Are white evangelicals the biggest hypocrites?

[pppolitics]

Are white evangelicals the biggest hypocrites?

They supposedly vote based religious and moral values, yet they overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

EDIT: I am specifically taking about the ones who voted for Trump.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

No, Trump was the better choice than Clinton for protecting values in society.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Hypocrisy implies deliberate dishonesty. I think the religious right honestly believes its f**ked up rationalization.

[pppolitics]

No, Trump was the better choice than Clinton for protecting values in society.

You mean like cheating on their spouses and mocking people with disability?

How very Christian of them!

[Santander]

Hillary may be a better Christian, but Trump will stand up for our values better.

[pppolitics]

Hillary may be a better Christian, but Trump will stand up for our values better.

The Mormons at least have some integrity.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

They're generally hypocritical, but not in being #NeverHillary

[pppolitics]

They're generally hypocritical, but not in being #NeverHillary

There are other candidates other than Hillary and Trump on the ballot.

[RFayette]

Yes, but it has nothing to do with their political preferences, but rather the nature of Christianity itself and what hypocrisy is - professing to believe in a standard and then not reaching it. 

Following Jesus is hard, and attempting to live a holy life without sin is always going to result in you following short.  Hypocrisy is inevitable if getting angry at someone is counted as murder, looking at a woman with lust is adultery, and nobody truly loves their neighbor as themselves every minute .  It's impossible to live up to God's perfect standards found in the New Testament, which are far tougher than simply following a set of rules.  And naturally as fallen human beings we will fall short of these perfect standards, so if we believe them, we're going to fall short.  Conversely, if one doesn't believe in the New Testament, or takes a liberal or figurative view of it, their moral bar will be one easier to meet and thus you won't be a hypocrite in that sense.

[(Still) muted by Kalwejt until March 31]

They're generally hypocritical, but not in being #NeverHillary

There are other candidates other than Hillary and Trump on the ballot.

-In the primary, yes. In the general, protest voting is usually reserved for those who think both candidates will do grave national harm.

[pppolitics]

-In the primary, yes. In the general, protest voting is usually reserved for those who think both candidates will do grave national harm.

Well, there is not much else I can say since you already agreed that white Evangelicals are hypocrites.

[Cashew]

It really depends. I wouldn't say it is as much hypocrisy as it is denial that they are engaging in consequentialist behavior, despite the fact that is exactly what it is if you know who Trump really is. Of course that is not counting those who self delude into thinking that Trump is a honorable man.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I didn't vote for Trump.

[pppolitics]

I didn't vote for Trump.

Let me rephrase that.

Are white evangelicals (who voted for Trump) the biggest hypocrites?

[RI]

It really depends. I wouldn't say it is as much hypocrisy as it is denial that they are engaging in consequentialist behavior, despite the fact that is exactly what it is if you know who Trump really is. Of course that is not counting those who self delude into thinking that Trump is a honorable man.

You think evangelicals care about (or know of) consequentialism? That's never been my impression.

[Cashew]

The notion that evangelicals were choosing between the lesser of two evils in Trump because of Hillary's abortion or other stands is absurd.  Do you remember there was that whole primary before the general election where Trump cleaned up against people with even more anti-abortion views, etc. 

1.Ted Cruz won among those with higher church attendance.

2. Do you find it inconceivable that individual evangelicals may have different priorities than abortion?

[Cashew]

The notion that evangelicals were choosing between the lesser of two evils in Trump because of Hillary's abortion or other stands is absurd.  Do you remember there was that whole primary before the general election where Trump cleaned up against people with even more anti-abortion views, etc.  

1.Ted Cruz won among those with higher church attendance.

2. Do you find it inconceivable that individual evangelicals may have different priorities than abortion?

Yes I do, for the following reason.  To these individuals, abortion is allegedly murder.  You are telling me they are going to prioritize gay marriage or other issues over murder?

You severely underestimate the number of cafeteria evangelicals. I can put "conservative" (yes I know it is a generalization) evangelicals in 3 main groups.



1. Principled evangelical like Russel Moore, who value consistency and credibility.

2. Consequentialists like Wayne Grudem who will defend Trump no matter what as long as he gives them what they want politically (Abortion).

3. Evangelicals whose lives do not revolve around their church, and may prioritize a border wall, or their bottom line.

[Cashew]

The notion that evangelicals were choosing between the lesser of two evils in Trump because of Hillary's abortion or other stands is absurd.  Do you remember there was that whole primary before the general election where Trump cleaned up against people with even more anti-abortion views, etc.  

1.Ted Cruz won among those with higher church attendance.

2. Do you find it inconceivable that individual evangelicals may have different priorities than abortion?

Yes I do, for the following reason.  To these individuals, abortion is allegedly murder.  You are telling me they are going to prioritize gay marriage or other issues over murder?

You severely underestimate the number of cafeteria evangelicals. I can put "conservative" (yes I know it is a generalization) evangelicals in 3 main groups.



1. Principled evangelical like Russel Moore, who value consistency and credibility.

2. Consequentialists like Wayne Grudem who will defend Trump no matter what as long as he gives them what they want politically (Abortion).

3. Evangelicals whose lives do not revolve around their church, and may prioritize a border wall, or their bottom line.

and how are 2 and 3 not hypocrites per OP's q?

Admittedly this does look terrible, because...well it is.

Nevertheless nuance is needed. There are a significant amount of Christians who sincerely believe in consequentalism, regardless of whether or not it is scripturally correct. Having a consistently wrong belief is not hypocrisy.

Again, it was never my intention to defend the actions of the majority here, but the belief that white evangelicals are this monolithic block with unified beliefs remains absurd.

[Inmate Trump]

I feel like if this thread involved black evangelicals instead of white evangelicals, it would be taken down.

Yay, let's call an entire group of people stupid because they don't like the same candidates we do.

There was only one candidate who supported policies opposite of what Christ taught.

Oddly enough that is who evangelicals flocked to in droves.

[pppolitics]

I feel like if this thread involved black evangelicals instead of white evangelicals, it would be taken down.

Yay, let's call an entire group of people stupid because they don't like the same candidates we do.

I said that they (the ones that voted for Trump) are hypocrites.

I didn't say that they are stupid, although I am not denying that some of them are.

[Young Conservative]

Supporting a candidate with personal moral failings but good policies is not immoral. This thread is emblematic of why democrats continually shed support among Thai group.

[pppolitics]

Supporting a candidate with personal moral failings but good policies is not immoral. This thread is emblematic of why democrats continually shed support among Thai group.

hypocrisy at its finest

[RFayette]

I feel like if this thread involved black evangelicals instead of white evangelicals, it would be taken down.

Yay, let's call an entire group of people stupid because they don't like the same candidates we do.

There was only one candidate who supported policies opposite of what Christ taught.

Oddly enough that is who evangelicals flocked to in droves.

Christ did not teach moral policies of the government, if you are talking about the "red letters," so I don't see how you can say that government policy has anything to do with teachings on individual morality by Jesus.  Besides, if John 1 is to be believed, then Christ (and the Holy Spirit, which is God along with the son) is the author of the whole Bible.  This isn't to excuse Trump's immorality, and I was not a supporter of him, but if you think that Christianity demands nonviolence on the part of the government, then that directly contradicts Romans 13:4 as well as pro-capitalist verses such as 2 Thessalonians 3:10.

[Intell]

I feel like if this thread involved black evangelicals instead of white evangelicals, it would be taken down.

Yay, let's call an entire group of people stupid because they don't like the same candidates we do.

There was only one candidate who supported policies opposite of what Christ taught.

Oddly enough that is who evangelicals flocked to in droves.

Christ did not teach moral policies of the government, if you are talking about the "red letters," so I don't see how you can say that government policy has anything to do with teachings on individual morality by Jesus.  Besides, if John 1 is to be believed, then Christ (and the Holy Spirit, which is God along with the son) is the author of the whole Bible.  This isn't to excuse Trump's immorality, and I was not a supporter of him, but if you think that Christianity demands nonviolence on the part of the government, then that directly contradicts Romans 13:4 as well as pro-capitalist verses such as 2 Thessalonians 3:10.

I'm just going to point this out;

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+24%3A10-22&version=ESV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+28%3A8&version=ESV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+15%3A10-11&version=ESV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+18%3A22-25&version=ESV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+112%3A9&version=ESV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19%3A21&version=ESV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+2%3A44-45&version=ESV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+18%3A22-25&version=ESV

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Timothy-6-10/

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/James-5-1_5-6/

[RFayette]

I feel like if this thread involved black evangelicals instead of white evangelicals, it would be taken down.

Yay, let's call an entire group of people stupid because they don't like the same candidates we do.

There was only one candidate who supported policies opposite of what Christ taught.

Oddly enough that is who evangelicals flocked to in droves.

Christ did not teach moral policies of the government, if you are talking about the "red letters," so I don't see how you can say that government policy has anything to do with teachings on individual morality by Jesus.  Besides, if John 1 is to be believed, then Christ (and the Holy Spirit, which is God along with the son) is the author of the whole Bible.  This isn't to excuse Trump's immorality, and I was not a supporter of him, but if you think that Christianity demands nonviolence on the part of the government, then that directly contradicts Romans 13:4 as well as pro-capitalist verses such as 2 Thessalonians 3:10.

I'm just going to point this out;

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+24%3A10-22&version=ESV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+28%3A8&version=ESV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+15%3A10-11&version=ESV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+18%3A22-25&version=ESV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+112%3A9&version=ESV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19%3A21&version=ESV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+2%3A44-45&version=ESV

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+18%3A22-25&version=ESV

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Timothy-6-10/

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/James-5-1_5-6/

These verses certainly show that Trump does not bear the marks of a true Christian, but virtually none of them have to do with government policy.  I am not arguing in defense of Trump the man, but rather what the Christian view of government is, which I would assert is vastly different than the responsibility of individual Christians.