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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2017, 12:13:22 PM »

Asians and hispanics are intermarrying with whites too quickly for there to be solidly white/minority blocs by mid-century.


What about the Blacks?

Some are, but they are a smallish sliver.
One thing that interesting in interacial couples- are the whites multiculturally liberal, or the minorities conservatives trying to intergenerationally climb?


A lot of Whites I know that are in interracial couplings tend to be more moderate and liberal than normal. Then again I'm a Filipino guy who has dated mostly White chicks, they weren't that political so I couldn't tell from my stance.
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« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2017, 08:43:06 PM »

This is the alt right's dream.

Prior to the 2016 election. Trumps victory, the rise of the alt right, etc. I would've laughed off OP's suggest. Now I'm starting to think we as a country might be heading in this direction.

It's hard to see such a thing happening "naturally," as in just a steady shift of support over a long period of time for no one reason. However, maybe if something happens that causes America to slide into a much more hostile era of racial division and numerous major incidences of domestic terrorism by minorities against whites occurs, I could see the potential at least.

Even then, though, I'm inclined to think Democrats would only slip to Georgia-level white support - like low 20s or something.
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« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2017, 09:22:12 PM »

Idk from 1992 to 2012, Asian Americans shifted 40 points to the democrats. Trump won with the lowest percentage of minority support in 40 years. Bush won 35% of Hispanics in 2000, Trump won roughly 29% if not lower. His victory didn't come from more diverse states like Nevada, Colorado, or Virginia. Hell he didn't even need Florida. It came from holding the traditional GOP firewall and breaking into the whitest lean blue/swing states of Ohio, Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. Although he didn't win New Hampshire.

Plus white millennials vote much more like their grandparents than their nonwhite peers.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/26/white-millennials-vote-a-lot-more-like-whites-than-like-millennials/

Sure, maybe whites could behave like that one day if they start thinking of themselves as a minority group and then start acting like it (other than what I detailed previously), but that will take a lot of pressures that they simply don't experience - even considering all those white conservatives who think whites are discriminated against now. Historically, white voters have not moved in support like this, and I don't see why they would now. This is really something I'd demand a very persuasive and detailed argument to convince me of. Otherwise, I'm inclined to believe similar voting habits will be followed.



White Millennials since 2008 have been markedly more Democratic though. Going by exit polls, in 2016, they voted 6% more than the national margin, and in 2012 it was 5% more. 43% - 44% may not sound like much, but Romney and Trump lost a sizable amount to third parties each time, suggesting that while Democrats may not have been an attractive alternative to those voters, neither were Republicans. That is not good news for the GOP. If Democrats cultivate an entire generation of 43% - 45% Democratic white voters, that will hurt Republicans a lot when you factor in non-whites. It doesn't take much to put a large dent in GOP prospects. With non-white population growth and the GOP making no inroads among them, they need to be pulling in larger margins among young whites than they are now among older whites, and that simply is not happening. Quite the opposite, actually.
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« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2017, 11:18:00 PM »

Trump could easily get 70% of the white vote in 2020. Maybe 75%

For that to happen, Trump would have to be just about the greatest president we've ever had. And by reflecting on the past two months, I don't think that will happen.

Trump narrowly won the white 18-29 vote and did better among 30-44. His best performance was with the white 45-64, where he received 62%, with a slight drop (58%) from those 65 and up.

58% of the total white vote.

I'd say 65% is the best he would do. And he would have to be a better-than-average president for that.

If he ends up truly terrible, maybe only 50%.
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« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2024, 03:28:05 AM »

Well, I guess this is not happening.
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« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2024, 12:43:36 PM »

Creating this thread might have been one of my worst takes ever
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« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2024, 08:07:43 AM »
« Edited: January 14, 2024, 08:15:53 AM by crazy jimmie »

Creating this thread might have been one of my worst takes ever

Oh, I was not trying to call you out on it. It is just an example how quickly politics can change.

Now, I do think the believe the media exaggerates the swing and trend among minorities to the GOP. The GOP will struggle to gain more than 40% of the Latino vote and 20% of the black vote. With exceptions of local races, scandalous democrats, etc.  Latinos as a whole in the United States support dem/liberal policies despite certain groups among them being SEVERELY conservative.  

As become more ideological polarized, the black vote will dissipate a bit for Democrats, but it was ALWAYS unrealistic to expect Democrats after OBAMA to do as well with blacks. Democrats do seem to take black priorities over Latino priorities, and a Mexican is vastly different from a Cuban.

If you compared today to 2004, Latinos vote for Democrat looks mostly good. Compared to 2012 and 2016, mostly bad.

The Latino community votes and will continue to vote Democrat over economic issues and their perception that the GOP is racist.  The >60% of Latinos will vote Democrat who agree with Democratic fiscal policies. Abortion, LGBT, etc are not really huge issues in their communities.

The other Latins who came from Cuba or other areas which caused them to fear "socialism" will vote mostly Republican. But it is not like either side is exactly totally by the book in partisan voting. There have been wildly swings on both sides over the past decae.

I used to believe that word policing would be a small factor in hurting Democrats with the Latino vote, but recently conservatives have also been word policing. so its more neutral now.


>80% of my friends and associates are black or latino.  No, I do not associate with illegals or undocumented.  All I can there may be a little more openness in the black community to the GOP, but it is going to be  a long long time before it goes above 20% GOP.

Also, with hindsight, Clinton ran a terrible campaign for WHITE democrats. Clinton 2016 had the worst combination of obviously conservative areas finding breaking the dam and fleeing to the GOP, and her running a campaign tailored against whites. She almost lost New Hampshire, and you can argue she could have well lost Colorado without PUSSYGATE.  People often forget that CO was closer than VA in 2016.  For both states, 2016 was likely the last time for a while that the GOP had a path in a competitive election, though obviously the GOP would get VA in a 1988 and maybe a 2008 gop redux.

In November this year, the chances of Biden winning the Electoral College and losing the popular vote are much more probable than you would believe.. while winning the WHITE vote in several states that was not even feasible in 2020 and before.

The people who support the most hard left policies in this country are WHITE.

But of course, things can and will change over the next decade.
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« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2024, 08:10:50 PM »

Creating this thread might have been one of my worst takes ever

Tbf wasn't this premise entirely speculative/hypothetical?
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