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« on: January 24, 2017, 07:10:00 PM »

Could this be the climate on November 6, 2018, or on November 3, 2020?  I read this http://www.allsides.com/news/2017-01-24-0835/why-when-trump-says-america-first-much-world-worries.

and frankly it scares me.  Trump sounds like a completely different President than we have had since World War II.  What if he takes us into war?  I think it's very likely: the question, of course, then is who do we go to war with?  And would it become a war with three different countries fighting?

I'm not being an alarmist, I'm being practical and realistic.  This could happen.  I think everyone underestimated how smart Trump actually is.  And what he has is a new world order.
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2017, 07:11:55 PM »

Could this be the climate on November 6, 2018, or on November 3, 2020?  I read this http://www.allsides.com/news/2017-01-24-0835/why-when-trump-says-america-first-much-world-worries.

and frankly it scares me.  Trump sounds like a completely different President than we have had since World War II.  What if he takes us into war?  I think it's very likely: the question, of course, then is who do we go to war with?  And would it become a war with three different countries fighting?

I'm not being an alarmist, I'm being practical and realistic.  This could happen.  I think everyone underestimated how smart Trump actually is.  And what he has is a new world order.

The last president who used Trumpesque populist rhetoric in his inauguration speech was Bill Clinton. The last president who used Trumpesque trade and immigration rhetoric in his inauguration speech was Calvin Coolidge. I'm not worried. I don't see why you are.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2017, 10:04:37 PM »

Could this be the climate on November 6, 2018, or on November 3, 2020?  I read this http://www.allsides.com/news/2017-01-24-0835/why-when-trump-says-america-first-much-world-worries.

and frankly it scares me.  Trump sounds like a completely different President than we have had since World War II.  What if he takes us into war?  I think it's very likely: the question, of course, then is who do we go to war with?  And would it become a war with three different countries fighting?

The concerns raised in that story seem to be more about worries that Trump would shy away from using force (by ignoring longstanding alliances and not defending allies) rather than using too much force.  To the extent that Trump even has any coherent ideas on foreign policy, they seem to be Jacksonian, meaning that if he does attack another country, he’s probably going to bomb it from the air, and not care about the political situation on the ground.

This may be boneheadedly reckless, but in terms of domestic political fallout….I'd say that the unpopular part of war is American casualties.  Bombing isn't unpopular, because few of the American pilots will die.  But occupying armies can lead to American casualties, and that's what can be politically risky.  Trump doesn't care about democracy promotion or nation building, so he's likely to bomb places without leaving occupying armies, which presumably will minimize the domestic political blowback.
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2017, 10:19:13 PM »

There will be a recession at some point in the next four years, economists say it may happen sometime in 2019.
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2017, 10:41:26 PM »

There will be a recession at some point in the next four years, economists say it may happen sometime in 2019.
At the latest.
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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2017, 11:59:33 PM »

Could this be the climate on November 6, 2018, or on November 3, 2020?  I read this http://www.allsides.com/news/2017-01-24-0835/why-when-trump-says-america-first-much-world-worries.

and frankly it scares me.  Trump sounds like a completely different President than we have had since World War II.  What if he takes us into war?  I think it's very likely: the question, of course, then is who do we go to war with?  And would it become a war with three different countries fighting?

I'm not being an alarmist, I'm being practical and realistic.  This could happen.  I think everyone underestimated how smart Trump actually is.  And what he has is a new world order.

The last president who used Trumpesque populist rhetoric in his inauguration speech was Bill Clinton. The last president who used Trumpesque trade and immigration rhetoric in his inauguration speech was Calvin Coolidge. I'm not worried. I don't see why you are.

Because rhetoric used in inauguration speeches is the sole determiner of policy? One could just as easily say "The last president to run on a platform of focusing on America before the rest of the world was George Bush. The last president to run as the 'law and order' candidate and claim the support of the silent majority was Nixon."
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2017, 04:36:02 PM »

Could this be the climate on November 6, 2018, or on November 3, 2020?  I read this http://www.allsides.com/news/2017-01-24-0835/why-when-trump-says-america-first-much-world-worries.

and frankly it scares me.  Trump sounds like a completely different President than we have had since World War II.  What if he takes us into war?  I think it's very likely: the question, of course, then is who do we go to war with?  And would it become a war with three different countries fighting?

I'm not being an alarmist, I'm being practical and realistic.  This could happen.  I think everyone underestimated how smart Trump actually is.  And what he has is a new world order.

The last president who used Trumpesque populist rhetoric in his inauguration speech was Bill Clinton. The last president who used Trumpesque trade and immigration rhetoric in his inauguration speech was Calvin Coolidge. I'm not worried. I don't see why you are.

Because rhetoric used in inauguration speeches is the sole determiner of policy? One could just as easily say "The last president to run on a platform of focusing on America before the rest of the world was George Bush. The last president to run as the 'law and order' candidate and claim the support of the silent majority was Nixon."

-I think we can all agree Trump is a definite rejection of Bush. Yes; Richard Nixon failed at curbing the crime and violence of the late 1960s, as Trump may well be, and was first elected without the support of a popular vote majority.
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