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« Reply #150 on: April 16, 2017, 12:27:21 PM »

Expat vote via Europe Elects

Italy
Yes: 32%
No: 68%

Spain
Yes: 19%
No: 81%

Austria
Yes: 74%
No: 26%

UK
Yes: 20%
No: 80%

Greece
Yes: 34%
No: 66%

Hungary
Yes: 23%
No: 77%

Sweden
Yes: 37%
No: 63%

Netherlands
Yes: 71%
No: 29%

Would like to see Belgium, although I have a pretty good idea how it will turn out.
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« Reply #151 on: April 16, 2017, 12:27:24 PM »


is that joking or real?
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« Reply #152 on: April 16, 2017, 12:29:18 PM »

The Turkish executive branch should be more powerful, but...this constitution goes too far in that direction. Nonetheless the country is quite probably better off that Yes is winning.

the country is practically eliminating the separation of powers and any kind of accountability for the government.
Well the current constitution is parliamentary supremacy, which I don't see as ideal either.
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« Reply #153 on: April 16, 2017, 12:29:30 PM »

Would like to see Belgium, although I have a pretty good idea how it will turn out.

Scroll down to the World Map and you'll see that Belgium is currently at 78% Yes, with 24% counted.

http://www.yenisafak.com/secim-referandum-2017/secim-sonuclari
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« Reply #154 on: April 16, 2017, 12:30:53 PM »

The Turkish executive branch should be more powerful, but...this constitution goes too far in that direction. Nonetheless the country is quite probably better off that Yes is winning.

the country is practically eliminating the separation of powers and any kind of accountability for the government.
Well the current constitution is parliamentary supremacy, which I don't see as ideal either.

there is no practical supremacy and the congress is in the US is kind of almighty too in theory.

erdogan is anyway ruling alone and crushing whoever feels like resisting.
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« Reply #155 on: April 16, 2017, 12:33:12 PM »

what will eu do now
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« Reply #156 on: April 16, 2017, 12:33:49 PM »

Well...  This was expected.
Fantastic. The Landslide Lyndon style.
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« Reply #157 on: April 16, 2017, 12:34:13 PM »

The Turkish executive branch should be more powerful, but...this constitution goes too far in that direction. Nonetheless the country is quite probably better off that Yes is winning.

the country is practically eliminating the separation of powers and any kind of accountability for the government.
Well the current constitution is parliamentary supremacy, which I don't see as ideal either.

there is no practical supremacy and the congress is in the US is kind of almighty too in theory.

erdogan is anyway ruling alone and crushing whoever feels like resisting.
I think the country would certainly be better off with a stronger executive. The only question in my mind is just how much stronger it needs to be.
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« Reply #158 on: April 16, 2017, 12:34:21 PM »


Open a new accession chapter? At least that's what Merkel probably wants.
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« Reply #159 on: April 16, 2017, 12:34:37 PM »


Freeze the accession process, that was de facto frozen anyway.

So nothing basically.
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« Reply #160 on: April 16, 2017, 12:35:09 PM »


we need to do nothing, if the death penalty comes back, this problem solves itself.
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« Reply #161 on: April 16, 2017, 12:35:17 PM »

Accession is basically dead now, perhaps forever.
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« Reply #162 on: April 16, 2017, 12:35:30 PM »

eu should build the wall
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« Reply #163 on: April 16, 2017, 12:36:16 PM »

Breaking: According to the Standard, the national turkish election agency said that only 70% of ballots have been counted.

wtf?
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« Reply #164 on: April 16, 2017, 12:36:23 PM »

Via the Standard.at live-ticker:

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"The National Election Commission has just announced that only 70% of precincts have been counted yet and not the more than 97% reported by newspapers and TV stations. The opposition parties CHP and HDP are speaking of irregularities and want to contest the referendum."
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« Reply #165 on: April 16, 2017, 12:38:29 PM »

Isn't there already a border fence with Turkey?
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« Reply #166 on: April 16, 2017, 12:39:30 PM »

zeit.de has a great explainer.

the numbers until now are more or less educated guesses, there are still many un-opened ballots in the cities.
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« Reply #167 on: April 16, 2017, 12:39:55 PM »

Greek Turks voted overwhelmingly no:

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« Reply #168 on: April 16, 2017, 12:40:57 PM »

Isn't there already a border fence with Turkey?

us - mexico also have border fence, but still gonna build that wall
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« Reply #169 on: April 16, 2017, 12:41:52 PM »

Via the Standard.at live-ticker:

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"The National Election Commission has just announced that only 70% of precincts have been counted yet and not the more than 97% reported by newspapers and TV stations. The opposition parties CHP and HDP are speaking of irregularities and want to contest the referendum."

Well 70% is most likely official certified results and 97% is most likely local counts that has been fed to the media.
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« Reply #170 on: April 16, 2017, 12:43:22 PM »

Isn't there already a border fence with Turkey?

us - mexico also have border fence, but still gonna build that wall
Well A) the whole border doesn't have a fence and B) building a wall is f**king stupid as hell.
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« Reply #171 on: April 16, 2017, 12:44:08 PM »

Isn't there already a border fence with Turkey?

us - mexico also have border fence, but still gonna build that wall
Golden Dawn agrees Tongue
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« Reply #172 on: April 16, 2017, 12:44:36 PM »

germany, austria, france, belgium and netherlands shoudn't have allowed that turks create parallel society in their countries
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« Reply #173 on: April 16, 2017, 12:46:12 PM »

The Yes vote share tracks AKP vote share Nov 2015 in non-Kurd areas. In Kurd areas Yes well over-performed the Nov 2015 AKP vote.  It seems this referendum was in the end won in the Kurd areas and the international vote.
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« Reply #174 on: April 16, 2017, 12:47:13 PM »

germany, austria, france, belgium and netherlands shoudn't have allowed that turks create parallel society in their countries

I think what you meant to say was that these countries allowed a vibrant culture to flourish and enrich the local one.
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