Which is morally worse, child molestation or bestiality?

[John Dibble]

For those who think that child molestation and animal molestation are equally bad, here's the organization for you: http://www.peta.org/

And if you really think that, you better be a vegetarian.

[minionofmidas]

Is the animal at least 18 years of age?

Just joking of course. I did vote pedophilia. Of course some of you have a different definition of pedophilia than I do.

[Emsworth]

In my personal system of morality, I believe that something is either moral or immoral. I do not distinguish actions as being "less immoral" or "more moral" than others.

[John Dibble]

In my personal system of morality, I believe that something is either moral or immoral. I do not distinguish actions as being "less immoral" or "more moral" than others.

So, in your system, stealing a candybar is equal to murder?

[Emsworth]

In my personal system of morality, I believe that something is either moral or immoral. I do not distinguish actions as being "less immoral" or "more moral" than others.

So, in your system, stealing a candybar is equal to murder?

I do not make moral judgments as far as the actions of other individuals are concerned. As far as I am concerned, however, the morality is not relative to the morality of another, but absolute. Something is either moral or not; it cannot be (for me) "less moral" than something else. Thus, theft and murder are both immoral.

That does not mean that they are "equal." I find murder more reprehensible than theft, even though both are immoral.

[minionofmidas]

In my personal system of morality, I believe that something is either moral or immoral. I do not distinguish actions as being "less immoral" or "more moral" than others.

So, in your system, stealing a candybar is equal to murder?

No. Stealing from the rich is not immoral.

[JohnFKennedy]

and yet another example of a Human Supremacist.

Jake is 100% right, and what's wrong with being a human supremacist?  Should we treat animals equally to humans?

Yes!!! what's wrong with that? If you dont agree, then we can reverse thair rights, so we can once more be able to experiment on "humans", feed off of them, sell them, etc.

So where do we draw the line? Does an amoeba have the same rights as a human? If I step on an ant should I be prosecuted for antslaughter?

[minionofmidas]

and yet another example of a Human Supremacist.

Jake is 100% right, and what's wrong with being a human supremacist?  Should we treat animals equally to humans?

Yes!!! what's wrong with that? If you dont agree, then we can reverse thair rights, so we can once more be able to experiment on "humans", feed off of them, sell them, etc.

So where do we draw the line? Does an amoeba have the same rights as a human? If I step on an ant should I be prosecuted for antslaughter?

Depends. If you did it on purpose it's murder.

[JohnFKennedy]

and yet another example of a Human Supremacist.

Jake is 100% right, and what's wrong with being a human supremacist?  Should we treat animals equally to humans?

Yes!!! what's wrong with that? If you dont agree, then we can reverse thair rights, so we can once more be able to experiment on "humans", feed off of them, sell them, etc.

So where do we draw the line? Does an amoeba have the same rights as a human? If I step on an ant should I be prosecuted for antslaughter?

Depends. If you did it on purpose it's murder.

Indeed, I was simply going on the assumption I did it accidentally.

How do you think we could call witnesses in court for this?

"For my first witness I call the wife of the deceased......"

[minionofmidas]

Now you're treading on flying ants? (Worker ants are female, you know. )

[JohnFKennedy]

Now you're treading on flying ants? (Worker ants are female, you know. )

I am assuming a scenario where gay marriage was legalised.

[John Dibble]

In my personal system of morality, I believe that something is either moral or immoral. I do not distinguish actions as being "less immoral" or "more moral" than others.

So, in your system, stealing a candybar is equal to murder?

No. Stealing from the rich is not immoral.

Well, I wasn't asking you, lol. And yes it is, but I never mentioned the rich - you could be stealing the candybar from a child or a gas station that is the owner's livelihood.

[Emsworth]

In my personal system of morality, I believe that something is either moral or immoral. I do not distinguish actions as being "less immoral" or "more moral" than others.

So, in your system, stealing a candybar is equal to murder?

No. Stealing from the rich is not immoral.

Well, I wasn't asking you, lol.

My reply is on the previous page, btw.

[John Dibble]

In my personal system of morality, I believe that something is either moral or immoral. I do not distinguish actions as being "less immoral" or "more moral" than others.

So, in your system, stealing a candybar is equal to murder?

No. Stealing from the rich is not immoral.

Well, I wasn't asking you, lol.

My reply is on the previous page, btw.

Yes, I saw it. I was just picking your brain. I don't really agree with your logic, but I suppose there's no arguing with it.

[Bono]

In my personal system of morality, I believe that something is either moral or immoral. I do not distinguish actions as being "less immoral" or "more moral" than others.

So, in your system, stealing a candybar is equal to murder?

No. Stealing from the rich is not immoral.

the catholic Church seems to agree with you.

[minionofmidas]

In my personal system of morality, I believe that something is either moral or immoral. I do not distinguish actions as being "less immoral" or "more moral" than others.

So, in your system, stealing a candybar is equal to murder?

No. Stealing from the rich is not immoral.

the catholic Church seems to agree with you.

That's what I took my cue from for that line.
It is not an accurate portrayal of either mine or the Catholic church's position, btw.

The Church's position is, of course, that the preservation of life is far more important than the preservation of the law, and that therefore those threatened by starvation may steal from those not threatened by starvation and not commit a grievous sin. Islam knows similar interpretations.

Mine is that taking from those already worse off than you is always morally reprehensible, whether technically legal or no; but taking - without violence - from those who have more than they need (and that pretty much includes everybody on this forum), while not necessarily good from an economics (as opposed to business) point of view, and when illegal bad from a point of view of democratic theory, is not as reprehensible.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

Obviously, the thing that hurts what is important. Comparing an animal  getting whatever beasters do to them done to it is nothing compared to the emotional, physical, and psychological effects on a human being.

Wow, a voice of sanity who places human beings above animals?!  Good job!

[John Dibble]

Obviously, the thing that hurts what is important. Comparing an animal  getting whatever beasters do to them done to it is nothing compared to the emotional, physical, and psychological effects on a human being.

Wow, a voice of sanity who places human beings above animals?!  Good job!

Yup, I'm glad I'm not the only sane one here.

[KillerPollo]

This is the best thread ever!

[John Dibble]

This is the best thread ever!

We've had better if memory serves. Stick around and you'll see just how much quality we can get.

"Would you have sex with a hot transvestite communist rebel who dressed like a man but had a sex change to be woman?" That's the next quality thread we'll have, to be sure.

[MissCatholic]

Both

[John Dibble]

Both

Both are the same, or both are wrong? The question is which is worse, not which is bad.

[minionofmidas]

Both are worse, she said. The question that remains is, worse than what?

[John Dibble]

Both are worse, she said. The question that remains is, worse than what?

Oh, in that case she meant worse than stealing a candybar.

[minionofmidas]

Both are worse, she said. The question that remains is, worse than what?

Oh, in that case she meant worse than stealing a candybar.

She's right!