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« on: January 30, 2017, 09:38:08 PM »


- Strong support for social safety net, generous expansion of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid
- Single payer health care
- "Welfare for Whites" - pour federal revenue into Appalachia
- A Christian left economic platform, decrying Social Darwinism as Satan's ideology
- A slew of new programs for the homeless, the hungry, and the sick - reinterpretation of the Bible from almost a socialistic point of view

- Heavily campaigning in rural, white America
- Pro-gun, pro-life, pro-God in public life
- Bring back school prayer, end "War on Christmas"
- Nationalistic and patriotic
- Strong support for veterans with PTSD
- Tough on Russia, tough on crime

This party would be anti-Trump.

This party is like bringing George Wallace, Ross Perot, Ronald Reagan, Huey Long, FDR, and William Jennings Bryan together.

Could this party be viable?
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2017, 09:42:17 PM »

I can see it doing well in areas that voted Clinton in '96 but Trump in '16, sure. Sounds like it would only be a marginal improvement on Trumpism, though.
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2017, 10:26:53 PM »

I'd be a complete and total hack for this party.
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2017, 10:31:58 PM »

Well, at least the two main parties will be more liberty-minded...
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2017, 10:38:19 PM »

This party looks pretty good. If only it was real.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2017, 10:41:13 PM »

Can we just have this already?

I think it would probably be viable regionally. Potential for some senate power, maybe a few governorships. Enough to influence the two major parties, at the least.
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2017, 10:54:41 PM »

It's strength would vary dramatically. WV might be a one party state for this party, but it might not exist  at all in northern New England.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2017, 11:09:50 PM »

MS, WV they win elections.
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2017, 11:10:18 PM »


- Strong support for social safety net, generous expansion of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid
- Single payer health care
- "Welfare for Whites" - pour federal revenue into Appalachia
- A Christian left economic platform, decrying Social Darwinism as Satan's ideology
- A slew of new programs for the homeless, the hungry, and the sick - reinterpretation of the Bible from almost a socialistic point of view

- Heavily campaigning in rural, white America
- Pro-gun, pro-life, pro-God in public life
- Bring back school prayer, end "War on Christmas"
- Nationalistic and patriotic
- Strong support for veterans with PTSD
- Tough on Russia, tough on crime

This party would be anti-Trump.

This party is like bringing George Wallace, Ross Perot, Ronald Reagan, Huey Long, FDR, and William Jennings Bryan together.

Could this party be viable?

So...Rick Santorum's career?
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2017, 11:11:03 PM »

I would vote for this party against the likes of Hillary Clinton and her ilk
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2017, 07:23:28 AM »


- Strong support for social safety net, generous expansion of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid
- Single payer health care
- "Welfare for Whites" - pour federal revenue into Appalachia
- A Christian left economic platform, decrying Social Darwinism as Satan's ideology
- A slew of new programs for the homeless, the hungry, and the sick - reinterpretation of the Bible from almost a socialistic point of view

- Heavily campaigning in rural, white America
- Pro-gun, pro-life, pro-God in public life
- Bring back school prayer, end "War on Christmas"
- Nationalistic and patriotic
- Strong support for veterans with PTSD
- Tough on Russia, tough on crime

This party would be anti-Trump.

This party is like bringing George Wallace, Ross Perot, Ronald Reagan, Huey Long, FDR, and William Jennings Bryan together.

Could this party be viable?

So...Rick Santorum's career?
Santorum was in no way a leftist economically.
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2017, 07:27:45 AM »

Democrats wouldn't go for it, but it's interesting to propose such an idea.  I think for the left to get behind anything you need to talk about global warming and transgender bathrooms while saying factually incorrect things about Trump. They don't care about anything else. Come to think of it I'd only support a voluntary school prayer and I'm pro-guns for the most part.  Of course everyone should support helping our veterans.  What do you mean by Christian-left economic platform though?  This sounds interesting but not like something I'd sign up for just yet.
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2017, 08:28:32 AM »

Ew. I'd be in total opposition of this party. Especially 'white welfare', heavy left economics and extreme religiousness. But yeah, I guess it could gain some viability in places like West Virginia.
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2017, 09:10:01 AM »


- Strong support for social safety net, generous expansion of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid
- Single payer health care
- "Welfare for Whites" - pour federal revenue into Appalachia
- A Christian left economic platform, decrying Social Darwinism as Satan's ideology
- A slew of new programs for the homeless, the hungry, and the sick - reinterpretation of the Bible from almost a socialistic point of view

- Heavily campaigning in rural, white America
- Pro-gun, pro-life, pro-God in public life
- Bring back school prayer, end "War on Christmas"
- Nationalistic and patriotic
- Strong support for veterans with PTSD
- Tough on Russia, tough on crime

This party would be anti-Trump.

This party is like bringing George Wallace, Ross Perot, Ronald Reagan, Huey Long, FDR, and William Jennings Bryan together.

Could this party be viable?

So...Rick Santorum's career?
Santorum was in no way a leftist economically.
His votes would beg to differ. Voted against NAFTA, voted for several tariffs, voted to increase the federal minimum wage a bunch of times (in fact sponsored the amendment in the senate), voted for Medicare expansion, voted for prevailing wage pre-exemptions, voted for union strike protection, and dumped tons of pork into his state for years.

If you actually look at Santorum's record, not what his presidential campaign said he was a pretty big government politician, with some pretty left economic votes.
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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2017, 09:20:14 AM »


- Strong support for social safety net, generous expansion of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid
- Single payer health care
- "Welfare for Whites" - pour federal revenue into Appalachia
- A Christian left economic platform, decrying Social Darwinism as Satan's ideology
- A slew of new programs for the homeless, the hungry, and the sick - reinterpretation of the Bible from almost a socialistic point of view

- Heavily campaigning in rural, white America
- Pro-gun, pro-life, pro-God in public life
- Bring back school prayer, end "War on Christmas"
- Nationalistic and patriotic
- Strong support for veterans with PTSD
- Tough on Russia, tough on crime

This party would be anti-Trump.

This party is like bringing George Wallace, Ross Perot, Ronald Reagan, Huey Long, FDR, and William Jennings Bryan together.

Could this party be viable?

So...Rick Santorum's career?
Santorum was in no way a leftist economically.
His votes would beg to differ. Voted against NAFTA, voted for several tariffs, voted to increase the federal minimum wage a bunch of times (in fact sponsored the amendment in the senate), voted for Medicare expansion, voted for prevailing wage pre-exemptions, voted for union strike protection, and dumped tons of pork into his state for years.

If you actually look at Santorum's record, not what his presidential campaign said he was a pretty big government politician, with some pretty left economic votes.

Difference between trying to win re-election in Pennsylvania and being a liberal Democrat.
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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2017, 09:24:02 AM »


- Strong support for social safety net, generous expansion of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid
- Single payer health care
- "Welfare for Whites" - pour federal revenue into Appalachia
- A Christian left economic platform, decrying Social Darwinism as Satan's ideology
- A slew of new programs for the homeless, the hungry, and the sick - reinterpretation of the Bible from almost a socialistic point of view

- Heavily campaigning in rural, white America
- Pro-gun, pro-life, pro-God in public life
- Bring back school prayer, end "War on Christmas"
- Nationalistic and patriotic
- Strong support for veterans with PTSD
- Tough on Russia, tough on crime

This party would be anti-Trump.

This party is like bringing George Wallace, Ross Perot, Ronald Reagan, Huey Long, FDR, and William Jennings Bryan together.

Could this party be viable?

So...Rick Santorum's career?
Santorum was in no way a leftist economically.
His votes would beg to differ. Voted against NAFTA, voted for several tariffs, voted to increase the federal minimum wage a bunch of times (in fact sponsored the amendment in the senate), voted for Medicare expansion, voted for prevailing wage pre-exemptions, voted for union strike protection, and dumped tons of pork into his state for years.

If you actually look at Santorum's record, not what his presidential campaign said he was a pretty big government politician, with some pretty left economic votes.

Difference between trying to win re-election in Pennsylvania and being a liberal Democrat.

He does make it seem that there was very little seperating him and Bob Casey though Bob Casey might be a little more secular and is probably more secular now.
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2017, 09:50:55 AM »
« Edited: January 31, 2017, 09:53:38 AM by Rjjr77 »


- Strong support for social safety net, generous expansion of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid
- Single payer health care
- "Welfare for Whites" - pour federal revenue into Appalachia
- A Christian left economic platform, decrying Social Darwinism as Satan's ideology
- A slew of new programs for the homeless, the hungry, and the sick - reinterpretation of the Bible from almost a socialistic point of view

- Heavily campaigning in rural, white America
- Pro-gun, pro-life, pro-God in public life
- Bring back school prayer, end "War on Christmas"
- Nationalistic and patriotic
- Strong support for veterans with PTSD
- Tough on Russia, tough on crime

This party would be anti-Trump.

This party is like bringing George Wallace, Ross Perot, Ronald Reagan, Huey Long, FDR, and William Jennings Bryan together.

Could this party be viable?

So...Rick Santorum's career?
Santorum was in no way a leftist economically.
His votes would beg to differ. Voted against NAFTA, voted for several tariffs, voted to increase the federal minimum wage a bunch of times (in fact sponsored the amendment in the senate), voted for Medicare expansion, voted for prevailing wage pre-exemptions, voted for union strike protection, and dumped tons of pork into his state for years.

If you actually look at Santorum's record, not what his presidential campaign said he was a pretty big government politician, with some pretty left economic votes.

Difference between trying to win re-election in Pennsylvania and being a liberal Democrat.

Except it's the entirety of his career, from being a congressman and being a senator. He's voted consistently as a more economic liberal. With the exception of universal health care his career in elected office fits this description .

And is there a difference? If you're voting to the left on spending and economic issues doesn't that make you a politician to the left on spending and economics? I don't care what a politician believes I care what they vote.
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2017, 09:57:06 AM »

The psycho social stances would be horrifying, and I get the feeling that their version of economic "progressivism" wouldn't be very pragmatic.
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2017, 10:09:31 AM »


- Strong support for social safety net, generous expansion of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid
- Single payer health care
- "Welfare for Whites" - pour federal revenue into Appalachia
- A Christian left economic platform, decrying Social Darwinism as Satan's ideology
- A slew of new programs for the homeless, the hungry, and the sick - reinterpretation of the Bible from almost a socialistic point of view

- Heavily campaigning in rural, white America
- Pro-gun, pro-life, pro-God in public life
- Bring back school prayer, end "War on Christmas"
- Nationalistic and patriotic
- Strong support for veterans with PTSD
- Tough on Russia, tough on crime

This party would be anti-Trump.

This party is like bringing George Wallace, Ross Perot, Ronald Reagan, Huey Long, FDR, and William Jennings Bryan together.

Could this party be viable?

So...Rick Santorum's career?
Santorum was in no way a leftist economically.
His votes would beg to differ. Voted against NAFTA, voted for several tariffs, voted to increase the federal minimum wage a bunch of times (in fact sponsored the amendment in the senate), voted for Medicare expansion, voted for prevailing wage pre-exemptions, voted for union strike protection, and dumped tons of pork into his state for years.

If you actually look at Santorum's record, not what his presidential campaign said he was a pretty big government politician, with some pretty left economic votes.

Difference between trying to win re-election in Pennsylvania and being a liberal Democrat.

Except it's the entirety of his career, from being a congressman and being a senator. He's voted consistently as a more economic liberal. With the exception of universal health care his career in elected office fits this description .

And is there a difference? If you're voting to the left on spending and economic issues doesn't that make you a politician to the left on spending and economics? I don't care what a politician believes I care what they vote.

If we all judged candidates on their votes and what they do to please the current voters they're trying to appeal to, people would talk about Hillary Clinton as a far-lefty on economics with a strong protectionist bent.
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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2017, 10:20:04 AM »


- Strong support for social safety net, generous expansion of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid
- Single payer health care
- "Welfare for Whites" - pour federal revenue into Appalachia
- A Christian left economic platform, decrying Social Darwinism as Satan's ideology
- A slew of new programs for the homeless, the hungry, and the sick - reinterpretation of the Bible from almost a socialistic point of view

- Heavily campaigning in rural, white America
- Pro-gun, pro-life, pro-God in public life
- Bring back school prayer, end "War on Christmas"
- Nationalistic and patriotic
- Strong support for veterans with PTSD
- Tough on Russia, tough on crime

This party would be anti-Trump.

This party is like bringing George Wallace, Ross Perot, Ronald Reagan, Huey Long, FDR, and William Jennings Bryan together.

Could this party be viable?

So...Rick Santorum's career?
Santorum was in no way a leftist economically.
His votes would beg to differ. Voted against NAFTA, voted for several tariffs, voted to increase the federal minimum wage a bunch of times (in fact sponsored the amendment in the senate), voted for Medicare expansion, voted for prevailing wage pre-exemptions, voted for union strike protection, and dumped tons of pork into his state for years.

If you actually look at Santorum's record, not what his presidential campaign said he was a pretty big government politician, with some pretty left economic votes.

Difference between trying to win re-election in Pennsylvania and being a liberal Democrat.

Except it's the entirety of his career, from being a congressman and being a senator. He's voted consistently as a more economic liberal. With the exception of universal health care his career in elected office fits this description .

And is there a difference? If you're voting to the left on spending and economic issues doesn't that make you a politician to the left on spending and economics? I don't care what a politician believes I care what they vote.

If we all judged candidates on their votes and what they do to please the current voters they're trying to appeal to, people would talk about Hillary Clinton as a far-lefty on economics with a strong protectionist bent.

Why are we not doing that again?
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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2017, 12:14:34 PM »


- Strong support for social safety net, generous expansion of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid
- Single payer health care
- "Welfare for Whites" - pour federal revenue into Appalachia
- A Christian left economic platform, decrying Social Darwinism as Satan's ideology
- A slew of new programs for the homeless, the hungry, and the sick - reinterpretation of the Bible from almost a socialistic point of view

- Heavily campaigning in rural, white America
- Pro-gun, pro-life, pro-God in public life
- Bring back school prayer, end "War on Christmas"
- Nationalistic and patriotic
- Strong support for veterans with PTSD
- Tough on Russia, tough on crime

This party would be anti-Trump.

This party is like bringing George Wallace, Ross Perot, Ronald Reagan, Huey Long, FDR, and William Jennings Bryan together.

Could this party be viable?

So...Rick Santorum's career?
Santorum was in no way a leftist economically.
His votes would beg to differ. Voted against NAFTA, voted for several tariffs, voted to increase the federal minimum wage a bunch of times (in fact sponsored the amendment in the senate), voted for Medicare expansion, voted for prevailing wage pre-exemptions, voted for union strike protection, and dumped tons of pork into his state for years.

If you actually look at Santorum's record, not what his presidential campaign said he was a pretty big government politician, with some pretty left economic votes.

Difference between trying to win re-election in Pennsylvania and being a liberal Democrat.

Except it's the entirety of his career, from being a congressman and being a senator. He's voted consistently as a more economic liberal. With the exception of universal health care his career in elected office fits this description .

And is there a difference? If you're voting to the left on spending and economic issues doesn't that make you a politician to the left on spending and economics? I don't care what a politician believes I care what they vote.

If we all judged candidates on their votes and what they do to please the current voters they're trying to appeal to, people would talk about Hillary Clinton as a far-lefty on economics with a strong protectionist bent.

Why are we not doing that again?

Not saying we shouldn't, but people here do it very selectively (and conveniently).
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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2017, 12:40:59 PM »

If only...
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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2017, 04:20:29 PM »

Too far left for most Americans, and highly doubtful it gets much support among Evangelicals (Evangelical churches don't generally teach that Jesus had much of an opinion about the state).

Americans don't want single payer. Even most Democrats don't want single payer. Check out what happened with ColoradoCare even as Hillary carried the state handily.
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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2017, 04:25:35 PM »

If you're "pro-God in public life" you're not progressive. Sorry. That's some right-wing stuff.
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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2017, 04:25:56 PM »

If you're "pro-God in public life" you're not progressive. Sorry. That's some right-wing stuff.
Because economic issues don't matter, right?
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