, of course.

[RFayette]

Pope Francis is more of an "it's complicated" Pope than a super-duper inspiring Pope, for virtually anyone paying attention.

Oh come on. Whether you like him or not, you can't deny that his supporters are very passionate.

I've encountered far more Catholics vehemently against Pope Francis than vehemently in favor of him.

I'm not saying it is so, but have you considered the possibility that the kind of Catholics you (and TJ) usually encounter are not representative of all Catholics?

I have little doubt that most Catholics have a generally favorable opinion of the Pope (as I do), but if there are large numbers of vehement Pope Francis supporters, I haven't encountered them. On the other hand, I've found plenty who really don't like him in places I wouldn't have expected.

I have heard some conjecture that the vehement anti-Francis mentality is primarily an American phenomenon, though.

Would you support a Communist, yet socially conservative Pope?

You'd have to really get into the weeds about what you mean by "Communist." Communism as an overarching ideology/worldview which makes claims about material reality/historical progression/materialist utopianism/etc. is incompatible with Catholicism, but many of its political tenets are not. If you're just asking whether I'd support a Pope who supports (what are in a secular context) very left-wing economic proposals, then yes, of course.

What are your thoughts on the theory that the early Christians were basically utopian cultists? I think this theory became popular in the 1970s.

If anything, the case for them being apocalyptic cultists is far stronger, since many interpreted Matthew 24:34 literally and thought the Second Coming was imminent.

[RI]

There's always been a strain of utopian communalism in Christianity, but I'd strongly hesitate on using it as an overarching explanation. It is indeed related to the apocalyptic nature of Christianity; since the end is always viewed as potentially near, being attached to material possessions is pointless, potentially even dangerous (though one must resist the temptation to tip over into Gnosticism and hate the material world outright).

The Didache states:

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There's a clear emphasis in early Christianity on the essential nature of giving and sharing which has waned a bit in emphasis over time. Indeed, two of the most difficult precepts of Christianity to maintain in the modern world are "If any man take thy coat, give him thy shirt also" and "If any man smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other cheek also." Christian utopian communalism requires a near complete abnegation of the self, but then again it's hard to read Jesus as calling for much less. This is not to say communalism is a prerequisite, but it's certainly a perfectly valid manifestation of Christian thought.

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He would find a way to insert Bernie Sanders name into the Chaplet of Divine Mercy.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I wonder what music I would listen to.