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Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself
omegascarlet
Junior Chimp
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« on: December 14, 2016, 09:18:07 AM »

Considering that trumps biggest base seems to be uneducated middle class whites (who aren't rich, but have enough money to vote trump based on racial resentment and/or muh Clinton "corruption").
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omegascarlet
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2016, 07:36:29 AM »

Do you have data?
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omegascarlet
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2016, 09:29:35 AM »

Non Swing Voter has assured me they voted 80% Trump and that affluent Whites backed Clinton.

New party system, and all.
Even you can't deny less affluent white voters supported Trump more strongly than the richer ones, though.

I didn't, but 1) Affluent ones STILL supported Trump, and this was the best chance for them to flip Dem since LBJ/Goldwater, and 2) that hardly signifies a new party system, especially when affluent Whites voted reliably Republican downballot.  I think this was a unique election; NSV not only thinks it's the stereotypical matchup going forward, he/she thinks the trends from this one election will continue to grow in a non-Clinton/Trump matchup, and I find that ridiculous.

How do you know that they vote "reliably republican" down ballot.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2016, 02:15:09 PM »

Non Swing Voter has assured me they voted 80% Trump and that affluent Whites backed Clinton.

New party system, and all.
Even you can't deny less affluent white voters supported Trump more strongly than the richer ones, though.

I didn't, but 1) Affluent ones STILL supported Trump, and this was the best chance for them to flip Dem since LBJ/Goldwater, and 2) that hardly signifies a new party system, especially when affluent Whites voted reliably Republican downballot.  I think this was a unique election; NSV not only thinks it's the stereotypical matchup going forward, he/she thinks the trends from this one election will continue to grow in a non-Clinton/Trump matchup, and I find that ridiculous.

How do you know that they vote "reliably republican" down ballot.

I don't "know," just like you don't REALLY "know" that Whites without a college degree (which, as mentioned before, is a terrible indicator of class, but whatever strokes the egos of our board Democrats!) voted for Trump.  Going off of the exit polls, House Republicans got 57% (to 41%) of the vote from voters earning $250,000 or more.  That was easily their best income bracket, and their performance got worse as you moved down to poorer voters (voters earning $30,000 or less voted the exact mirror image in favor of the Democrats ... there was quite literally an exact income correlation).  How did White voters vote within those strata?  I have no idea.  However, I have seen numerous things over the years saying that Whites tend to have higher incomes, and the "top 10%" is disproportionately White, so if nearly 60% of them voted Republican, it's a safe bet that Trump won a substantial majority of them ... and this was supposed to be the worst matchup ever for Republicans with this group (meaning, if Trump at the top of the ballot couldn't drag these House Republicans down with affluent voters, another Republican certainly wouldn't [in 2014, Republicans won the richest demographic with 57% of the vote, as well, and lost the lowest income bracket to the Democrats 39%-59%]).

Realignments tend to affect the presidency before other places. House popular vote doesn't take candidate quality, amount of unopposed seats, etc. into account. And the argument is about educated voters in general. uneducated business owners, farmers, etc. would count as $250000+ and would likely trend trump. Are the exit polls even reliable enough to determine this? Plus whether millionaires/billionaires trended may be very obscured.
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